ramone:
MPs in parliment are voting for the good of their selves not the good of the country but if and when there’s a general election lets hope the MPs who want to remain promote that .Like i’ve said before Labour = Remain
Lib Dems = Remain
Tories = Leave.
Then throw Farage into the equation.
Just a thought if there’s a 4 million majority will we have to go through all this again because its not enough , some aren’t old enough to vote yet , some haven’t been born yet and the ones who didn’t vote might not like the result either
Many MPs are voting against their party and are being de-selected, they are knowingly doing themselves out of their jobs. It’s unjust to say they are behaving from self interest in those cases.
Franglais:
[You’ve got that arse about face I think.
The MPs are Parliament, they haven’t “hi-jacked it”. If anyone is attempting to thwart Parliament it is Johnson and his minority Government.
I know you don’t agree with what Parliament wants, but Johnson is trying to bypass it.
Spare us this remainer zb.Johnson is just another one of your remainer stooges carrying on with May’s diversionary act of running with the fox and the hounds.‘Parliament’ passed the referendum act which by implication meant that it would have been bound by the result but which we know was just a one sided rigged remain scam.In this case parliament now having no credibility whatsoever because it’s just a Vichy style puppet acting in the interests of a foreign power ( German led 4th Reich ).So it’s actually more a case of no longer ‘recognising’ parliament’s authority,not just ‘disagreeing’ with it,because it isn’t ‘parliament’ as we know the term it’s just a quisling bunch of traitors acting for a foreign power.The same could arguably be said about the Head of State who is also compromised since going along with it since 1972.
You EU Federalist traitors have no idea of the level of the zb storm you’ve kicked off here.To the point where the country,at least those of us who don’t recognise it as a 4th Reich vassal state,has every right to despise its Head of State and its government and its military all having been compromised.
ramone:
MPs in parliment are voting for the good of their selves not the good of the country but if and when there’s a general election lets hope the MPs who want to remain promote that .Like i’ve said before Labour = Remain
Lib Dems = Remain
Tories = Leave.
Then throw Farage into the equation.
Just a thought if there’s a 4 million majority will we have to go through all this again because its not enough , some aren’t old enough to vote yet , some haven’t been born yet and the ones who didn’t vote might not like the result either
Many MPs are voting against their party and are being de-selected, they are knowingly doing themselves out of their jobs. It’s unjust to say they are behaving from self interest in those cases.
They are voting against the will of the people or brexit, whichever you prefer or in the case of Labour they have left quite rightly due to antisemitism or Corbyn
Franglais:
As you (almost) say, we have a representative form of government, not one based on referendums.
So why did parliament vote as a majority for the referendum act and why were the Remain side happy to go along with that,until they lost it then suddenly it supposedly didn’t count.Are you seriously suggesting that the lying Federalist scum would have agreed with that if they’d won it ?.When everything is just a diversion from the fact that no one has the right to vote a recognised sovereign state out of existence and into German run 4th Reich vassalage.
Franglais:
Many MPs are voting against their party and are being de-selected, they are knowingly doing themselves out of their jobs. It’s unjust to say they are behaving from self interest in those cases.
They are knowingly voting against their mandate and in contradiction with Parliament’s vote to abide by a referendum decision,not their Party,there is a difference.Although we can obviously take the Tory Party ‘deselections’ as just another piece of Remainer diversionary theatre in that regard.Make no mistake this is the same establishment agenda which took us into the EEC in 1973 while hiding FCO 30/1048 to do it.
Franglais:
As you (almost) say, we have a representative form of government, not one based on referendums.
So why did parliament vote as a majority for the referendum act and why were the Remain side happy to go along with that,until they lost it then suddenly it supposedly didn’t count.Are you seriously suggesting that the lying Federalist scum would have agreed with that if they’d won it ?.When everything is just a diversion from the fact that no one has the right to vote a recognised sovereign state out of existence and into German run 4th Reich vassalage.
The referendum was part of the manifesto of the Cameron Gov wasn’t it?
So it was pretty much guaranteed passage, in spite of the hundreds of MPs who didn’t vote for it.
ramone:
MPs in parliment are voting for the good of their selves not the good of the country but if and when there’s a general election lets hope the MPs who want to remain promote that .Like i’ve said before Labour = Remain
Lib Dems = Remain
Tories = Leave.
Then throw Farage into the equation.
Just a thought if there’s a 4 million majority will we have to go through all this again because its not enough , some aren’t old enough to vote yet , some haven’t been born yet and the ones who didn’t vote might not like the result either
Many MPs are voting against their party and are being de-selected, they are knowingly doing themselves out of their jobs. It’s unjust to say they are behaving from self interest in those cases.
Quite the contrary they should be towing the party line and having the whip removed from themselves is there decision and there’s only, they were told this before they took action and fully knew the consequences of those actions. Now lets be serious as if Brexit is not delivered by the Conservatives they are finished, obviously they are being majorly hampered by opposition led mainly by Labour but they are also mega divided on the issue of Brexit just wait till there party conference and sit back and watch the fireworks.
Corbin is not suitable to be PM and run this country but if they had a more credible leader then they could have half a chance. Corbin has been calling for an general election for over two years and has been offered one by Boris but is now running away from the idea as he fears he would not win.
To my mind there are far too many MP’s it would be far better with about fifty and a hell of a lot less expensive plus they might even to agree on decisions a lot more quickly, on another note a lot of our MP’s don’t need there salaries as they have private wealth far exceeding most of us minions, Buzzer.
Franglais:
The referendum was part of the manifesto of the Cameron Gov wasn’t it?
So it was pretty much guaranteed passage, in spite of the hundreds of MPs who didn’t vote for it.
It was 544 in favour and 53 against.More Federalist lies no surprise there.So why would remainers who are now saying that the referendum wasn’t good enough have conveniently been so keen then ?.
Carryfast:
So why did parliament vote as a majority for the referendum act and why were the Remain side happy to go along with that,until they lost it then suddenly it supposedly didn’t count.Are you seriously suggesting that the lying Federalist scum would have agreed with that if they’d won it ?.When everything is just a diversion from the fact that no one has the right to vote a recognised sovereign state out of existence and into German run 4th Reich vassalage.
There’s something about federalism and the Germans you’re not too happy about. Can’t quite put my finger on it . . .
Buzzer:
Quite the contrary they should be towing the party line and having the whip removed from themselves is there decision and there’s only, they were told this before they took action and fully knew the consequences of those actions. Now lets be serious as if Brexit is not delivered by the Conservatives they are finished, obviously they are being majorly hampered by opposition led mainly by Labour but they are also mega divided on the issue of Brexit just wait till there party conference and sit back and watch the fireworks.
Corbin is not suitable to be PM and run this country but if they had a more credible leader then they could have half a chance. Corbin has been calling for an general election for over two years and has been offered one by Boris but is now running away from the idea as he fears he would not win.
To my mind there are far too many MP’s it would be far better with about fifty and a hell of a lot less expensive plus they might even to agree on decisions a lot more quickly, on another note a lot of our MP’s don’t need there salaries as they have private wealth far exceeding most of us minions, Buzzer.
Aye, I agree with you there Buzzer. They should be towing the party line. It’s their job. They’re drawing a wage as an MP, and they’ve stood on a Tory/Labour/Whatever Party ticket and, with the backing of whatever party they represent they got elected. However rich they were before becoming an MP is irrelevant. They were elected to represent their constituency.
But then again, some of them actually have a conscience and they want what’s best for the country, or what they believe is best for the country.
I don’t envy them. I honestly believe they’ve got a tough decision to make. The people in their constituency want Leave and the elected MP wants Remain (or vice versa).
So, do they put the Party (and their jobs) first? Or do they do what they think is best for the country? It doesn’t matter if they’re Leave or Remain, the people they represent expect them to step up and deliver what was promised, (or in the case of Brexit what they voted for), which would mean for some MP’s trying to deliver something they don’t believe in.
You can boil it down to ‘Just do your job, we elected you to act on our behalf’. Which, I suppose makes sense.
MP’s (in my opinion) have been rather spoiled over the years. Tax levels, Defence spending, NHS budgets . . .Just go with the manifesto.
With Brexit they’ve got a big decision on their hands. Even you, Buzzer, has to admit there have been very few issues that have divided the UK as much as Brexit. 52%-48% is hardly overwhelming.
What an absolute mess (there’s a swear filter on here, I tried to be more forceful) the Tory’s have made of it.
And you’re right, Corbyn is no credible alternative.
Buzzer:
Quite the contrary they should be towing the party line and having the whip removed from themselves is there decision and there’s only, they were told this before they took action and fully knew the consequences of those actions. Now lets be serious as if Brexit is not delivered by the Conservatives they are finished, obviously they are being majorly hampered by opposition led mainly by Labour but they are also mega divided on the issue of Brexit just wait till there party conference and sit back and watch the fireworks.
Corbin is not suitable to be PM and run this country but if they had a more credible leader then they could have half a chance. Corbin has been calling for an general election for over two years and has been offered one by Boris but is now running away from the idea as he fears he would not win.
To my mind there are far too many MP’s it would be far better with about fifty and a hell of a lot less expensive plus they might even to agree on decisions a lot more quickly, on another note a lot of our MP’s don’t need there salaries as they have private wealth far exceeding most of us minions, Buzzer.
Aye, I agree with you there Buzzer. They should be towing the party line. It’s their job. They’re drawing a wage as an MP, and they’ve stood on a Tory/Labour/Whatever Party ticket and, with the backing of whatever party they represent they got elected. However rich they were before becoming an MP is irrelevant. They were elected to represent their constituency.
But then again, some of them actually have a conscience and they want what’s best for the country, or what they believe is best for the country.
I don’t envy them. I honestly believe they’ve got a tough decision to make. The people in their constituency want Leave and the elected MP wants Remain (or vice versa).
So, do they put the Party (and their jobs) first? Or do they do what they think is best for the country? It doesn’t matter if they’re Leave or Remain, the people they represent expect them to step up and deliver what was promised, (or in the case of Brexit what they voted for), which would mean for some MP’s trying to deliver something they don’t believe in.
You can boil it down to ‘Just do your job, we elected you to act on our behalf’. Which, I suppose makes sense.
MP’s (in my opinion) have been rather spoiled over the years. Tax levels, Defence spending, NHS budgets . . .Just go with the manifesto.
With Brexit they’ve got a big decision on their hands. Even you, Buzzer, has to admit there have been very few issues that have divided the UK as much as Brexit. 52%-48% is hardly overwhelming.
What an absolute mess (there’s a swear filter on here, I tried to be more forceful) the Tory’s have made of it.
And you’re right, Corbyn is no credible alternative.
Just one small point if the result of the referendum was remain 52% to 48% make no mistake it would have been monumental they just did not expect the result they got and had it been that way we certainly would not be into the fourth year discussing if it was the right decision it would have been carry on in the corrupt EU as usuall, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Just one small point if the result of the referendum was remain 52% to 48% make no mistake it would have been monumental they just did not expect the result they got and had it been that way we certainly would not be into the fourth year discussing if it was the right decision it would have been carry on in the corrupt EU as usuall, Buzzer.
It would not be a wild stretch of the imagination to conclude that in those circumstances ultimately we would have membership of any leave-promoting organisation proscribed.
Buzzer:
Quite the contrary they should be towing the party line and having the whip removed from themselves is there decision and there’s only, they were told this before they took action and fully knew the consequences of those actions. Now lets be serious as if Brexit is not delivered by the Conservatives they are finished, obviously they are being majorly hampered by opposition led mainly by Labour but they are also mega divided on the issue of Brexit just wait till there party conference and sit back and watch the fireworks.
Corbin is not suitable to be PM and run this country but if they had a more credible leader then they could have half a chance. Corbin has been calling for an general election for over two years and has been offered one by Boris but is now running away from the idea as he fears he would not win.
To my mind there are far too many MP’s it would be far better with about fifty and a hell of a lot less expensive plus they might even to agree on decisions a lot more quickly, on another note a lot of our MP’s don’t need there salaries as they have private wealth far exceeding most of us minions, Buzzer.
Aye, I agree with you there Buzzer. They should be towing the party line. It’s their job. They’re drawing a wage as an MP, and they’ve stood on a Tory/Labour/Whatever Party ticket and, with the backing of whatever party they represent they got elected. However rich they were before becoming an MP is irrelevant. They were elected to represent their constituency.
But then again, some of them actually have a conscience and they want what’s best for the country, or what they believe is best for the country.
I don’t envy them. I honestly believe they’ve got a tough decision to make. The people in their constituency want Leave and the elected MP wants Remain (or vice versa).
So, do they put the Party (and their jobs) first? Or do they do what they think is best for the country? It doesn’t matter if they’re Leave or Remain, the people they represent expect them to step up and deliver what was promised, (or in the case of Brexit what they voted for), which would mean for some MP’s trying to deliver something they don’t believe in.
You can boil it down to ‘Just do your job, we elected you to act on our behalf’. Which, I suppose makes sense.
MP’s (in my opinion) have been rather spoiled over the years. Tax levels, Defence spending, NHS budgets . . .Just go with the manifesto.
With Brexit they’ve got a big decision on their hands. Even you, Buzzer, has to admit there have been very few issues that have divided the UK as much as Brexit. 52%-48% is hardly overwhelming.
What an absolute mess (there’s a swear filter on here, I tried to be more forceful) the Tory’s have made of it.
And you’re right, Corbyn is no credible alternative.
Just one small point if the result of the referendum was remain 52% to 48% make no mistake it would have been monumental they just did not expect the result they got and had it been that way we certainly would not be into the fourth year discussing if it was the right decision it would have been carry on in the corrupt EU as usuall, Buzzer.
A valid point that MPs have a difficult decision to make if they disagree with their constituents. But firstly don’t those people contribute to MPs wages and secondly how many times have you had instructions from your boss you disagree with , there’s only one winner there. I’ve seen Cameron slated on here from both sides but he gave us the vote then openly admitted he could no longer be prime minister , he didn’t do a May and pretend to want to leave May should never have been elected it should have gone to a leaver.
ramone:
A valid point that MPs have a difficult decision to make if they disagree with their constituents. But firstly don’t those people contribute to MPs wages and secondly how many times have you had instructions from your boss you disagree with , there’s only one winner there. I’ve seen Cameron slated on here from both sides but he gave us the vote then openly admitted he could no longer be prime minister , he didn’t do a May and pretend to want to leave May should never have been elected it should have gone to a leaver.
It’s got nothing to do with ‘not agreeing with their constituents’.MP’s voted 544/53 to settle this with a referendum.Then they conveniently decided that a referendum wasn’t good enough when they didn’t get the result they wanted probably because the leave votes were piling up quicker than they could miscount/destroy/lose them.It’s clear that had that not been the case there was no need for any bs ‘withdrawal act’ let alone one with the laughable German imposed terms within it and now the latest surrender document put with it.We would/should have been out within 2 years of the vote just using the article 50 process alone and preferably even by passed that.
The whole thing has been a massive conspiracy of the aims of US and German Federalism combined and imposed on Europe including our bent compromised Head of State who’s in it up to her neck.As for the Cons no they were always the last corrupt bunch of,complicit,lying,quisling scum who would have ever done what’s best for the country. Labour coming far closer in that aim in the form of Shore,Benn,Heffer and recently Hoey.All conveniently kept well away from power by the bent establishment.
Franglais:
The referendum was part of the manifesto of the Cameron Gov wasn’t it?
So it was pretty much guaranteed passage, in spite of the hundreds of MPs who didn’t vote for it.
It was 544 in favour and 53 against.More Federalist lies no surprise there.So why would remainers who are now saying that the referendum wasn’t good enough have conveniently been so keen then ?.
NO.
Hansard 7th Sept 2015, division 61 shows:
316 Aye
53 No.
277 Absent.
So, as I said, hundreds did not vote in favour of the referendum.
ramone:
MPs in parliment are voting for the good of their selves not the good of the country but if and when there’s a general election lets hope the MPs who want to remain promote that .Like i’ve said before Labour = Remain
Lib Dems = Remain
Tories = Leave.
Then throw Farage into the equation.
Just a thought if there’s a 4 million majority will we have to go through all this again because its not enough , some aren’t old enough to vote yet , some haven’t been born yet and the ones who didn’t vote might not like the result either
Many MPs are voting against their party and are being de-selected, they are knowingly doing themselves out of their jobs. It’s unjust to say they are behaving from self interest in those cases.
Quite the contrary they should be towing the party line and having the whip removed from themselves is there decision and there’s only, they were told this before they took action and fully knew the consequences of those actions. Now lets be serious as if Brexit is not delivered by the Conservatives they are finished, obviously they are being majorly hampered by opposition led mainly by Labour but they are also mega divided on the issue of Brexit just wait till there party conference and sit back and watch the fireworks.
Corbin is not suitable to be PM and run this country but if they had a more credible leader then they could have half a chance. Corbin has been calling for an general election for over two years and has been offered one by Boris but is now running away from the idea as he fears he would not win.
To my mind there are far too many MP’s it would be far better with about fifty and a hell of a lot less expensive plus they might even to agree on decisions a lot more quickly, on another note a lot of our MP’s don’t need there salaries as they have private wealth far exceeding most of us minions, Buzzer.
Would you be happy if an MP obeyed his/her party head office rather than do what is best for their constituencies? Just do what they are told by their boss?
Surely that’s more like a centralised dictatorship?
You’re right they need to be mostly in line with their party, but I think there are exceptional cases, and Brexit is exceptional.
