Spardo we have different opinions on Brexit that is obvious but just a reminder that we did not vote for a deal soft or hard we voted to leave and that is what should occur end of, by the way were you here in Britain when that vote was taken and did you vote or were you already transferred to your adopted country that you appear to love more than the UK, Buzzer.
PS. What was your transfer fee or was it a freebie. 
Buzzer:
Spardo we have different opinions on Brexit that is obvious but just a reminder that we did not vote for a deal soft or hard we voted to leave and that is what should occur end of, by the way were you here in Britain when that vote was taken and did you vote or were you already transferred to your adopted country that you appear to love more than the UK, Buzzer.PS. What was your transfer fee or was it a freebie.
Why I wonder, do you think, did Johnson and his ERG colleagues repeatedly vote against Brexit when asked to by the May government?
Franglais:
Why I wonder, do you think, did Johnson and his ERG colleagues repeatedly vote against Brexit when asked to by the May government?
Because they are ideologically Federalist Conservatives.Everything else is an act and a charade to wrong foot the Leave vote while sabotaging Brexit.Because Cameron didnât get the result he was expecting to seal us into Lisbon and say that heâd got a credible vote to do it.Which leaves the question exactly what was/is Farageâs game.Itâs the definition of naivety to think that the Party that took us into the EU now intends to take us out of it.
Spardo:
Geoffo:
This whole saga is better than watching Eastenders.Way better then EE Geoffo, I banned that years ago, but watching all the wringing of hands here is addictive. [emoji38]
Franglais:
On principle I think referendums are a bad idea in our representative form of government, but since a badly planned referendum for us here, maybe we need another to get us out of this mess?I agree entirely and have said so since Cameron first promised one, so I can hardly espouse yet another, but if it is the only way to go, then so be it. But a GE with at least 3 parties standing on a platform of revoke is as much democracy as we are likely to get in the UK these days.
Buzzer:
âŚit is obvious that we need a general election now as the Conservatives have no majority as it stands and Boris asked for this but was rejected but when TM did the same it was granted, how come ?Since you have asked the question Buzzer, it is denied at the moment because the whole opposition does not trust the liar Johnson not to break the law and take the country out of the EU without a deal. After the 31st of October and that danger is past, a GE is the way to go. Nothing to do with being cowardly or frightened, simply a matter of lack of trust.
Mrs. May was allowed a GE because she was negotiating a deal, not working towards a deadline looming of no deal.
The potential trouble with a quick election is that any point on this one issue can be diluted amongst many parties. With our First Past The Post system we could have a single issue party taking seats against the majorityâs wishes.
They is why we do, in this awful mess, now need another referendum.
I wish it was otherwise, butâŚ
Franglais so we have another referendum and the result is still to leave what happens when democracy goes out the window again and selective remainers take it to court yet again and we go through the same process all over again, but of course if the pendulum swings the other way we would not be allowed a challenge the like of which we have now to reverse the decision because as it stands it is decided by MPâs with the help of the courts and not the electorate who had the original majority, we are having that stolen away from us, make no mistake there are lots of angry Brexiteers within these shores and one day we will get revenge, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Franglais so we have another referendum and the result is still to leave what happens when democracy goes out the window again and selective remainers take it to court yet again and we go through the same process all over again, but of course if the pendulum swings the other way we would not be allowed a challenge the like of which we have now to reverse the decision because as it stands it is decided by MPâs with the help of the courts and not the electorate who had the original majority, we are having that stolen away from us, make no mistake there are lots of angry Brexiteers within these shores and one day we will get revenge, Buzzer.
What Iâm saying, is that it was badly thought out referendum, and a very complicated issue was reduced to a âYes/Noâ vote.
And remember when Cameron resigned and May took over? The repeated phrase âBrexit means Brexitâ? We are still arguing over what that means!
BRINO, or a poor deal, or a good deal, or a Hard Brexit, or WTF?
If the vote is to leave with âNo Dealâ that seems pretty clear⌠yes mate, even to me. [emoji5]
If the vote is to stay whatever, that is clear, too.
But we are now in a position where we have had a vote based on (now obvious) lies and fantasies.
If the UK voters want to go down a road that wasnât spoken of in 2015*, so be it. But letâs not pretend that anyone was talking of this present situation 4 or 3 years back when this vote was taken.
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Unfortunately corruption is prevalent in most governing bodies and that is true here as well as the EU, the referendum was In Cameronâs eyeâs was never going to go the way it did and he just walked away when the result was apparent, then we had May which I think was a mistake they should have let Boris in then as IMHO we would have come out by now we needed a leaver in that post not a remainer.
This whole Brexit saga has cost an absolute fortune and the money could have been better placed back here where it is needed more in the NHS and other essential services, where eventually it all ends who knows as every day something which all thought would never happen does.
The net result is that it splits the electorate and the nation which is not a good thing at all, harmony is a far better policy. I am not in favour of any extension to Brexit as I think it is the general opinion of the country we have had enough and want it settled, also I think it will come eventually and the voters will take there revenge when we do have the inevitable general election that will surely come soon, just hoping that the ones who voted to leave make there presence felt through the ballot box and do vote even though in there hearts they may feel it is not worth it as there opinion does not seem to count in some quarters, but there does not seem to be any certainty right now and anything could and can happen and nothing surprises any more, Buzzer.
Franglais:
The potential trouble with a quick election is that any point on this one issue can be diluted amongst many parties. With our First Past The Post system we could have a single issue party taking seats against the majorityâs wishes.
They is why we do, in this awful mess, now need another referendum.
I wish it was otherwise, butâŚ
Typical EU MO.Wrong result vote again until you get the right result.Zb your vote.Handing over the country to a foreign power and mandate was never a matter for a vote or even up for discussion.This needs sorting by the forces and it needs sorting quick.Unless of course the forces and their Commander in Chief are on the side of the EU.( Likely ).In which case any vote on the matter isnât going to matter anyway.As shown by the âfirstâ vote which went the wrong way for the establishment.
Franglais:
And remember when Cameron resigned and May took over? The repeated phrase âBrexit means Brexitâ? We are still arguing over what that means
No itâs only the EU Federalists like you who are âarguingâ about what that âmeansâ with the clear intention of subverting the process of leaving the EU and in doing so ignoring the referendum decision.They know that the EU canât possibly provide any âdealâ which would allow us any other status than that of any other non EU country âifâ Brexit is to mean Brexit in the form of no further EU rule to apply here.
The basic fact is that Federalists are just traitorous scum who destroy Nations one way or another.The Nations forces and its Head of State having not covered themselves in glory in not nipping this zb in the bud in this case.Probably setting the country on a similar course as that of the former Yugoslavia sooner or later.
Buzzer:
Unfortunately corruption is prevalent in most governing bodies and that is true here as well as the EU, the referendum was In Cameronâs eyeâs was never going to go the way it did and he just walked away when the result was apparent, then we had May which I think was a mistake they should have let Boris in then as IMHO we would have come out by now we needed a leaver in that post not a remainer.
This whole Brexit saga has cost an absolute fortune and the money could have been better placed back here where it is needed more in the NHS and other essential services, where eventually it all ends who knows as every day something which all thought would never happen does.
The net result is that it splits the electorate and the nation which is not a good thing at all, harmony is a far better policy. I am not in favour of any extension to Brexit as I think it is the general opinion of the country we have had enough and want it settled, also I think it will come eventually and the voters will take there revenge when we do have the inevitable general election that will surely come soon, just hoping that the ones who voted to leave make there presence felt through the ballot box and do vote even though in there hearts they may feel it is not worth it as there opinion does not seem to count in some quarters, but there does not seem to be any certainty right now and anything could and can happen and nothing surprises any more, Buzzer.
The idea of BoJo and the Tories in general,being in charge of secession from the EU,as an ideologically Federalist Party and having taken us into it,is a joke.
Buzzer:
Unfortunately corruption is prevalent in most governing bodies and that is true here as well as the EU, the referendum was In Cameronâs eyeâs was never going to go the way it did and he just walked away when the result was apparent, then we had May which I think was a mistake they should have let Boris in then as IMHO we would have come out by now we needed a leaver in that post not a remainer.
This whole Brexit saga has cost an absolute fortune and the money could have been better placed back here where it is needed more in the NHS and other essential services, where eventually it all ends who knows as every day something which all thought would never happen does.
The net result is that it splits the electorate and the nation which is not a good thing at all, harmony is a far better policy. I am not in favour of any extension to Brexit as I think it is the general opinion of the country we have had enough and want it settled, also I think it will come eventually and the voters will take there revenge when we do have the inevitable general election that will surely come soon, just hoping that the ones who voted to leave make there presence felt through the ballot box and do vote even though in there hearts they may feel it is not worth it as there opinion does not seem to count in some quarters, but there does not seem to be any certainty right now and anything could and can happen and nothing surprises any more, Buzzer.
I agree with you that corruption is probably present in all large bodies, but doubt itâs prevalent. I donât think anyone has shown that we would have less corruption after Brexit?
The best way to get more monies into the NHS is by more equitable taxation, and not giving tax breaks to the richest. A wealthy country, (you know, one that successfully trades with others, not an isolated North Korea) could have better facilities.
I just hope if it comes to a General Election, before any possible referendum, that voters look at what the Brexit Party say on the NHS etc.
And I also agree that the split we have now in the country is truly awful to see.
As an example of what I suggesting earlier about another referendum:
A two part ballot, on one paper.
Part 1
Do you want the UK to leave the EU?
Yes/No.
Part 2
If 50% vote yes to the above we will leave.
Do you want the deal offered or to leave with no deal?
Deal/No Deal
That avoids the unfairness of splitting the âBrexitâ vote with a 3 day choice as follows:
You get one vote.
Stay
Accept Deal
No Deal Exit
In that case well over 50% could want out but be defeated by a minority wishing to stay in.
Iâm all for remaining, and think itâs best for the country as a whole, but donât want to cheat to achieve that.
And all of this could be irrelevant depending on how fed-up with us the EU becomes. After all even if any new government asks for an extension it canât be assumed itâll be given. Although we are all pointing fingers at Westminster they are not the only ones in the room. We canât dictate a timetable to suit our failing system and expect others to pay the price.
I managed to catch a small section of the commons last night and Corbyn was up ranting and raving , then Boris stood up and went through each point that Jeremy had made until it came to a point on a general election , he made a point that JC wants an election but he is being gagged by his own party , JCs face was like thunder . I also heard a good speach from the Attourney General who described the opposition very accurately.
The Attorney Generalâs speech in full. Something the BBC is editing because the mention of blocking the will of the electorate does not meet the guidelines of Common Purpose, which it, like Robert Peston on ITN, is so careful to follow.
youtube.com/watch?v=zy9_2vN_6Z4
Wikileaks on Common Purpose: wikileaks.org/wiki/Common_purpose
The most relevant sections to the topic in questionfollow:
âCommon Purpose is identifying leaders in all levels of our government to assume power when our nation is replaced by the European Union, in what they call âthe post democratic society.â They are learning to rule without regard to democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of us⌠Treason, subversion and deceit at work with a Common Purpose to destroy the UK and establish the EUsoviet⌠The EU plan has been very simple and very clever. First set up via the traitors within UK national government the Regional Development Agencies. These were designed to be smooth as silk and sweet as honey â to do all things good e.g. regeneration, helping communities, helping business, innovation, entrepreneurship etc etc. Next load the honey trap with large amounts of money so that people, organisations are attracted to the â â â â â â â â â . As more people are attracted, increase the powers of the RDAs to include planning powers and input. Make it compulsory for City Councils, County Councils and District Councils to consult them, and then their power increases further. And with planning powers they can get their organisational snouts into virtually every walk of life.â
Following on from this in the Commons we got much weeping and wailing about Joe Cox as the MPs wake up to how much they are detested by the general public.
IMHO the Attorney General was right on point and forceful with his speech where was he at the beginning of this process and as I said before Boris should have been PM when Cameron walked out. Corbin and Labour are so divided as he is so indecisive and as for the Lib Dems there new leader Swinson is trying to shop in Harrodâs when she ought to be in the pound shop. Brexit should be like the hanging laws of years ago, get the result and carry the sentence out then Brexit would have been done three years ago and we will all have moved on, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
IMHO the Attorney General was right on point and forceful with his speech where was he at the beginning of this process and as I said before Boris should have been PM when Cameron walked out. Corbin and Labour are so divided as he is so indecisive and as for the Lib Dems there new leader Swinson is trying to shop in Harrodâs when she ought to be in the pound shop. Brexit should be like the hanging laws of years ago, get the result and carry the sentence out then Brexit would have been done three years ago and we will all have moved on, Buzzer.
Either the Attorney General gave good advice, which Johnson didnât follow, or he gave bad advice which 11 put of 11 Supreme Court judges have corrected him on.
Him shrugging his shoulders and saying âSome you win, some you looseâ, didnât cut the mustard for me.
Shouting and finger pointing at anyone else doesnât excuse his actions or errors, does it?
Franglais:
Buzzer:
IMHO the Attorney General was right on point and forceful with his speech where was he at the beginning of this process and as I said before Boris should have been PM when Cameron walked out. Corbin and Labour are so divided as he is so indecisive and as for the Lib Dems there new leader Swinson is trying to shop in Harrodâs when she ought to be in the pound shop. Brexit should be like the hanging laws of years ago, get the result and carry the sentence out then Brexit would have been done three years ago and we will all have moved on, Buzzer.Either the Attorney General gave good advice, which Johnson didnât follow, or he gave bad advice which 11 put of 11 Supreme Court judges have corrected him on.
Him shrugging his shoulders and saying âSome you win, some you looseâ, didnât cut the mustard for me.
Shouting and finger pointing at anyone else doesnât excuse his actions or errors, does it?
I watched it from the start and he began very gently, answered questions politely and with humour. An impressive man with an impressive voice. But then he lost it, admittedly in answer to an angry attack by his opposite number, but he then became more and more insulting and ridiculous. His jibes at the opposition for not wanting an immediate election were beyond the pale and he should have been chastised by the speaker, especially as, intelligent man that he is, he must know their refusal has nothing to do with cowardice but a simple mistrust of the word of the man he serves. Johnson is a proven and habitual liar and there is no way the opposition will risk him breaking the law against a no deal Brexit by allowing him the chance to do so.
And to Buzzer, like your hero above, you start off reasonable in your reply to my last intervention and then slide into sneer and insult. No surprise there, but I will answer you nevertheless although it has been said before and is no secret. I was not in England on referendum day and I did not vote because, as a British citizen, alone as we are amongst the expatriate inhabitants of Europe, I am a 2nd class citizen and not allowed to.
cav551:
The Attorney Generalâs speech in full. Something the BBC is editing because the mention of blocking the will of the electorate does not meet the guidelines of Common Purpose, which it, like Robert Peston on ITN, is so careful to follow.youtube.com/watch?v=zy9_2vN_6Z4
Wikileaks on Common Purpose: wikileaks.org/wiki/Common_purpose
The most relevant sections to the topic in questionfollow:
âCommon Purpose is identifying leaders in all levels of our government to assume power when our nation is replaced by the European Union, in what they call âthe post democratic society.â They are learning to rule without regard to democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of us⌠Treason, subversion and deceit at work with a Common Purpose to destroy the UK and establish the EUsoviet⌠The EU plan has been very simple and very clever. First set up via the traitors within UK national government the Regional Development Agencies. These were designed to be smooth as silk and sweet as honey â to do all things good e.g. regeneration, helping communities, helping business, innovation, entrepreneurship etc etc. Next load the honey trap with large amounts of money so that people, organisations are attracted to the â â â â â â â â â . As more people are attracted, increase the powers of the RDAs to include planning powers and input. Make it compulsory for City Councils, County Councils and District Councils to consult them, and then their power increases further. And with planning powers they can get their organisational snouts into virtually every walk of life.â
Following on from this in the Commons we got much weeping and wailing about Joe Cox as the MPs wake up to how much they are detested by the general public.
Donât see anything there about the Queen signing us up to the European Communities Act in the face of FCO 30/1048.The fact is we canât trust any of them including the âattorneyâ.This goes way further than a bunch of Bolshevik useful idiots and the whole thing is a Machiavellian agenda at least involving Lincolnâs US Federalism allied with Bismarkâs German version to create a 4th Reich across Europe.My guess is either it then much later goes the way of all the other attempts at same from Rome to Yugoslavia with varying outcomes from the US one to the Yugoslav one.Or sooner the Kraut zbwits wonât be able to resist the unfinished business and payback in going for Russia when they have the perceived strength of an EU army to call on.
Spardo:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
IMHO the Attorney General was right on point and forceful with his speech where was he at the beginning of this process and as I said before Boris should have been PM when Cameron walked out. Corbin and Labour are so divided as he is so indecisive and as for the Lib Dems there new leader Swinson is trying to shop in Harrodâs when she ought to be in the pound shop. Brexit should be like the hanging laws of years ago, get the result and carry the sentence out then Brexit would have been done three years ago and we will all have moved on, Buzzer.Either the Attorney General gave good advice, which Johnson didnât follow, or he gave bad advice which 11 put of 11 Supreme Court judges have corrected him on.
Him shrugging his shoulders and saying âSome you win, some you looseâ, didnât cut the mustard for me.
Shouting and finger pointing at anyone else doesnât excuse his actions or errors, does it?I watched it from the start and he began very gently, answered questions politely and with humour. An impressive man with an impressive voice. But then he lost it, admittedly in answer to an angry attack by his opposite number, but he then became more and more insulting and ridiculous. His jibes at the opposition for not wanting an immediate election were beyond the pale and he should have been chastised by the speaker, especially as, intelligent man that he is, he must know their refusal has nothing to do with cowardice but a simple mistrust of the word of the man he serves. Johnson is a proven and habitual liar and there is no way the opposition will risk him breaking the law against a no deal Brexit by allowing him the chance to do so.
And to Buzzer, like your hero above, you start off reasonable in your reply to my last intervention and then slide into sneer and insult. No surprise there, but I will answer you nevertheless although it has been said before and is no secret. I was not in England on referendum day and I did not vote because, as a British citizen, alone as we are amongst the expatriate inhabitants of Europe, I am a 2nd class citizen and not allowed to.
Boris Johnson a proven and habitual liar ? whereas the opposition are representing the good of the country ,nothing else , no hidden agenda , no sabbotaging tactics for. gods sake the opposition and some of his own party have shown their true colours when it might hit them in their own pocket god forbid.
Another revelatlon last night was not only do the Labour party want a 32 hour week ffs but they also want to relax immigration laws in the EU so we can let more in .Have we learnt anything in the last 50 years
Good afternoon all,
The Supreme court all bar one of them is a member of the Labour party.
2 got thier jobs from Blair.
3 work part time for the EU.
2 are Judges at the EU courts in the Hague.
judiciary.uk/wp-content/upl ⌠l_2013.pdf
Interesting. Harvey
