gerbil sb152:
Hi all, the point i was trying to make was why would there be more trucks if we are not going to be trading with Europe if we go out with no deal. I can’t see why we would have more truck’s but doing no trade. As i said before just scare mongering.
You’re right there wouldn’t be more loads moved.
The rest is a series of 'IF’s.
Up to you or anyone to accept/not the line of thought:
No deal (especially) means extra checks and paperwork. That means extra time at either ports or inland clearance depots. Since the ports now have more trucks, and less parking, than twenty or thirty years ago, there will be blockages. So trucks will need somewhere to wait/queue.
If it’s a really bad fubar, and each load is on the truck a lot longer, it will need more trucks to carry the same number of loads.
Since we don’t know exactly what’s happening next, so the need to look at possible outcomes.
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“Franglaise” as I have said before it wont effect British trucks much as only about 10% is done by them from the UK nowadays, most formalities can be electronically controlled so I cant see a major problem with congestion at entry and exit points, plus the Jonnie foreigner’s will maybe start charging realistic payments for the work they have taken from UK hauliers by chopping rates to an un economical level, it does concern us a little as we are one of the few companies still plying our trade in Europe but what ever happens we will have to deal with it when it arrives and if it proves non profitable we stop doing the work and diversify, its as simple as that Buzzer
You are right we will have to deal with whatever happens.
If we shoot ourselves in the foot, we’ll stagger about on crutches and deal with it like that. [emoji5]
But I don’t think that’s a particularly good way to go about things.
If as you say international rates go up then there could be two effects: Imports cost more, so goods that we import will cost more to us, the end consumer.
Exports cost more to foreign buyers, so possibly losing us trade.
In truth transport is a small factor in most goods, so I wouldn’t think it’ll be drastic. But delays in the supply chain for the likes of Honda 350 trucks a day! are more worrying.
These electronic systems you mention aren’t yet there are they? Could be after a two year transition?
If and when these systems are built, up and running, they will need customs staff to administer them, agents and clerks to input data etc, and they’ll all went paying.
Remember how we all wept for those poor Clearing Agents and Douane when we lost the T2s?
We didn’t, did we. We were glad to see them gone. They’ll be back soon. You may not see them in portakabins on truck parks, with manual typewriters, but they will still be making money.
At end of t’day it’s thee’n’me as’ll foot t’bill.
cav551:
Yanis Varoufakis was a remainer but most of what he is saying here is a very strong argument for having as little to do with the EU as possible.
Over Xmas I finally! finished reading Adults in the Room by Varoufakis. It’s a very interesting indictment of the EU from a Europhile. It’s well worth reading, if a bit weighty.
Better add that to my list.
I think the Alan Partridge book I received for Xmas will be a lot more laughs though.
As I understand it - it won’t be as bad as it used to be as we will only have to enter the EU once - not every single country like it used to be.
Thank god for the EU & just one border & Currency to deal with - used to be a nightmare beforehand - working out currencies / transits / permits (bent or a bottle of whisky) etc. etc.
Gidders:
Buzzer.It’s a good job Franglais is a good natured lad for not commenting after you put an “e” after his handle!
He’s not the only one for giving Franglais the ‘operation’. [emoji38]
I can only assure you all that I have something more than spelling to be going on with… quite a bite in fact.
No photographic evidence is about to be provided though, promise.
One further are point to my previous post:
Buzzer suggests, as do many politicians that electronically registered documents will ensure frictionless borders.
Well the Swiss are currently in close agreements with the EU. They are closer the EU than we will be if we have a WTO exit. Trucks are delayed on the border or at inland Customs depots there.
Is it reasonable to expect a WTO UK, with less tight ties, to have an easier, quicker border than they have?
I think the answer is the difference between Mr Franglais and Ms Franglaise…bllx.
ramone:
Ha ha do you live in the real world do you walk around with your eyes shut , representing whats good for them not the people of this country who voted to leave ffs
You asked, I answered. If you want to dismantle the parliamentary system and rule by referenda, start a new party. Otherwise, those are the facts.
The facts are wr voted to leave and ever since that vote we have had mp after mp trying to scupper what wr voted for
Funny how they are all puffing out their pompous chests and being so much more concerned with being called names and shouted at in the street, rather than the fact that any terrorist now knows that all he has to do is buy a drone so he can drop hand grenades into a football crowd or crash it into an A380 loading at an airport terminal, or while it is refuelling and we have no way of stopping him.
cav551:
Funny how they are all puffing out their pompous chests and being so much more concerned with being called names and shouted at in the street, rather than the fact that any terrorist now knows that all he has to do is buy a drone so he can drop hand grenades into a football crowd or crash it into an A380 loading at an airport terminal, or while it is refuelling and we have no way of stopping him.
cav551:
Funny how they are all puffing out their pompous chests and being so much more concerned with being called names and shouted at in the street, rather than the fact that any terrorist now knows that all he has to do is buy a drone so he can drop hand grenades into a football crowd or crash it into an A380 loading at an airport terminal, or while it is refuelling and we have no way of stopping him.
They really don’t get how much we despise them.
I heard one protester on the news saying she was called a facist in parliment by the poor mp who has recieved some abuse .She quite rightly said what right has she got to call me a facist but im not allowed to reply by calling her a ■■■■ .
cav551:
Funny how they are all puffing out their pompous chests and being so much more concerned with being called names and shouted at in the street, rather than the fact that any terrorist now knows that all he has to do is buy a drone so he can drop hand grenades into a football crowd or crash it into an A380 loading at an airport terminal, or while it is refuelling and we have no way of stopping him.
They really don’t get how much we despise them.
I heard one protester on the news saying she was called a facist in parliment by the poor mp who has recieved some abuse .She quite rightly said what right has she got to call me a facist but im not allowed to reply by calling her a ■■■■ .
The same right that gives MPs the right to smoke in the workplace and evade all alcohol rules.
We can’t (rightly) drive after a couple drinks, they get to make choices, affecting millions of people for decades, after consuming bottles of plonk.
Franglais:
The same right that gives MPs the right to smoke in the workplace and evade all alcohol rules.
We can’t (rightly) drive after a couple drinks, they get to make choices, affecting millions of people for decades, after consuming bottles of plonk.
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You sure about that Franglais? I know they have the privelege of speaking freely in the House without fear of legal action, but the alcohol rules only apply within the place too. And the checks and balances are there to avoid extreme measures under the influence, and certainly they are subject to the same drink and drive rules as the rest of us.
Franglais:
The same right that gives MPs the right to smoke in the workplace and evade all alcohol rules.
We can’t (rightly) drive after a couple drinks, they get to make choices, affecting millions of people for decades, after consuming bottles of plonk.
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You sure about that Franglais? I know they have the privelege of speaking freely in the House without fear of legal action, but the alcohol rules only apply within the place too. And the checks and balances are there to avoid extreme measures under the influence, and certainly they are subject to the same drink and drive rules as the rest of us.
Yep. I certainly got that wrong.
Hands up. Guilty.
About the only thing I did get right, is that MPs don’t need a breath test when voting or speaking.
Franglais:
The same right that gives MPs the right to smoke in the workplace and evade all alcohol rules.
We can’t (rightly) drive after a couple drinks, they get to make choices, affecting millions of people for decades, after consuming bottles of plonk.
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You sure about that Franglais? I know they have the privelege of speaking freely in the House without fear of legal action, but the alcohol rules only apply within the place too. And the checks and balances are there to avoid extreme measures under the influence, and certainly they are subject to the same drink and drive rules as the rest of us.
Yep. I certainly got that wrong.
Hands up. Guilty.
About the only thing I did get right, is that MPs don’t need a breath test when voting or speaking.
No doubt whoops of joy in some quarters. As is pointed out in the article it has been clear that the political establishment has been determined to scupper Brexit. They will clamour and vote for a second referendum not because they think that the mood of the nation has changed, but because it is what they and their business backers want. They will be all smarmy smiles and lies about listening to the country and ■■■■■■■■ the national interest, but it is their own pockets they are solely interested in.
They hold every one of us in complete contempt anyway, now even more because we voted for the ‘wrong answer’, but will claim they are giving us the choice when they know full well that if there was to be a referendum about bringing back hanging and flogging, then the public would vote yes, which is why they will never allow that to go to the electorate.
I hope I am wrong but as I have all along, I still predict massive violence if the electorate are betrayed by the politicians.
> cav551: > I hope I am wrong but as I have all along, I still predict massive violence if the electorate are betrayed by the politicians.
That is the worrying thing CAV - Brexit has always been the baby of the more Violent tendencies & sympathies - you only have to read many of the posts on this thread or the Right-wing press: Sun, Mail etc…
Hopefully - whatever the outcome the Majority in Britain will come together for the common good & keep the violent minority at bay
(bent or a bottle of whisky) etc. etc.
