K Mills,Did you by any chance go to visit a guy called Ron Davies who lives in Kanchanaburi ,an old ME mate of mine.
Edit.Sorry should have said lived as he died a while ago.
kmills:
1903.jpg[/attachment]This is the Commonwealth War Cemetry in Kanchanaburi, Thailand.
Where?, you might ask.
This is where thousands of young men from Britain & the Commonwealth are buried, after suffering horrendous deaths at the hands of the Japanese, whilst working as Prisoners of War, building the Thai - Burma railway.
Have you been there, Buzzer, Cf, Dennis& others?
I went there last year, & visited the adjoining military museum.
It brought tears to my eyes.
This is why the EU was formed…
No the EU was formed to replace one dictatorial Reich run by unelected megalomaniacs, stamping out the right of self determination in Europe,with another.On that note stop trying to hijack the casualties of WW2 and what they were supposedly fighting for and watch this instead.No surprise which side you’d be on and it ain’t the secessionist one.Replace JNA with Juncker’s private EU army which like all Federal armies is there first and foremost to crush Nationalist dissent and in the EU’s case when not looking for trouble with Russia.Peace bs.
youtube.com/watch?v=sF-7ztno0hU
As for my stake I’d consider a family connection with someone who died for the Nationalist cause against Federalist tyranny and the resulting scattering of the family trumps what you’ve posted there.
Bewick:
gazsa401:
Well done Gaz turning this Referendum ballot paper up ! What could be more simpler “in or out” !! But obviously the “Establishment” would have preferred to have added at the bottom of the ballot " Be warned, if we don’t get the “right result” you will have to keep voting until we are satisfied with the result" !!
Isn’t it amusing to hear the Sad losing Remainers whining about the need for a second Referendum but what would their response be when they get the same result ? Oh! no matter they just carry on whining for a third and a fourth et al ! The [zb] will never give up ! Cheers Bewick.
Thanks Dennis and Buzzer I can remember my day at the ballot box on referendum day I asked for a pen and the reply I got was what for
So I said so you can’t rub my cross out
The “Remainers” do seem to be getting their underwear in a right dishevelled knot !! I voted against joining what was called the EEC in 1975 when I was 28 years old ! and over the past 40 odd years my opinion has only hardened against our membership of what is now moving towards the creation of a European Superstate and is far removed from the “Trading” organisation we were asked to believe it was in 1975 ! However, I would like to lay to rest two “Red Herrings” that are constantly being trotted out, the first is this bollox about the EU being responsible for avoiding another European war ! Can one of the misguided and blinkered Remainers pleases explain to me who, after Germany got a right pasting in WW2 who, in Europe, would have kicked off again in the late 40’s/50’s & 60’s ? I’m damned sure it wouldn’t have been the Gerry’s or le Frog ! And this perpetual bollox of “look at all the funding the UK receives from the EU” well lest we forget the UK have always been a net contributor to the EU Gravy train so in essence we were just getting SOME of our substantial, annual, contributions back with the balance being squandered by and handed out to the Free loaders of Eastern Europe and not forgetting the Southern Irish who have been in receipt of substantial funds from the EU, continuously, since they joined ! But I understand that The Paddies are now not very happy as the “gravy” is stopping and they will now become net contributors !
Finally, what has the unfortunate loss of life of the many thousands of Servicemen that lost their lives fighting both the Germans and the Japanese in WW2 got to do with the Lilly Livered EU ! And just for the record I am, and always have been most respectful of the Servicemen that gave their lives in the two World wars and I will continue to observe this fact every year. So I take exception to our Glorious Dead being used by “Remainers” as an excuse to justify their misguided attempt to keep us in the ■■■■■ heap called the EU !
Cheers Bewick.
You’ve got a way with words Dennis , and every one to the point and spot on . You echo my sentiments exactly , but the remoaners keep trying to shows the error of our ways . They have more chance of plaiting fog as far as I’m concerned , bloody stupid brainwashed liberal mardarses . Perhaps all the non jobs that have appeared via the EU will be under threat after Brexit , although there is always enough work to go round if only people would get off there bums and get their hands dirty .
As I recall,the EU has precious little to do with peace in Europe or anywhere else.That is down to NATO.
When GB first joined the Common Market it was a trading organisation based on the original Benelux countries and then expanding.Now it has developed into the corrupt,anti democratic regime we now have which is run by people who are unelected by anyone other than their cronies.
I also resent bringing the dead of 2 world wars into this discussion.It is irrelevant and would have been resented by my dad(ex soldier WW2)and he would have been disgusted by our lying self serving politicians who are desperate to sell out our country lock stock and barrel.
Similarly,why are so many usually younger people and general snowflakes and the BBC always denigrating our former empire and history.We were not the only country involved in slavery e.g.It wasn’t nice particularly through 21st.century eyes.We were not the only country to have an empire either and we all know you don’t build a worldwide empire by being nice to people.Islamists always cite the British Empire as a cause of their discontent,presumably the Ottoman Empire was a socialist paradise then.Perhaps we should claim compo of Italy because the Romans gave us a hard time.
bigstraight6:
Buzzer:
bigstraight6:
whisperingsmith:
Watching and occasionally posting on this thread, the Brexit supporters remind me of the Nazis, Gestapo & SS that I heard of growing up after 1947.Father was bomber command & never felt happy after taking part in the Dresden Fire Bomb Raid - but relieved it was all over
27 or so years later (70s) crossing from Germany to Austria (Vice Versa) or disputes at filling stations we learnt that to accuse the awkward ones of being SS or Gestapo usually brought tears and an apology.
It hurts me to see from the Bexit Supporting posts here that the Anglo Saxons have taken on the ■■■■ mantle & are now the biggest danger to unity in Europe and maybe even worse.
I feel for my father and those of his generation from The UK, Poland, France, India, Africa, Fiji etc. etc who risked or laid down their lives to be free of Tyranny - did they expect rich Etonians and the British version of the Nazis to arise.
I think not!!
SHAME ON YOU ALL - where is your humanity or care for your fellow man regardless of Creed or Colour
This is a disgraceful post and the individual responsible should be banned from this forum.
There a bit slow and backward in Cornwall, you have to make allowances for some of them, this thread was about hearing opinions on Brexit what ever way you voted but this is a direct slur on the 17 million that voted to leave the EU which wants to rule all the member states and have total control very similar to Hitler as this was his mission too.
I’m Cornish Buzzer, none taken!
I do agree entirely with you as indeed most working class people down here would, I don’t think ‘Whisperingnonsense’ is Cornish, I’d certainly like to see him shouting out his bile in the centre of Redruth and watch the response…
Sorry " bigstraight6 " meant no slur on you but in 73 I past my class one test in Cornwall and stayed on for a year doing long distance from there with a ( bigstraight6 ) in the form of a 180 Gardener in a GUY Big J so I do understand the general pace of workers in Cornwall, lovely place in the winter not so good when full of grockall’s in the summertime, the other thing I noticed if you aint born there you aint Cornish but that goes with the territory , cheers Buzzer.
Now the remoaneers are claiming that the lack of WW 3 starting is down to their precious EU. Balderdash. That would be why the megalomaniacs want their own army then? So the threat of the H bomb and the potential consequences for one’s own people of launching one against a neighbouring country only a few miles away has got nothing to do with it of course?
In fact we are probably lucky that it hasn’t started anyway considering the mess Britain and France made of the Middle East because traditionally we can’t stand one another. Oh I nearly forgot, it wasn’t French ambitions in Indo China that became the killing fields of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.
Bewick:
I take exception to our Glorious Dead being used by “Remainers” as an excuse to justify their misguided attempt to keep us in the [zb] heap called the EU !
Cheers Bewick.
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Let’s call these lying scumbags what they are Soviet style Federalists using whatever tactics and lies they can get away with to get what they want in putting Europe under the jackboot of yet another dictatorial Soviet style Reich.No surprise that the disgusting lie,that Brit forces were supposedly fighting for a European 4th Reich,to replace the German Federation’s 3rd Reich,obviously being part of that insidious agenda.
When the truth is it all kicked off in defence of Polish National Sovereignty against expansionist Federal aggression in whatever form.No surprise there either.
cav551:
Now the remoaneers are claiming that the lack of WW 3 starting is down to their precious EU. Balderdash.
To be fair that lie has been a consistent linch pin of the EU Federalist agenda since Churchill called for a USE ( EU ) to replace the 3rd Reich.Not to mention an excuse also used by Heath in contradiction with his own lies that we were only supposedly joining a ‘common market’.When Powell told it like it is.
Gidders:
As I recall,the EU has precious little to do with peace in Europe or anywhere else.That is down to NATO.
When GB first joined the Common Market it was a trading organisation based on the original Benelux countries and then expanding.Now it has developed into the corrupt,anti democratic regime we now have which is run by people who are unelected by anyone other than their cronies.
I also resent bringing the dead of 2 world wars into this discussion.It is irrelevant and would have been resented by my dad(ex soldier WW2)and he would have been disgusted by our lying self serving politicians who are desperate to sell out our country lock stock and barrel.
Similarly,why are so many usually younger people and general snowflakes and the BBC always denigrating our former empire and history.We were not the only country involved in slavery e.g.It wasn’t nice particularly through 21st.century eyes.We were not the only country to have an empire either and we all know you don’t build a worldwide empire by being nice to people.Islamists always cite the British Empire as a cause of their discontent,presumably the Ottoman Empire was a socialist paradise then.Perhaps we should claim compo of Italy because the Romans gave us a hard time.
Just like the British, the French, Dutch, Spanish, Germans and even the Belgians had ’ Empires’ and what has become of them? all gone; well not quite, the former British empire survives in some way as the Commonwealth of Nations, more than can be said for the rest.
Out of interest Carryfast - were you Home Guard or did you experience active service??
whisperingsmith:
Out of interest Carryfast - were you Home Guard or did you experience active service??
Way too young for WW2 and Korea and like most of those who served in WW2,including my Father, wouldn’t have joined up through choice only if I was called up.Ironically partly on the advice of my Father who told me to not be naive and stupid enough to think that I could join up as a driver first and soldier second.
How is that relevant regarding your lies and attempt to re write history to suggest that WW2 was anything other than the defence of Europe’s Nation States,which by definition means the sovereign independent right to govern themselves,against the aggression and tyranny of the 3rd Reich being just another form of dictatorial centralised government system which trampled all over the right of self determination of those States.Just as the Deutscher Bund did before it.Now awaits your claim that German Federalism didn’t actually add to the destabilisation of Europe in that regard.Just as the stinking EU and it’s similar rush towards dictatorial centralised government will.With a Soviet/Yugoslav style Federal Army whose job is first and foremost to impose the will of the locally unelected Federal government throughout Europe on a one size/policy fits all basis ignoring the right of self determination of the Nation States which have been hijacked to form the monster.If not picking a fight with Russia in a disastrous attempt to justify its own existence.Some peace.
Dennis, the point of me mentioning the Uk & Commonwealth servicemen who died in various parts of the world, is that they died as a result of conflict started in Europe.
I’m certainly not ‘gloryfying’ these servicemen - but a fact is a fact.
Also, I agree with your points re the ‘gravy running out’ - I just think there are better ways to fix things.
Also- to those who disagree with the reason for the formation of the EU - again chaps, check the facts.
And again, to those who think that Nato was formed to maintain peace within Europe - once again chaps, check the facts.
Facts are facts - rhetoric is not.
Cheers Keith
whisperingsmith:
Out of interest Carryfast - were you Home Guard or did you experience active service??
Perhaps first it would be more appropriate to tell us all what you did for King or Queen of our country before trying to mock CF, don’t think you are going to make him look a prat as even I think he is far too intelligent for you to succeed on that mission, personal attacks only make you look the prat not him, Buzzer
kmills:
Dennis, the point of me mentioning the Uk & Commonwealth servicemen who died in various parts of the world, is that they died as a result of conflict started in Europe.
I’m certainly not ‘gloryfying’ these servicemen - but a fact is a fact.
Also, I agree with your points re the ‘gravy running out’ - I just think there are better ways to fix things.
Also- to those who disagree with the reason for the formation of the EU - again chaps, check the facts.
And again, to those who think that Nato was formed to maintain peace within Europe - once again chaps, check the facts.
Facts are facts - rhetoric is not.
Cheers Keith
I’ll tell you the one and only relevant FACT Keith and that is both the French and the Germans do not like the British and they never have and never will— period. So how can we ever be an important constituent of mainland Europe and hope we can effectively bring about long overdue change to the “pile of manure” that is the EU ? No we ■■■■ well can’t nor will we be ever be able to so accept this fact as “Gospel”. The only thing the French and Germans want from the UK is our substantial annual contributions which disappear into the financial black hole, “thank you very much UK” otherwise you can go and ■■■■ yourselves !! Cheers Dennis
Gidders:
As I recall,the EU has precious little to do with peace in Europe or anywhere else.That is down to NATO.
When GB first joined the Common Market it was a trading organisation based on the original Benelux countries and then expanding.Now it has developed into the corrupt,anti democratic regime we now have which is run by people who are unelected by anyone other than their cronies.
I also resent bringing the dead of 2 world wars into this discussion.It is irrelevant and would have been resented by my dad(ex soldier WW2)and he would have been disgusted by our lying self serving politicians who are desperate to sell out our country lock stock and barrel.
Similarly,why are so many usually younger people and general snowflakes and the BBC always denigrating our former empire and history.We were not the only country involved in slavery e.g.It wasn’t nice particularly through 21st.century eyes.We were not the only country to have an empire either and we all know you don’t build a worldwide empire by being nice to people.Islamists always cite the British Empire as a cause of their discontent,presumably the Ottoman Empire was a socialist paradise then.Perhaps we should claim compo of Italy because the Romans gave us a hard time.
Well said “Gidders” I agree with your post wholeheartedly ! Cheers Bewick.
whisperingsmith:
Out of interest Carryfast - were you Home Guard or did you experience active service??
Please don’t attempt to “take the ■■■■” out of my mucker “CF” Whispering as he is a match for you and your Remainer colleagues any day ! Bewick.
Buzzer:
whisperingsmith:
Out of interest Carryfast - were you Home Guard or did you experience active service??Perhaps first it would be more appropriate to tell us all what you did for King or Queen of our country before trying to mock CF, don’t think you are going to make him look a prat as even I think he is far too intelligent for you to succeed on that mission, personal attacks only make you look the prat not him, Buzzer
[/quote]Fair shout Buzzer, as a lad I had no doubt about the supremacy of the British or doing my bit for Queen & Country or ever doubted it at the time.
Looking back I can’t see any evidence that much of it was for Queen & Country but what is etched on my mind is as a teenager 1965/67 running up the Mekong in Vietnam with Aviation Spirit and the absolute madness of war.
kmills:
Dennis, the point of me mentioning the Uk & Commonwealth servicemen who died in various parts of the world, is that they died as a result of conflict started in Europe.
Yes conflict started by the aggression of the 3rd Reich,which evolved from the Deutsches Reich founded in 1871,against firstly the right of self determination and sovereignty of Czechoslovakia then Poland.Might as well add the aggression of Napoleon’s attempts to build a ‘united’ Europe and Tito’s even more amateur attempts at social engineering in the form of the Yugoslav Federation.In which case how do you equate Federation with peace ?.When even the corrupted US constitution resulted in more American casualties than WW1,2,Korea and Vietnam combined to enforce it on the secessionist states.No doubt your Federalist ideology would call the Nationalists/Secessionists defending their homelands and the right to govern themselves the aggressors in that.
While your logic is the same as dealing with a threatening violent belligerent neighbour by offering him a share in the equity/ownership of your house and taking down the garden fences so that he can use your drive way to park his car and use your back garden for his own use and to entertain his friends during the summer.As opposed to the normal situation of friends with fences.If that’s good enough for our own society then why not between countries.
But then you knew all that in just using the lie that the dictatorial Federal government system supposedly means peace,to foist what you really want ( the Elitist Federal Europe and Socialist EUSSR hybrid that Monnet and Altiero Spinelli dreamed of ) on the people of Europe by the deliberate slow erosion and eventual removal of their established Nations and self determination.