Buzzer:
My post for today, Buzzer
E X C E L E N T and spot on ! Bewick
Carryfast:
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast it’s yours I should have stuck to my guns and not replied, you’re adamant you’re right and everyone else is wrong.It’s you who’s obviously got issues with anyone daring to disagree with you and then throwing your toys out of the pram.
Sorry but I just don’t buy your idea that Hitler was supposedly an anti Federalist.As opposed to his 3rd Reich just being a logical evolution of the 2nd.In not only maintaining the status quo of subjugating the vassal states which made/make up ‘Germany’,but also then doing the same to those which made up Europe as a whole.If you want to rewrite history in that regard go ahead who gives a zb.I’m sure Macron,Merkel and Juncker would agree with you in now fooling Europe into joining a 4th Reich without firing a shot.
CF, you live in a very dark place, full of very dark conspiracies (no, I don’t mean Surrey).
Brexit is now scheduled for the end of October. The clock’s ticking.
So it’s good to see the Government’s onboard with that. All hands on deck and let’s get this problem sorted.
But, just because we can, (and it’s not as if there’s any crisis looming) let’s have a leadership contest. It’s not as if there’s any other business we need to take care of.
Carryfast:
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast:
Sorry but I just don’t buy your idea that Hitler was supposedly an anti Federalist.As opposed to his 3rd Reich just being a logical evolution of the 2nd.In not only maintaining the status quo of subjugating the vassal states which made/make up ‘Germany’,but also then doing the same to those which made up Europe as a whole.If you want to rewrite history in that regard go ahead who gives a zb.I’m sure Macron,Merkel and Juncker would agree with you in now fooling Europe into joining a 4th Reich without firing a shot.How you can relate ■■■■ Germany to a modern day federal state is laughable, enjoy the thread and keep convincing yourself you’re correct
Here’s a clue the definition of a Federal state has nothing to do with when or what that Federal state happens to be.Whether it’s the Roman Empire subjugating Europe to the JNA rampaging across the former Yugoslavia.All having the same abhorrence and common aim of stamping out local self determination and governance accountability,usually by branding it as ‘rebellion’.Or in this case ‘Nationalist extremism’.
History shows that a Federal army is usually used to that aim sooner or later based on whatever bs excuse.The example of the nazis,using the German Federal Army,to tear down Europe’s borders,to impose German rule on its neighbouring states,being just another example.You sound just like a remainer.In trying to dress up German Federalism,obviously including the EU,as a force for good in Europe.As opposed to using the lessons of history and all the alarm bells they set off as a warning in that regard.Now awaits the bs that the Wehrmacht wasn’t the same thing as the Deutsches Heer and the Bundeswehr and ‘Germany’ in 1914 and 1939,by definition,wasn’t the same ‘Germany’ as Bismark created 1871.
On that note if,as you say,Hitler supposedly despised the German Federation so much why did he name his prized Battleship after its creator ?.But keep convincing yourself that you’re correct.Unfortunately for future generations of Brits like so many others.
Carryfast you really need to look at what you write before posting, you’re now claiming that every political / social system since and probably before the birth of Christ to be federal ■■
It’s you that needs to keep convincing yourself.
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast you really need to look at what you write before posting, you’re now claiming that every political / social system since and probably before the birth of Christ to be federal ■■
It’s you that needs to keep convincing yourself.
Don’t feed the trolls.
No, seriously, don’t feed the trolls.
dexxy57:
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast you really need to look at what you write before posting, you’re now claiming that every political / social system since and probably before the birth of Christ to be federal ■■
It’s you that needs to keep convincing yourself.Don’t feed the trolls.
No, seriously, don’t feed the trolls.
Aimed at ■■
Well now that Theresa May has finally departed.
I see that yet another Tory hopeful has thrown their cap into the ring in the bunfight to become the next bungler.
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast:
Grumpy Dad:
Carryfast:
Sorry but I just don’t buy your idea that Hitler was supposedly an anti Federalist.As opposed to his 3rd Reich just being a logical evolution of the 2nd.In not only maintaining the status quo of subjugating the vassal states which made/make up ‘Germany’,but also then doing the same to those which made up Europe as a whole.If you want to rewrite history in that regard go ahead who gives a zb.I’m sure Macron,Merkel and Juncker would agree with you in now fooling Europe into joining a 4th Reich without firing a shot.How you can relate ■■■■ Germany to a modern day federal state is laughable, enjoy the thread and keep convincing yourself you’re correct
Here’s a clue the definition of a Federal state has nothing to do with when or what that Federal state happens to be.Whether it’s the Roman Empire subjugating Europe to the JNA rampaging across the former Yugoslavia.All having the same abhorrence and common aim of stamping out local self determination and governance accountability,usually by branding it as ‘rebellion’.Or in this case ‘Nationalist extremism’.
History shows that a Federal army is usually used to that aim sooner or later based on whatever bs excuse.The example of the nazis,using the German Federal Army,to tear down Europe’s borders,to impose German rule on its neighbouring states,being just another example.You sound just like a remainer.In trying to dress up German Federalism,obviously including the EU,as a force for good in Europe.As opposed to using the lessons of history and all the alarm bells they set off as a warning in that regard.Now awaits the bs that the Wehrmacht wasn’t the same thing as the Deutsches Heer and the Bundeswehr and ‘Germany’ in 1914 and 1939,by definition,wasn’t the same ‘Germany’ as Bismark created 1871.
On that note if,as you say,Hitler supposedly despised the German Federation so much why did he name his prized Battleship after its creator ?.But keep convincing yourself that you’re correct.Unfortunately for future generations of Brits like so many others.
Carryfast you really need to look at what you write before posting, you’re now claiming that every political / social system since and probably before the birth of Christ to be federal ■■
It’s you that needs to keep convincing yourself.
So no answer as to how Hitler supposedly ‘despised’ the German Federation in your view while at the same time idolising Bismark. 
How can I possibly be claiming that ‘every political system is Federal’ when I’ve clearly made the case for Nationalism and Secession v Federalism.While also blowing the bs case,that Federalism = Peace,out of the water.Pun with Bismark intended in that case.
So yes the Roman Empire to Yugoslavia ( including the USA and UK ) all Federal states and all used aggression sooner or later to stamp out ‘Nationalism’ and Secession and self determination of sovereign Nation States to keep the Federation together at all costs and/or to create or expand it.Just as history says that the latest incarnation of German Federalism,in the form of the EU,will do sooner or later.
After watching the news last week when thr D Day rememberance service and state visit were taking place i was disgusted with what Corbyn Bercow and the lunatic running London were doing. This wasn’t about Trump it was about showing respect to the thousands of men from the USA Austrailia Canada NZ and Britain who died and lived to save us from the delights of ■■■■ Germany.So why were the news channels and the 3 mentioned above turning it into an anti Trump farce
Well this morning I have read that the outgoing EU commissioners are to receive in golden goodbyes at the end of this present term, Tusk will get K288, Junker K144 and this is only half as he becomes a pensioner halfway through the two year period and a further 28 commissioners will get 4.7 million between them one of which is Sir Julian King. and this even if they secure other employment thereafter.
No wonder we need to get out of this corrupt organisation ASAP what utter raw greed, and I suppose they are counting on the 39 billion they are hoping to get from the UK and I for one would not give those dirty greedy twisters one penny piece, and to boot they are all mega pensions there after, Buzzer
Buzzer:
Well this morning I have read that the outgoing EU commissioners are to receive in golden goodbyes at the end of this present term, Tusk will get K288, Junker K144 and this is only half as he becomes a pensioner halfway through the two year period and a further 28 commissioners will get 4.7 million between them one of which is Sir Julian King. and this even if they secure other employment thereafter.
No wonder we need to get out of this corrupt organisation ASAP what utter raw greed, and I suppose they are counting on the 39 billion they are hoping to get from the UK and I for one would not give those dirty greedy twisters one penny piece, and to boot they are all mega pensions there after, Buzzer
Do you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?
What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Well this morning I have read that the outgoing EU commissioners are to receive in golden goodbyes at the end of this present term, Tusk will get K288, Junker K144 and this is only half as he becomes a pensioner halfway through the two year period and a further 28 commissioners will get 4.7 million between them one of which is Sir Julian King. and this even if they secure other employment thereafter.
No wonder we need to get out of this corrupt organisation ASAP what utter raw greed, and I suppose they are counting on the 39 billion they are hoping to get from the UK and I for one would not give those dirty greedy twisters one penny piece, and to boot they are all mega pensions there after, BuzzerDo you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?
What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Just to clarify If you read my post again you will find I never once mentioned what they receive as a salary, what I was saying is why should they get a golden goodbye payment. After all they will surely get a handsome pension paid out by the Eu
Franglais:
Do you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Your double standards are laughable.Pretending to supposedly be all for the working class when it suits you.But a full on apologist for the corrupt greed driven EU leadership elites when it doesn’t,as part of your blind faith in the Federalist project.IE the definition of a Champagne Socialist just like your hero Blair.
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Well this morning I have read that the outgoing EU commissioners are to receive in golden goodbyes at the end of this present term, Tusk will get K288, Junker K144 and this is only half as he becomes a pensioner halfway through the two year period and a further 28 commissioners will get 4.7 million between them one of which is Sir Julian King. and this even if they secure other employment thereafter.
No wonder we need to get out of this corrupt organisation ASAP what utter raw greed, and I suppose they are counting on the 39 billion they are hoping to get from the UK and I for one would not give those dirty greedy twisters one penny piece, and to boot they are all mega pensions there after, BuzzerDo you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?
What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Just to clarify If you read my post again you will find I never once mentioned what they receive as a salary, what I was saying is why should they get a golden goodbye payment. After all they will surely get a handsome pension paid out by the Eu
Surely, here, you are saying you would pay them nothing, even before they get a pension?
Previously you have mentioned the “EU gravy train”, “snouts in the trough”, " this corrupt organisation", “utter raw greed”, I mean to say you haven`t been shy in your criticism, why so reticent now?
Anyway, do you have an opinion on pay for MPs? Be they EU or UK MPs?
If not, no problem.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Do you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Your double standards are laughable.Pretending to supposedly be all for the working class when it suits you.But a full on apologist for the corrupt greed driven EU leadership elites when it doesn’t,as part of your blind faith in the Federalist project.IE the definition of a Champagne Socialist just like your hero Blair.
How does pay for politicians affect pay for workers?
Where have I defended greed?
How can we expect a clever “working class” politician to go to Parliament if we only offer so much less than could be earned elsewhere?
Do you only want the " local squire" to be able to afford a career in politics?
Do we want the greedy, self servers, attracted who only use politics as a means to money later? It should be a reward in itself. Not a popular view at first glance, I know, but look at what the alternatives are.
(Tony Blair??)
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Do you suggest that administrators and politicians are paid the minimum wage then? Will that attract persons of a suitable caliber? Or maybe just employ those who can seek ways to line their own pockets through corruption? Only have MPs who are rich enough to not need pay?What pay scheme would you suggest Mr Buzzer?
Your double standards are laughable.Pretending to supposedly be all for the working class when it suits you.But a full on apologist for the corrupt greed driven EU leadership elites when it doesn’t,as part of your blind faith in the Federalist project.IE the definition of a Champagne Socialist just like your hero Blair.
How does pay for politicians affect pay for workers?
Where have I defended greed?
How can we expect a clever “working class” politician to go to Parliament if we only offer so much less than could be earned elsewhere?
Do you only want the " local squire" to be able to afford a career in politics?
Do we want the greedy, self servers, attracted who only use politics as a means to money later? It should be a reward in itself. Not a popular view at first glance, I know, but look at what the alternatives are.
(Tony Blair??)
It’s obvious that I’m referring to a good old fashioned pay and terms and conditions grades issue.
Why would you consider an unproductive windbag politician to be worth more than a miner for example either at work or in retirement ?.Even moreso when the politicians in question are an unnecessary unelected imposition,of a foreign government on us,paid for out the taxes of low paid workers.
Look “CF” calm down mate ! you’ve got your man Boris past the first hurdle so don’t keep whining on ! Just sit tight now and we will get him installed in number 10 by July 22nd. but if you keep “sounding off” it could all turn to crap and you My Son will have to shoulder the blame for letting Rory Stuart in !! But then again as Stuart has been travelling around the UK he could possibly have pitched up in Leatherhead ( don’t know why he would as he is a member of TNUK) and he has got you “wired up” as his inside man ! Who knows if and when Stuart becomes PM we could ,at last, see Lord Carryfast of Leatherhead in the House of Lords !! Then the ■■■■■■■ place really will need abolishing !! 
Cheers Bewick
Bewick:
Look “CF” calm down mate ! you’ve got your man Boris past the first hurdle so don’t keep whining on ! Just sit tight now and we will get him installed in number 10 by July 22nd. but if you keep “sounding off” it could all turn to crap and you My Son will have to shoulder the blame for letting Rory Stuart in !! But then again as Stuart has been travelling around the UK he could possibly have pitched up in Leatherhead ( don’t know why he would as he is a member of TNUK) and he has got you “wired up” as his inside man ! Who knows if and when Stuart becomes PM we could ,at last, see Lord Carryfast of Leatherhead in the House of Lords !! Then the [zb] place really will need abolishing !!
Who’s Rory Stuart ?.You’ll have to forgive me but I stopped watching all the TV news channels because the tele was going to end up with a brick through it sooner or later. 
As for the rest of this fiasco it’s HM who ultimately signed us up to the stitch up long ago and there’s no way that she’s going to sign us out of it now without dropping herself and her rotten government in the zb.
Aint it weird that that the sort of no hopers in the race to No10 all have a dig at BoJo cuzz he is the front runner instead of actually stating there policies, and as for that Jo Brand they ought to have prosecuted her for suggesting throwing acid at any body, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
and as for that Jo Brand they ought to have prosecuted her for suggesting throwing acid at any body, Buzzer.
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“Have they noo a wee sniper up there wi’a nice little rifle wi’a a bullet wee her name on’it, Buzzer.”