Bewick:
E U Army ? don’t make me [zb] laugh ! There is only one Army/Navy & Air Force of any consequence in Europe and that is the UK armed forces, maybe not as big as they should be but never the less a thoroughly Professional set up who can give a good account of themselves anywhere. This so called EU Army , if ever it is for real and is put to the test couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag and would probably end up surrendering before “the serious [zb]” started flying ! Cheers Bewick.
You mean like the ‘professional’ set up we had in the form of the BEF in 1940.That ended well.The fact is it’s the quality and effectiveness of the hardware and having lots of it which wins wars not people.While it’s clear that our forces have been deliberately run down in that regard to the point where they are weaker than the combined forces of Germany and France.Obviously with the intention of stopping any future war of secession v federal Euro aggression in its tracks.Bearing in mind that we no longer produce tanks or fighter aircraft of our own for just two examples.
On that note the proto German fronted EU federal army is all too real.With our own forces and HM being totally onside with the project.While there’s no way that America is going to compromise its own Federalist agenda by coming to liberate us this time.
The Stena Impero is UK flagged, and has a UK operator.
It is registered in Cyprus, to a Swedish owner, and has a crew of 23 Indian, Russian, Latvian, and Filipino nationals.
I doubt the UK is the only country doing anything here. And I would doubt that any discussions between the UK and its allies are being publicised. Silence doesnt always mean nothing is happening. In the age of Twitter that may seem strange, but it is still better to talk softer, but act harder, when necessary.
Bewick:
E U Army ? don’t make me [zb] laugh ! There is only one Army/Navy & Air Force of any consequence in Europe and that is the UK armed forces, maybe not as big as they should be but never the less a thoroughly Professional set up who can give a good account of themselves anywhere. This so called EU Army , if ever it is for real and is put to the test couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag and would probably end up surrendering before “the serious [zb]” started flying ! Cheers Bewick.
You mean like the ‘professional’ set up we had in the form of the BEF in 1940.That ended well.The fact is it’s the quality and effectiveness of the hardware and having lots of it which wins wars not people.While it’s clear that our forces have been deliberately run down in that regard to the point where they are weaker than the combined forces of Germany and France.Obviously with the intention of stopping any future war of secession v federal Euro aggression in its tracks.Bearing in mind that we no longer produce tanks or fighter aircraft of our own for just two examples.
On that note the proto German fronted EU federal army is all too real.With our own forces and HM being totally onside with the project.While there’s no way that America is going to compromise its own Federalist agenda by coming to liberate us this time.
Let me guess “CF”, you’ve either just come indoors from the Pub ( Well the only one in Leatherhead you aren’t barred from!) or you’ve been smoking some dodgy gear again. Or Matron hasn’t got round to your Cell, sorry room, with to-nights doze of Horse Tranquilizer ! You don’t half spout a load of Bollox ! Cheers Bewick.
I heard tonight , but stress I don`t know how true it is that one of the Congress women who Trump racially abused by saying if you don’t like it here leave married her own brother to get him into the USA .
Why are the press only looking one way when Trump is involved ■■?
ramone:
I heard tonight , but stress I don`t know how true it is that one of the Congress women who Trump racially abused by saying if you don’t like it here leave married her own brother to get him into the USA .
Why are the press only looking one way when Trump is involved ■■?
Sounds like the sort of stroke they would pull to get a visa “ramone” cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
E U Army ? don’t make me [zb] laugh ! There is only one Army/Navy & Air Force of any consequence in Europe and that is the UK armed forces, maybe not as big as they should be but never the less a thoroughly Professional set up who can give a good account of themselves anywhere. This so called EU Army , if ever it is for real and is put to the test couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag and would probably end up surrendering before “the serious [zb]” started flying ! Cheers Bewick.
You mean like the ‘professional’ set up we had in the form of the BEF in 1940.That ended well.The fact is it’s the quality and effectiveness of the hardware and having lots of it which wins wars not people.While it’s clear that our forces have been deliberately run down in that regard to the point where they are weaker than the combined forces of Germany and France.Obviously with the intention of stopping any future war of secession v federal Euro aggression in its tracks.Bearing in mind that we no longer produce tanks or fighter aircraft of our own for just two examples.
On that note the proto German fronted EU federal army is all too real.With our own forces and HM being totally onside with the project.While there’s no way that America is going to compromise its own Federalist agenda by coming to liberate us this time.
Let me guess “CF”, you’ve either just come indoors from the Pub ( Well the only one in Leatherhead you aren’t barred from!) or you’ve been smoking some dodgy gear again. Or Matron hasn’t got round to your Cell, sorry room, with to-nights doze of Horse Tranquilizer ! You don’t half spout a load of Bollox ! Cheers Bewick.
Picture the Guardian headlines.Joint French and German invasion of the Northwest,using UK troops to seal the Liverpool docks.All under French carrier air cover,to quell pitchfork armed ■■■■■■■■ rebels,including their well known Conservative Party supporting leader of pension age,rebelling against the Lisbon Treaty.Under French carrier force air cover and the RAF having agreed to park up its few token fighter force,under EU orders,for the avoidance of all doubt and confusion.
ramone:
I heard tonight , but stress I don`t know how true it is that one of the Congress women who Trump racially abused by saying if you don’t like it here leave married her own brother to get him into the USA .
Why are the press only looking one way when Trump is involved ■■?
Sounds like the sort of stroke they would pull to get a visa “ramone” cheers Dennis.
There’s a guy works down the chip-shop, swears he’s Elvis…
Franglais:
The Stena Impero is UK flagged, and has a UK operator.
It is registered in Cyprus, to a Swedish owner, and has a crew of 23 Indian, Russian, Latvian, and Filipino nationals.
I doubt the UK is the only country doing anything here. And I would doubt that any discussions between the UK and its allies are being publicised. Silence doesnt always mean nothing is happening. In the age of Twitter that may seem strange, but it is still better to talk softer, but act harder, when necessary.
These were EU sanctions that were being broken, it is the EU that is clamouring for control of the military forces of member states. It has gone as far as requiring UK forces on a recent exercise to wear shoulder patches bearing the ■■■■■■■ EU flag. If it has that political and military agenda then it was also obliged to to take a rapid, unequivocal and forthright response to the seizure of this tanker in the straits of Hormuz. So far it has shamefully shirked its responsibility. Of course it can’t do so because it is not a Nation it would argue - until political expediency or dogma dictates that it claims otherwise. Over the weekend we have seen ‘statements of support from Paris and Berlin for the UK’. What we have not seen is any announcement that French, Dutch, German or Spanish naval vessels have been dispatched to patrol the area and protect shipping. These nations are all happy for the UK to take the lead knowing that it leaves itself open to political attacks of ‘imperialist aggression’ escalating the situation, while at the same time conveniently sidestepping the inconvenient fact that they themselves have the same imperialist history but one which is not so readily bandied about by aggrieved third parties and would not therefore be seen so easily as provocation.
ramone:
I heard tonight , but stress I don`t know how true it is that one of the Congress women who Trump racially abused by saying if you don’t like it here leave married her own brother to get him into the USA .
Why are the press only looking one way when Trump is involved ■■?
Sounds like the sort of stroke they would pull to get a visa “ramone” cheers Dennis.
There’s a guy works down the chip-shop, swears he’s Elvis…
And a guy or two on a forum know everything about everything … they should have been women
Franglais:
The Stena Impero is UK flagged, and has a UK operator.
It is registered in Cyprus, to a Swedish owner, and has a crew of 23 Indian, Russian, Latvian, and Filipino nationals.
I doubt the UK is the only country doing anything here. And I would doubt that any discussions between the UK and its allies are being publicised. Silence doesnt always mean nothing is happening. In the age of Twitter that may seem strange, but it is still better to talk softer, but act harder, when necessary.
These were EU sanctions that were being broken, it is the EU that is clamouring for control of the military forces of member states. It has gone as far as requiring UK forces on a recent exercise to wear shoulder patches bearing the [zb] EU flag. If it has that political and military agenda then it was also obliged to to take a rapid, unequivocal and forthright response to the seizure of this tanker in the straits of Hormuz. So far it has shamefully shirked its responsibility. Of course it can’t do so because it is not a Nation it would argue - until political expediency or dogma dictates that it claims otherwise. Over the weekend we have seen ‘statements of support from Paris and Berlin for the UK’. What we have not seen is any announcement that French, Dutch, German or Spanish naval vessels have been dispatched to patrol the area and protect shipping. These nations are all happy for the UK to take the lead knowing that it leaves itself open to political attacks of ‘imperialist aggression’ escalating the situation, while at the same time conveniently sidestepping the inconvenient fact that they themselves have the same imperialist history but one which is not so readily bandied about by aggrieved third parties and would not therefore be seen so easily as provocation.
Convenient.
To dispatch more ships and to spread the cost, of carrying out EU policy, wouldn’t it be more convenient if all EU countries contributed to an EU force?
Did you object when UK troops wore blue berets or their vehicles had U.N. or IFOR markings? Maybe you did? But I see no harm.
Looks like you’re making a good case for more International cooperation here.
No it wouldn’t because an individual country might not agree with EU policy. Example the EU might take objection to the actions or policy of a member of the Commonwealth, those actions having the full support of HMG. Spain and Gibraltar immediately spring to mind.
cav551:
No it wouldn’t because an individual country might not agree with EU policy. Example the EU might take objection to the actions or policy of a member of the Commonwealth, those actions having the full support of HMG. Spain and Gibraltar immediately spring to mind.
At the moment we have independent national armed forces. We agree to “lend” them to NATO, or the U.N. or whatever, yes?
Why not keep the same arrangement and agree to also lend them to the EU too?
Franglais:
[At the moment we have independent national armed forces. We agree to “lend” them to NATO, or the U.N. or whatever, yes?
Why not keep the same arrangement and agree to also lend them to the EU too?
The point is we all know that the EU is a wannabee self appointed de Jure Federal state including the setting up of a Federal army.We all know that the point of a Federal army is first and foremost to make war on any moves towards secession by any member state/s.Whether it’s the US Union forces in 1861 or the JNA in 1991.
In the case of the EU all that is subject to the complication,that it’s move ( hellbent rush ) towards Federation goes against centuries of the accepted natural order,of Europe being made up of small sovereign Nation States.So it has to be done by stealth.The laughable pretence of remainers,that the EU and its intent no more than a benign loose co operation of Independent Nation States ( Confederation ),is all part of that stealth take over.
Ironically Federalism being a corrupted version of Nationalism with a much more expansive idea of the idea,size and scope of the Nation State.At best based on gerrymandered and at worse non existent,democracy and a resulting effectively foreign,remote,leadership with no local democratic accountability.Why would we want to co operate with such an abomination,with the US and Yugoslav wars of Federal aggression as examples and warnings.
The fact is independent nation states have the individual right to say no which we don’t have regarding EU directives and decisions.
Which leaves the question of the obvious rundown in Britain’s defence capabilities and manufacture.With the equally obvious convenient aim of making it impossible to us to defend the country against any future war of Federal aggression against us by the EU ( read Germany ).
cav551:
No it wouldn’t because an individual country might not agree with EU policy. Example the EU might take objection to the actions or policy of a member of the Commonwealth, those actions having the full support of HMG. Spain and Gibraltar immediately spring to mind.
At the moment we have independent national armed forces. We agree to “lend” them to NATO, or the U.N. or whatever, yes?
Why not keep the same arrangement and agree to also lend them to the EU too?
Why not? because with NATO and the UN in existence an EU army is superfluous. It is a grandstanding, empire building project at best and at worst a devious takeover bid for complete control by force of every member state’s population. ie the beginning of an enormous multi-lingual Police State.
I’ve probably got that wrong because the French given the chance will make le Francais the language of the EU.
cav551:
with NATO and the UN in existence an EU army is superfluous. It is a grandstanding, empire building project at best and at worst a devious takeover bid for complete control by force of every member state’s population. ie the beginning of an enormous multi-lingual Police State.
I’ve probably got that wrong because the French given the chance will make le Francais the language of the EU.
To be fair French was considered good enough by the Germans for Vichy documents and other government business and France obviously reciprocated in 1945 by allowing the Germans to carry on doing their thing in German including obviously in Alsace.So these two ‘enemies’ obviously have form in co operating when it suits them.That now meaning an alliance in creating a Franco/German led European Federal monster.I’d guess now in the realisation phase that ‘Germany’ supporting us against Napoleon was a mistake in that regard.Having said that the Germans also entered into a similar deal with Stalin.That ended well.
You are right about the Germans CF - going back way way before 1945 they helped the English subdue the British - though at the time maybe it was hard to tell Inglish & Germans apart.
These days it is so much easier, the Tattoos, Beer Beliys & Butcher’s Apron T-Shirts help to make the English stand out wherever in the world you are.
C.F. and Cav,
Sure more integration of armies means less chance of inter European aggression, but more. Yorkshire is less likely to invade Lancashire because they share a common UK army, not 2 separate ones. Same with Countries as counties.
Franglais:
C.F. and Cav,
Sure more integration of armies means less chance of inter European aggression, but more. Yorkshire is less likely to invade Lancashire because they share a common UK army, not 2 separate ones. Same with Countries as counties.
Ah…but as a County Palatine Lancashire has the historical right to raise its own army if it wants to, so we might invade Yorkshire if we decide to.
Franglais:
C.F. and Cav,
Sure more integration of armies means less chance of inter European aggression, but more. Yorkshire is less likely to invade Lancashire because they share a common UK army, not 2 separate ones. Same with Countries as counties.
Ah…but as a County Palatine Lancashire has the historical right to raise its own army if it wants to, so we might invade Yorkshire if we decide to.
You already have , half the cast of Emmerdales from over the brew l
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