I know some on here like a little light relief…no, not my crappy puns… here is an old rip-off…
youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA
of a Python sketch…
Easy to see which way it goes, but worth watching to the end IMHO.
And here is another laugh, Johnson putting one over on that Andrew Neil.
Easy to see how well he understands his subject here. 
EDIT. Whoops here`s the link
youtube.com/watch?v=tJVE9ge1BQ0
Franglais:
I know some on here like a little light relief…no, not my crappy puns… here is an old rip-off…
youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA
of a Python sketch…
Easy to see which way it goes, but worth watching to the end IMHO.And here is another laugh, Johnson
putting one overon that Andrew Neil.
Easy to see how well he understands his subject here.EDIT. Whoops here`s the link
youtube.com/watch?v=tJVE9ge1BQ0
Priceless Franglais, both of them. 
Franglais & Spardo what a dream team, you think " It will be alright on the night " both of you, I think you will have to sit back and watch the UK fly, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Franglais & Spardo what a dream team, you think " It will be alright on the night " both of you, I think you will have to sit back and watch the UK fly, Buzzer
Thank you.
I`m afraid we still have a ways to go before we can hope to be as good as yourself and Bewick, however.
You two take the biscuit in your roles as Stadtler and Waldorf. Well done.
Dennis can you tell me which one you are Stadler or Waldorf ? Im’e not sure who I am now so your going to have to tell me mate, I aint got a moostach though but I am still not sure so your going to have to put me right, Buzzer.
Franglais:
Further on my prev post: Here is another possible scenario regarding tariffs…If Pierre walks into a car showroom today he could buy a Solihull built Jaguar F-Pace 2.0 for 65k.
A BMW X5 3.0 would be nice, but costs 72k. Maybe he`ll stick with the Jag?After any hard Brexit the tariffs would now make the two about the same price. Maybe he
ll choose that Beemer now? Will the Germans sell less cars in the UK? I would expect so. I would also expect them to sell more in the EU to replace those UK Jags that will be more expensive because of 10% WTO tariffs. It really isnt a simple situation.
So maybe Bill in Brum will buy a Jag because that would be cheaper once the tariffs on the BMW are added
ramone:
Franglais:
Further on my prev post: Here is another possible scenario regarding tariffs…If Pierre walks into a car showroom today he could buy a Solihull built Jaguar F-Pace 2.0 for 65k.
A BMW X5 3.0 would be nice, but costs 72k. Maybe he`ll stick with the Jag?After any hard Brexit the tariffs would now make the two about the same price. Maybe he
ll choose that Beemer now? Will the Germans sell less cars in the UK? I would expect so. I would also expect them to sell more in the EU to replace those UK Jags that will be more expensive because of 10% WTO tariffs. It really isnt a simple situation.So maybe Bill in Brum will buy a Jag because that would be cheaper once the tariffs on the BMW are added
A perfect response there ramone, with the vast numbers of Audi, BMW, VAG, Mercedes cars sold in this country every year there could be a big issue for the German motor industry.
ramone:
Franglais:
Further on my prev post: Here is another possible scenario regarding tariffs…If Pierre walks into a car showroom today he could buy a Solihull built Jaguar F-Pace 2.0 for 65k.
A BMW X5 3.0 would be nice, but costs 72k. Maybe he`ll stick with the Jag?After any hard Brexit the tariffs would now make the two about the same price. Maybe he
ll choose that Beemer now? Will the Germans sell less cars in the UK? I would expect so. I would also expect them to sell more in the EU to replace those UK Jags that will be more expensive because of 10% WTO tariffs. It really isnt a simple situation.So maybe Bill in Brum will buy a Jag because that would be cheaper once the tariffs on the BMW are added
Quite so. Valid point. As I said it aint simple. Worth remembering that all imported EU components in UK built cars will also be dearer, so that Jag still wont be as cheap as it is today.
And when the next car factory is built, or investment made in existing ones, remember there are potentially 66m Bills and 510m Pierres…so we can see which way the wind will blow. Build factories for the big market, not the smaller one.
Want to make sure those car plants are built here rather than in the EU?
Well our Brexit politicians have already said we can havent they? We need to be more competitive dont we?
We know land is dearer here than in Europe, so how to attract business? Lower costs of course. Lower wages? Make it easier to hire and fire staff? Lower business taxes? Lower standards for employment and pollution? Throw off those pesky EU, red tape, rules and we can FLY!
The country can succeed, yes. All we have to do is sacrifice wages, living standards, and quality of life and we can succeed!
bigstraight6:
A perfect response there ramone, with the vast numbers of Audi, BMW, VAG, Mercedes cars sold in this country every year there could be a big issue for the German motor industry.
Yes, a hard Brexit could make the German car industry catch a chill, it could give the UK car industry a serious cold or the `flu.
Look at the whole picture, and work it out yourself.
Buzzer:
Dennis can you tell me which one you are Stadler or Waldorf ? Im’e not sure who I am now so your going to have to tell me mate, I aint got a moostach though but I am still not sure so your going to have to put me right, Buzzer.
I rather think I resemble Beaker, but with thinned out and greyer hair.
Bet you wish I was Zippy sometimes…?
Buzzer:
Dennis can you tell me which one you are Stadler or Waldorf ? Im’e not sure who I am now so your going to have to tell me mate, I aint got a moostach though but I am still not sure so your going to have to put me right, Buzzer.
I’m the ugly one John ! 
Franglais:
bigstraight6:
A perfect response there ramone, with the vast numbers of Audi, BMW, VAG, Mercedes cars sold in this country every year there could be a big issue for the German motor industry.Yes, a hard Brexit could make the German car industry catch a chill, it could give the UK car industry a serious cold or the `flu.
Look at the whole picture, and work it out yourself.
It would only make the slightest difference if the EU wants to kick off a trade war because it doesn’t do secession.
So we replace German imports with domestic production putting us back in the position that we were in 1972.On the basis that the home produced product has no trade tariffs/barriers applied.
Now awaits remainer maths which says that we sell more cars to the Germans than they sell to us.Also bearing in mind that we’re talking about the combined EU car market here which involves a lot more than just German imports. 
Franglais:
Worth remembering that all imported EU components in UK built cars will also be dearer, so that Jag still won`t be as cheap as it is today.
Really so why did the Japs bother with setting up EU assembly operations here to circumvent non EU import taxes ?.As you know import taxes only apply to the finished product not components.If not how do you explain the EU single market applying to UK car and truck exports using US made components such as Jensen Interceptor using Chrysler V8 and Torqueflite box,and Jag XJ using GM 400 for two examples.As we know the corrupt EU scumbags couldn’t impose import taxes on such components so they used type approval to put them out of the frame instead.Not that it matters much when the new EU enforced electric motors and drivelines will all be made in bleedin China.
Franglais:
bigstraight6:
A perfect response there ramone, with the vast numbers of Audi, BMW, VAG, Mercedes cars sold in this country every year there could be a big issue for the German motor industry.Yes, a hard Brexit could make the German car industry catch a chill, it could give the UK car industry a serious cold or the `flu.
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Or even worse, death. Remember there are no British car makers anymore, only car makers who, for now, make some cars in Britain.
Spardo:
Remember there are no British car makers anymore, only car makers who, for now, make some cars in Britain.
Who would obviously want to make more cars ‘in Britain’ assuming a high tariff environment against imports and an end to EU type approval restrictions.You know something along the lines of pre EEC Ford and GM UK’s operations.
Having said that it’s all a moot point when it’s globisation which is the elephant in the room in that regard and in which case your statement applies just the same to all EU car production.
No point in paying the EU a fortune in net contributions and being run by a foreign government and providing Brit jobs for German workers,all for the privilege of importing German cars for the remaining market of those who refuse to drive Oriental crap.When at least we can bring those jobs back and/or increase our far more lucrative trade connections with the US instead.
Carryfast:
Really so why did the Japs bother with setting up EU assembly operations here to circumvent non EU import taxes ?
To avoid those taxes they set up factories in the UK and other EU countries. If those taxes are reintroduced by Brexit why would they stay here?
It has nothing to do with trade wars or owt else.
In a hard Brexit we would be on WTO rules. That means we would be treating the EU, and they would be treating us, the same way we treat other non-treaty countries. No question of “punishment” or “war” or anything else, just following the rules.
theloadstar.com/car-makers-say- … kes-trade/
10% tariff on finished cars 4.5% on car parts.
Not worried yet? It rises to 35% for some UK agri produce going into the EU!
WTO rules are not just a tick box exercise! They cost money and time.
Carryfast:
If not how do you explain the EU single market applying to UK car and truck exports using US made components such as Jensen Interceptor using Chrysler V8 and Torqueflite box,and Jag XJ using GM 400 for two examples
You really are living in the past aren`t you? Jenson ceased trading in 1976, a quarter century before the WTO even existed!
Carryfast:
So we replace German imports with domestic production putting us back in the position that we were in 1972.
Brexit is NOT a time machine… we cant all join you in the 70s.
Carryfast:
Now awaits remainer maths which says that we sell more cars to the Germans than they sell to us.Also bearing in mind that we’re talking about the combined EU car market here which involves a lot more than just German imports.
Hhhmm, “remainer maths” ■■
I showed the figures, and the sources, and those figures you havent disputed. (Except to wrongly say car components arent taxed)
The maths is neutral. A fact is a fact.
The implication of the maths is that Brexit is gonna be costly to the UK.
I think thats a bad thing. Its BECAUSE of the maths and the logic, I think Brexit is a bad idea. I haven`t decided Brexit is bad and then gone off looking for ways to justify that opinion.
If you think that trashing our remaining manufacturing base, and hobbling agriculture is a price worth paying, say so. That is your opinion.
Forgive me if I choose not join your Quixotic attempt to tilt at imaginary EU villians, and ride off back to the 1970`s.
Appendix 1 page 47 UK/EU imports/exports of agricultural products. I’m not seeing it ‘hobbling’ UK agriculture. The percentages seem pretty neutral with the value showing a greater impact on the EU countries than upon the UK. Individual sectors show different impacts but nothing will ever be completely one sided.
cav551:
Appendix 1 page 47 UK/EU imports/exports of agricultural products. I’m not seeing it ‘hobbling’ UK agriculture. The percentages seem pretty neutral with the value showing a greater impact on the EU countries than upon the UK. Individual sectors show different impacts but nothing will ever be completely one sided.
Appendix 1 page 47? A table from 2014?
It`s a report from 2016 and deals with many differing scenarios, including with/without a deal.
Here is the NFU from Jan of this year,
:No-deal Brexit would be catastrophic for UK farmers, warns NFU | Farming | The Guardian
“Union boss Minette Batters says tariffs would price British farms out of export market”
"Batters pointed out that UK farmers would have third-party status and would face high tariffs to sell their goods into Europe. “We’d be priced out of the market,” she said, claiming that the result for UK farmers would be catastrophic. “Forty per cent of our lamb goes to Europe, for just one example. We’re not going to suddenly start eating more lamb here. If we don’t have that export market, what happens to it?”
Welsh farmers can`t plant wheat on their hills!
2018 Businss insider
businessinsider.com/quarter … ?r=UK&IR=T
“Academics say government plans to replace farm subsidies after Brexit could mean that up to 25% of England’s least profitable farms could go bankrupt.”
Should unprofitable businesses go down?
They are not unprofitable today, but might be in a few months. We wont be eating less will we? So the food they produce will have to imported…
We import more food, and because of tariffs export less…don`t look like anything but hobbling to me.
It’s maybe worth mentioning that a lot of Mercedes cars imported into the UK are not produced in Germany. Both my wife and I have a C class which are built in South Africa and never been near Germany.
Last time I looked SA was not in the EU so would Brexit make any difference.
Tyneside
tyneside:
It’s maybe worth mentioning that a lot of Mercedes cars imported into the UK are not produced in Germany. Both my wife and I have a C class which are built in South Africa and never been near Germany.
Last time I looked SA was not in the EU so would Brexit make any difference.
Tyneside
South Africa and the EU already have the TDCA trade agreement in existence.
EDIT to add: They are already a “preferred EU partner”.