If the BBC screened that I might be less sniffy about the licensing fee! Robert
I got my postal vote today, I’m on my way now to the post box. OUT- OUT-OUT!!!
Buzzer:
tachograph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9EWell I was the one responsible for starting this thread and this is by far the best speech on the EU referendum I have seen and it should be screened on all television channels in primetime slots every night for a week so that there is no excuse for any one saying they did not know why not to vote OUT and leave this corrupt organisation.
Well done for “tachograph” for posting this piece, just someone please get it to a wider audience so everyone is aware just how important this vote is, no time for apathy or I did not have time, make time and vote OUT or regret it for your selves and the future generations of your families, by god that was worth watching, Buzzer voting OUT.
If you haven’t seen him before look him up on youtube, his name is Pat Condell he has many videos and always strait to the point, very good speaker.
According to the recent Polls ( I accept they can be wrong!) it looks like the tide may be turning in favour of OUT which I sincerely hope it is. This recent news of Migrants tackling the Channel will have got some of the “waverers” thinking seriously. The UK can stand on it’s own two feet NO DANGER ! I just hope we have a good turn out for the Brexit vote and I hope I come across that ■■■■ Tim Farron at our Polling Station and boy will I give the ■■■■ some ear ache 
Cheers Bewick.
Don’t have to say a thing on this just read it, just makes me mad to see how crazy we Brits are, FGS and our own vote OUT Buzzer.
OssieD:
Buzzer:
tachograph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9EWell I was the one responsible for starting this thread and this is by far the best speech on the EU referendum I have seen and it should be screened on all television channels in primetime slots every night for a week so that there is no excuse for any one saying they did not know why not to vote OUT and leave this corrupt organisation.
Well done for “tachograph” for posting this piece, just someone please get it to a wider audience so everyone is aware just how important this vote is, no time for apathy or I did not have time, make time and vote OUT or regret it for your selves and the future generations of your families, by god that was worth watching, Buzzer voting OUT.If you haven’t seen him before look him up on youtube, his name is Pat Condell he has many videos and always strait to the point, very good speaker.
Brilliant.But two questions.
Why does he think that the Federalist/anti Federalist argument doesn’t exist just the same in the USA with all the same downsides of Federal regulation being supreme over locally democratically accountable State rights.IE his ‘US friends’ are obviously Federalists.When the original US constitution was a ‘Confederation’ of sovereign states. 
While knowing that the EU is a corrupt dictatorial Soviet style project how can we have any faith in the referendum.IE not a chance to get out but a rigged scam that is just being used as part of a plan to take us further in thereby giving Merkel and Juncker a blank cheque. 
express.co.uk/news/politics/ … ling-cards
On that note there’s no way that this issue will/can/should go away just because of an in vote because all the issues and questions will remain.IE logically the issue of sovereignty isn’t something that is negotiable or which should be subject to referendum because no one has the right to give it away let alone vote it away.It should be a matter for the police and the armed forces to enforce by jailing the Federalist politicians.
The issue is surely more urgently one of democracy, even before sovereignty and fiscal concerns. Whichever way the votes go now, the cat is out of Pandora’s box! Robert
robert1952:
The issue is surely more urgently one of democracy, even before sovereignty and fiscal concerns. Whichever way the votes go now, the cat is out of Pandora’s box! Robert
The issues of democracy and sovereignty are the same things.IE we have no democratic control over a decision making process carried out along Federal lines.Wether it be politicians with a mandate in other US states who decide what happens in Texas for example.Or QMV in Europe meaning that a majority decision taken by foreign MEP’s or even unelected EU commisioners have the ultimate power of decision making here.Or Tito’s artificially created so called Yugoslav Federation deciding what’s best for Slovenia and Croatia.
Which leaves the question why not a Confederate States of Europe in which the seperate states hold supreme sovereignty in the form of the right of opt out,substitution and VETO over the every part of the decision making process.Let me guess that would instantly mean an admission that the American government has been an invalid undemocratic institution since the time when the US constitution was changed from one of a Confederation of Sovereign states to a Federation of States under a Federal government.That’s why the US is putting so much pressure on us not to secede and it’s why it’s idea of supporting the so called right of self determination in Yugoslavia was all conditional on those secessionist states joining the EU immediately after.
The Pandora’s Box of nationalism/anti federalism/self determination always being the terrifying reality from the point of view of dictatorial Federalists of whatever type whether it be Julius Ceasar.Edward 1,Napoleon,James Madison/Lincoln,Stalin,Hitler,Tito,or Juncker.
.
In amongst all the lies and exagerations of the remain mob ‘call me dave’ seems to have missed the fact that if we even think about voting leave then France and Germany will dissapear under flood water. Oh dear, what a shame. Never mind aye?
David
David Miller:
In amongst all the lies and exagerations of the remain mob ‘call me dave’ seems to have missed the fact that if we even think about voting leave then France and Germany will dissapear under flood water. Oh dear, what a shame. Never mind aye?David
Its just a shame that Brussels is not flooded to such a depth that it drowns all the corrupt tossers running the EU, OUT OUT OUT Buzzer.
David Miller:
In amongst all the lies and exagerations of the remain mob ‘call me dave’ seems to have missed the fact that if we even think about voting leave then France and Germany will dissapear under flood water. Oh dear, what a shame. Never mind aye?David
Blimey give them time.Right now they are probably dreaming up the latest global warmist propaganda story that silly amounts of heavy rain are unknown in Germany during the Summer months and it’s all to do with the massive heatwave we’ve had here since December.So ze Englanders must pay. 
Well after reading 13 pages of good and bad arguments for staying or leaving and enjoyed it all its time to point out something that evelryone seems to have missed. If you want to stay and believe the scaremongering then get on with it but remember one thing, this is Great Britain were talking about, two world wars and a another in the south Atlantic under our belt and done it all with no money and no equipment, a bit like my life. I expect the pound to fall and it might affect my continental business but my kids won’t starve and it won’t be to bad as our government are so pro EU I don’t think much will change anyway. And don’t believe it when our government and all the IN camp tell us we’re to crap to survive on our own. Vote with your heart boys not your wallets and don’t forget were GREAT
As a Belgian citizen living in Belgium, i’m watching this with bated breath… I would also like Belgium to leave the European union, but we’re ■■■■■■ over here.
Vote OUT while you still have the chance !!!
Geoffo:
As a Belgian citizen living in Belgium, i’m watching this with bated breath… I would also like Belgium to leave the European union, but we’re [zb] over here.Vote OUT while you still have the chance !!!
I don’t think your a lone voice out there in EU land Geoffo, unfortunately your residency in the heart of the political cesspit will make it very difficult for your views to be aired let alone acted upon. That may come about if Britain leaves, it could just be the finger pulled out of the dyke that starts a flood!! 
Regards Kev.
Just watched Brexit the movie, one hour and ten minuets of time well spent, another fact full piece of film with no ■■■■■■■■, no scare mongering just telling people what is going on but many have absolutely no idea at all, hopefully this debacle will be EUver and OUT, Buzzer.
I see we have the boss of JP Morgan offering death, disaster, and massive job losses in the banking industry if we leave. (Cry now.) This from one of the architects of the crash of 2008. He really can predict the future can’t he!
Can I suggest he Foxtrot Oscar back to the good old USA and play with Obama.
All those offering opinion as fact, for instance Christine Lagarde, a woman who was charged with criminal negligence, and later had to apologise for completely misjudging Britain’s economic position, have got it wrong before. Why do they think we should believe them now, they all have zero credibility.
If we leave, the whole corrupt edifice will collapse behind us. No wonder they’re so desperate for us to remain.
On the Bewick thread, Dennis says that his wife wouldn’t refund him if he didn’t provide receipts. No wonder the auditors won’t sign off the EU accounts, all involved think ‘expenses’ are tax free slush money. Closer to home, our MPs and Lords should be subject to exactly the same scrutiny.
My opinion only of course,
John.
OUT
John West:
I see we have the boss of JP Morgan offering death, disaster, and massive job losses in the banking industry if we leave. (Cry now.) This from one of the architects of the crash of 2008. He really can predict the future can’t he!Can I suggest he Foxtrot Oscar back to the good old USA and play with Obama.
+1
Meanwhile the real reason why the zb wit American federalists want us to stay.
This is very worth watching. Merkels face is worth a fortune on it’s own. Talk about a Bulldog licking ■■■■ off a nettle!
youtube.com/embed/R5lXYw1l8 … autoplay=1
David
Been keeping an eye on this for a while, over this last couple of weeks the Brexit odds have shortened considerably and given that the bookies are pretty shrewd at weighing the odds, I tend to think that it’s a better marker than any of the polls, bookmark it and keep an eye on it oddschecker.com/politics/bri … hip-result
Cheers
Oily