You may remember this shot of the 1974 Amsterdam auto rai showing NGC No. 46 on the register.
Well, eagle-eyed ‘Pv83’ posted on the heavy haulage thread this morning, the following pic of the heavy haulage trailer next door to it and noticed that the NGC shows to the left of the picture:
Enjoy!
Rowena
pv83:
Has this one been posted before?
Yes pv83. It worked on UK plates for Estra BV of Rotterdam on Calor contract. Unit had pet-regs treatment.
Nice new one posted by ‘dhtriydh’ on the Trans Arabia thread. Taken in Jeddah apparently. Can’t identify which NGC though.
ERF-NGC-European:
Nice new one posted by ‘dhtriydh’ on the Trans Arabia thread. Taken in Jeddah apparently. Can’t identify which NGC though.0
Hi Ro that 7MW is fleet number 139 because it was the only one with no aircon on the roof
cookie1:
ERF-NGC-European:
Nice new one posted by ‘dhtriydh’ on the Trans Arabia thread. Taken in Jeddah apparently. Can’t identify which NGC though.Hi Ro that 7MW is fleet number 139 because it was the only one with no aircon on the roof
Brilliant! 
Thanks Jerry. Quick response too! So that was the Slappendel unit. It’s still a mystery to me how it is believed to have delivered an overland load to Jeddah and ended up being bought up by TA, sent home by ship for reburbishment at Aldridge and pressed into service in Saudi. Ron put some cracking ‘before and after’ pics of it on page 66 of the Trans Arabia some time ago.
Ro
EDIT. Here are a couple more posted by dhtriyadh:
I reckon this one is TA 108 because of the distinctive decoration both inside and outside the cab:
And this is probably TA 139 again because it has no Kysor box on the roof:
But if you look carefully, there is another NGC without a Kysor partially hidden by the vehicles in the foreground.
Ro
ERF-NGC-European:
I reckon this one is TA 108 because of the distinctive decoration both inside and outside the cab:1
And this is probably TA 139 again because it has no Kysor box on the roof:
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But if you look carefully, there is another NGC without a Kysor partially hidden by the vehicles in the foreground.
Ro
Hi Ro that unit is fleet number 124 my Dad picked it up from Felixtowe it was a second hand one with a 335 and a 9 speed fuller
cookie1:
ERF-NGC-European:
I reckon this one is TA 108 because of the distinctive decoration both inside and outside the cab:1
And this is probably TA 139 again because it has no Kysor box on the roof:
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But if you look carefully, there is another NGC without a Kysor partially hidden by the vehicles in the foreground.
Ro
Hi Ro that unit is fleet number 124 my Dad picked it up from Felixtowe it was a second hand one with a 335 and a 9 speed fuller
Cheers Cookie! I thought you might know! . That’ll be the one he picked up along with TA126 then; I remember him telling me about the journey back to the yard and the overhanging trees.
Here’s a sudden turn up for the books!!
TWO new NGCs entirely (to us on here, at least)! Both French registered. Cookie’s just sent me them. He found them on the internet somewhere on flikr, I think.
I’ve posted both pictures on here to see if the “NGC Army” can help match an operator to either of them. One of them has a distinctive painted pattern on the bumper which I’m sure I’ve seen elsewhere.
Their numbers are: 9744RA14 and 373KJ59.
For now, at least, I’ll designate them Nos. 94 and 95 on the register.
Here are the images:
I found the Flickr pages with those pics on:
flickr.com/photos/65005481@ … 62252@N25/
flickr.com/photos/65005481@ … 62252@N25/
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anorak:
I found the Flickr pages with those pics on:
flickr.com/photos/65005481@ … 62252@N25/
flickr.com/photos/65005481@ … 62252@N25/
Blimey that was quick! Well done! And thank you.
The brief caption for 373KJ59 suggests that it might have become a fairground lorry by the time it was photographed. I can’t match any of the French NGCs to it but it is possible that the red and white unit we argued over early in the thread could be the one. We were not sure which country it belonged to because it was new and hadn’t been registered. Its Savoyard tilt hints at a French background. Here’s the picture:
Looking at the pics I would say that they were both tractive units rather than drawbar outfits. So looking at my register, we have a number of French NGCs for which we have no number plates:
No 35: Luff Transport (LTL)
No 77: P Brame of Wintzenheim
No 92: Roland Dussaillant, 38 Voiron
No 93: Transport Roland Garbez, 62 Bourlon
If you disagree with me and think 373KJ59 might be a drawbar we have, with no number plates:
No 59: Transports Gentiluccy Freres, Gennevilliers / Villeneuve La Garenne (Paris)
No 78: White draw-bar outfit reported by the Italian transport photographer / historian Alberto Pesanti
No 79: Ditto
No 83: Transports Jacquemin, Chalons-sur-Marne
Of course, these two pictures could be none of the above; but it’s a start!
Rowena
And if 373KJ59 was ultimately operated by a French showman, I wonder if it was the same one who operated this LHD B-series on the showground circuit:
ERF-NGC-European:
Looking at the pics I would say that they were both tractive units rather than drawbar outfits. So looking at my register, we have a number of French NGCs for which we have no number plates:No 35: Luff Transport (LTL)
No 77: P Brame of Wintzenheim
No 92: Roland Dussaillant, 38 Voiron
No 93: Transport Roland Garbez, 62 BourlonIf you disagree with me and think 373KJ59 might be a drawbar we have, with no number plates:
No 59: Transports Gentiluccy Freres, Gennevilliers / Villeneuve La Garenne (Paris)
No 78: White draw-bar outfit reported by the Italian transport photographer / historian Alberto Pesanti
No 79: Ditto
No 83: Transports Jacquemin, Chalons-sur-MarneOf course, these two pictures could be none of the above; but it’s a start!
Rowena
Rowena,
First of all …very good research and Jerry did a great job diving into history!
To my opinion, I don’t know very much…373KJ59 is a registration of 59-region, which we know of with Loste of Lille, but the location could also be Dunkerque or another place in Normandie. In 1950 registrations in France had 3 first number, in 1957 even with 4 first numbers. Unfortunately still no news on the ERF-distributor in Steenvoorde (who could have supplied the chassis) but we remain patient.
On 9744RA14 its plate indicates Paris-region and more specific close to The Louvre, a bit South of that museum.
Will put some rods/angles in various ponds and hope we will catch some small or even big fishes.
Take care nowadays…A-J
ERF-NGC-European:
Here’s a sudden turn up for the books!!TWO new NGCs entirely (to us on here, at least)! Both French registered. Cookie’s just sent me them. He found them on the internet somewhere on flikr, I think.
I’ve posted both pictures on here to see if the “NGC Army” can help match an operator to either of them. One of them has a distinctive painted pattern on the bumper which I’m sure I’ve seen elsewhere.Their numbers are: 9744RA14 and 373KJ59.
For now, at least, I’ll designate them Nos. 94 and 95 on the register.
Here are the images:
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Well done Cookie !!! 
Good find.
I told you there were more than 91 Ro ! 
The top one with the container is from the Calvados area in Normandy. From memory was the blue tractor unit parked by a wall from
Normandy ■■ Shame there is no name on it,possibly an owner driver ■■ As far as i am aware Cherbourg has never been a container port
but i dont know if containers went into Le havre which may be a clue as to who the haulier could be ■■
The second one looks like it might be parked in a market looking at the two vans ? Difficult to judge the distance from the cab to the
white van to try and work out if a rigid or artic ? Pictures can be so deceiving. Looks like the ERF badge has been painted ?
Intresting deveopment.
ERF-Continental:
ERF-NGC-European:
Looking at the pics I would say that they were both tractive units rather than drawbar outfits. So looking at my register, we have a number of French NGCs for which we have no number plates:No 35: Luff Transport (LTL)
No 77: P Brame of Wintzenheim
No 92: Roland Dussaillant, 38 Voiron
No 93: Transport Roland Garbez, 62 BourlonIf you disagree with me and think 373KJ59 might be a drawbar we have, with no number plates:
No 59: Transports Gentiluccy Freres, Gennevilliers / Villeneuve La Garenne (Paris)
No 78: White draw-bar outfit reported by the Italian transport photographer / historian Alberto Pesanti
No 79: Ditto
No 83: Transports Jacquemin, Chalons-sur-MarneOf course, these two pictures could be none of the above; but it’s a start!
Rowena
Rowena,
First of all …very good research and Jerry did a great job diving into history!
To my opinion, I don’t know very much…373KJ59 is a registration of 59-region, which we know of with Loste of Lille, but the location could also be Dunkerque or another place in Normandie. In 1950 registrations in France had 3 first number, in 1957 even with 4 first numbers. Unfortunately still no news on the ERF-distributor in Steenvoorde (who could have supplied the chassis) but we remain patient.
On 9744RA14 its plate indicates Paris-region and more specific close to The Louvre, a bit South of that museum.
Will put some rods/angles in various ponds and hope we will catch some small or even big fishes.
Take care nowadays…A-J
Thanks for your interest and your contribution, A-J. Let’s hope some of the fish bite your rods and lines. I suppose it would have been more helpful if the pictures had been in colour, which would have given us a livery perhaps. But let’s be grateful for what we have!
Stay safe.
Rowena
DEANB:
ERF-NGC-European:
Here’s a sudden turn up for the books!!TWO new NGCs entirely (to us on here, at least)! Both French registered. Cookie’s just sent me them. He found them on the internet somewhere on flikr, I think.
I’ve posted both pictures on here to see if the “NGC Army” can help match an operator to either of them. One of them has a distinctive painted pattern on the bumper which I’m sure I’ve seen elsewhere.Their numbers are: 9744RA14 and 373KJ59.
For now, at least, I’ll designate them Nos. 94 and 95 on the register.
Here are the images:
10
Well done Cookie !!!
I told you there were more than 91 Ro !
The top one with the container is from the Calvados area in Normandy. From memory was the blue tractor unit parked by a wall from
Normandy ■■ Shame there is no name on it,possibly an owner driver ■■ As far as i am aware Cherbourg has never been a container port
but i dont know if containers went into Le havre which may be a clue as to who the haulier could be ■■The second one looks like it might be parked in a market looking at the two vans ? Difficult to judge the distance from the cab to the
white van to try and work out if a rigid or artic ? Pictures can be so deceiving. Looks like the ERF badge has been painted ?Intresting deveopment.
The top one 9744RA14, could be undertaking non-container port duties. I occasionally hauled containers on general haulage, or on port-traction or just on trailer change-overs. As for the blue one by the wall: it was No. 43 (3987RM50) .
The second one, 373KJ59, could well be on a market site, as the caption suggested it had now become a fairground lorry (which might account for the painted badge). I’ve driven both drawbars and artics and that does look to me like an artic, given the perspective foreshortening.
As for more than 91 : nice try, Dean! There’s still plenty of slack in the 91 system to account for these two scoundrels yet!
Rowena
With regard to the one below: if it is indeed with a fairground operator at the time of being photographed, it may well be that the livery is a showman’s one and so it may not reflect any general haulage company in France. The livery may prove to be a bit of a red herring unless we can find out which showman operated it!
