bubsy06:
[quote=“orys”And also hears an article on British workers losing out to migrant workers.
British workers DO lose out to migrants, reveal official figures | Daily Mail Online
[/quote]I would search for some statistics later. That can be true in some way…
But then I would ask you: What’s better for Britain: if people are coming here to work, even if they are sending money back home, but they are paying taxes here, buying food, energy, petrol, reenting flats, going to pubs etc OR if british factories will be closed and moved totally to Poland (as they did recently with this flat screen TV factory from East Kilbride)?
orys:
I would search for some statistics later. That can be true in some way…But then I would ask you: What’s better for Britain: if people are coming here to work, even if they are sending money back home, but they are paying taxes here, buying food, energy, petrol, reenting flats, going to pubs etc OR if british factories will be closed and moved totally to Poland (as they did recently with this flat screen TV factory from East Kilbride)?
Well obviously they should be coming here cos there are thousands of bone idol uk workers that prefer claiming benefits, If the goverment forced them to work or lose money then we would not need migrants to come here. I cant believe the polish goverment do the right thing by making people work and the uk goverment doesnt. Also british factorys are either closing or moving abroad anyway they just cant afford to run in this country anymore.
nick2008:
I dont know how true this is
A worker in a well known supermarket told me that one of the girls working there was off back home ( not Poland or eastern block or EU country ) and that she could claim all or most of her Income tax back for the time she has worked here
Anyone know if thats right
I live in France but work in the UK, the ruling for me, in order to get a total tax refund, is this:-
- I must be in the UK, working or otherwise, no more than 183 days in a year (travelling days to and from the UK are not included),
so even if I am there visiting friends/family, it’s included. - Over a period of 4 years the time spent in the UK, working or otherwise, must not average more than 91 days per year.
so I can be here 1 year 180 days, but the other years in the 4 year period have to be greatly reduced.
Also I have to declare here in France, what I have earned in the UK,
so what about them lot working and our people not working they should be sacked to make way for our people then if they aint working 14 days later they must go home and why the need for laptops on the dash imagine if we took a motor for test with so much as a paper in the screen,
I do know how the poles feel.try getting work in scotland when your english.
The world should be plain and simple… Born in a country stay in that country… Want to move abroad? Have enough money to do so and not put others out.
I can understand why people move here, better wages, better healthcare, dentist etc etc… But whilst its great for MIGRANTS moving here its putting a lot of UK BRITISH people out of work…
A more simple way of putting it is:-
Mr Poland and his family live in a 5 bedroom home. Mr UK has no-where to stay so decides to open Mr Polands house door and kick out Mr Polands son into the street whilst MR UK moves into his room…
Thats it, cant be hard to understand?? The fact is, no matter where your from, if your not born here but have moved here you have more than likely put someone out of a job due to your own country not being good enough…
they tell me there are lots of them driving uk motors out off teesport killingholme hull etc whats it like in scotland, i know ireland is full of them, any welsh lads tell me whats it like in wales,
V8 Passion:
they tell me there are lots of them driving uk motors out off teesport killingholme hull etc whats it like in scotland, i know ireland is full of them, any welsh lads tell me whats it like in wales,
We have a lot of immigrants in Wales too…mostly English.
Ader1:
V8 Passion:
they tell me there are lots of them driving uk motors out off teesport killingholme hull etc whats it like in scotland, i know ireland is full of them, any welsh lads tell me whats it like in wales,We have a lot of immigrants in Wales too…mostly English.
Ace 
You ain’t from around here are y’boy…
some of you dogooders cant see the wood through the trees.
the welsh love the english. 
Sadly you’re about 35 years too late. As soon as a bloke called Ted signed us into the “Common market” all of this became inevitable, imho. No ammount of name calling is gonna change that, or voting in the “opposition”. They’re here because we’re all European’s now, not a sovereign country. Well, in name only. Just another bitter pill to swallow. Get used to it !
scottishcruiser:
Mr Poland and his family live in a 5 bedroom home. Mr UK has no-where to stay so decides to open Mr Polands house door and kick out Mr Polands son into the street whilst MR UK moves into his room…
You live in cloud cuckoo land…cuckoo might be a very appropriate word here…
Ok, here’s the other side of the coin,
The likes of Orys are sitting at home in Poland, not a lot of prospects for the future, no jobs, poor wages etc. They read in the paper about Britain having a shortage of workers so they pack their bags & come over to work & provide a better life for themselves & their family, so far so good, the only thing is, England never had a shortage of people to do these jobs, what it had a shortage of was people that were WILLING to get off their lazy fat arse & go to work. Now we have a recession is it right that these WORKERS should give up their jobs & go home? No it isn’t, no way, without them the country would’ve probably gone into recession much sooner.
The scroungers that come over to Britain just to milk the benefit system are another thing, yes, without doubt they should foxtrot oscar to wherever they come from, as should any immigrant who gets convicted of a crime, but those that work for their living should stay.
I’m now an immigrant, I pay tax, I spend the money I earn in & I contribute to the economy of my adopted country, I speak the language (luckily that’s English ) & I don’t try & force my views upon the natives, much the same as the majority of Poles, Czechs etc. I’m made to feel welcome, but then I don’t have to deal with the ignorant British mentality 
newmercman:
Ok, here’s the other side of the coin,The likes of Orys are sitting at home in Poland, not a lot of prospects for the future, no jobs, poor wages etc. They read in the paper about Britain having a shortage of workers so they pack their bags & come over to work & provide a better life for themselves & their family, so far so good, the only thing is, England never had a shortage of people to do these jobs, what it had a shortage of was people that were WILLING to get off their lazy fat arse & go to work. Now we have a recession is it right that these WORKERS should give up their jobs & go home? No it isn’t, no way, without them the country would’ve probably gone into recession much sooner.
The scroungers that come over to Britain just to milk the benefit system are another thing, yes, without doubt they should foxtrot oscar to wherever they come from, as should any immigrant who gets convicted of a crime, but those that work for their living should stay.
I’m now an immigrant, I pay tax, I spend the money I earn in & I contribute to the economy of my adopted country, I speak the language (luckily that’s English
The voice of reason and experience of the British mentality…I am joining you guys in Canada soon 
Not because of the amount of immigrants in the UK, but because of the British attitude towards most things…British people are mostly spineless, lacklustre and whiney ■■■■■ who do not like to work hard, I want to work hard and I have got a job driving with hard manual labour and with decent pay, it is a nearly £200 per week pay cut from what I was getting, but I am happier on the road and getting cardiovascular exercise, than being sat in an office taking home £550 a week and putting up with ■■■■■ from Tesco and Sainsbury`s etc.
Brits, I am leaving the no good culture behind…
ROADRATY:
I do know how the poles feel.try getting work in scotland when your english.
It’s about your common history. Some Scots believe that they are exploitet by English for ages and that’s why they don’t like English. Poles never exploited no-one, we have been rather exploited ourselves, so Scots feel that we have something in common. I never had any problems in Scotland (and I know that my polish friends in England had some problems).
scottishcruiser:
A more simple way of putting it is:-Mr Poland and his family live in a 5 bedroom home. Mr UK has no-where to stay so decides to open Mr Polands house door and kick out Mr Polands son into the street whilst MR UK moves into his room…
That’s really good idea. So I can imagine Mr Spanish or Mr Provançal, who was too lazy all his live to work, and now he just cames to this British homes at the coast, kick the Brits out and move in 
orys:
ROADRATY:
I do know how the poles feel.try getting work in scotland when your english.It’s about your common history. Some Scots believe that they are exploitet by English for ages and that’s why they don’t like English. Poles never exploited no-one, we have been rather exploited ourselves, so Scots feel that we have something in common. I never had any problems in Scotland (and I know that my polish friends in England had some problems).
Exploited by the English, I’d love to be exploited then, they get a lt more from the government than the English at present, they may have got their arses kicked a few times many many years ago but no living Jock has been exploited by the English nation.
Saying that, they are all savages north of the border & I have proof
See they all live in caves up there
newmercman:
Ok, here’s the other side of the coin,
Can I add something to it?
The likes of Orys are sitting at home in Poland, not a lot of prospects for the future, no jobs, poor wages etc. They read in the paper about Britain having a shortage of workers so they pack their bags & come over to work & provide a better life for themselves & their family, so far so good, the only thing is, England never had a shortage of people to do these jobs, what it had a shortage of was people that were WILLING to get off their lazy fat arse & go to work. Now we have a recession is it right that these WORKERS should give up their jobs & go home? No it isn’t, no way, without them the country would’ve probably gone into recession much sooner.
I just want to add: this is not always true, that there is no future in Poland. Many of my friends are doing well there. And here isn’t also the promised land. Here is (or was until the credit crunch came) much easier. So if mr Polish seen that there is plenty of easy job to pick up in UK and Brits don’t want to do that why he should sit at home and work hard, if he can move here and live easier?
Other thing is that for many people Poland is going wrong way due to stupid people on the steer. Now it changed a bit to better after last elections and thanks to that our country is now getting much better. Two years ago I would not go back to Poland at any circumnstances, now I would be able to consider that (as they scrapped national service, some stupid rules etc.). But still I don"t like catolic church to be most powerfull group in Poland, so I prefere to stay here. Your politics aren’t the most smartest sometimes as well, but at least they are not running on the priests’s leash.
The scroungers that come over to Britain just to milk the benefit system are another thing, yes, without doubt they should foxtrot oscar to wherever they come from, as should any immigrant who gets convicted of a crime, but those that work for their living should stay.
I fully agree with you. Only for your information: about 30% of Brits is claiming benefits while only few % of Poles do that. So by proportion there must be much more benefit thieves among Brits then among Poles. And altough your local benefit thieves are your problem, I feel ashamed for this Poles who do that. And I fully agree: if you find any, just kick him in the ■■■ strong enaugh to land him at least in France.
But there is another interesting thing, which should be considered by your goverment:
- Imigrants from Third World country. Go and see the council flats in Glasgow - in the worst areas there are living only people from there. I don’t want to sound racists, but my friends were offered a council flat there and they left it as soon as it was possible - almost no one works there, there are only gangs, drugs, alcohol and troubles. It’s like some ghetto from SF movie…
And then my question: how it’s possible that this my friends, who had a small baby had it so hard to get this council flat, when they are EC citizens, while some guys from Africa are moving straight to that flats after living this camp for illegal imigrants? They even don’t have right to work here, they even don’t have permanent right to stay, and WE ALL (Poles included!) are paying for a living for them?
- Whole social system is a joke. When I had my car accident I was out of work for few weeks and my girl was working part time only. I asked for help, but although I worked here 23 months, I wasn’t entitled to NOTHING, including crisis loadn, which is fully refundable after I would go back on track.
BUT: the advisor in social services recommended me such move: My girl would quit her job, and we would get some join claim, and under rules for joint clamis we will get MORE than she earns!!!
Off course we didn’t did it, as we wanted to work, not to sit on benefits, and I asked my GP to do not give me any more time off of work and I started to work as much as I was able to with my injuries.
What the crazy idea are this social services if instead of helping ME go back on track, they want to put my girl OUT OF HER JOB and put as both on benefits?
- You are too good for all that Pakistani etc. people. I have nothing against them, it’s interesting culture, but I can’t stand that they demand everyone arround to live on their rules. My friend used to work in the bank (yes, not all Poles are drivers or cleaners
) and she got a written warning for setting a wee christmas tree on her desk, as one of her collegues reported to manager that it’s offending for her, as she’s muslim. WTF? She wears this muslim clotches all the time, she is covered all the time and that’s not offend anyone? Or this guy, who sued tesco becouse it wanted him to do his job, which was including movies crates with vodka… Come on.
In my opinion there should be a clear rule:
If you want come and work in Britain/Poland/Germany/whatever you have to speak at least basic English/Polish/German/whatever and you have to fit yourself in British/Polish/German/whatever rules, common laws etc. If you like to live in Polish style, stay in Polish. If you want to live in British style - stay in Britain. If you want to live in Pakistani style - stay in Pakistan. But if you want to live in Britain/Poland/Germany, integrate! Do not forget your own culture and traditions, language, kitchen etc, but first adjust yourself to the society and then do whatever you want at home or in Polish/British/Pakistani club
- Language.
I think it’s waste of money to translate all documentation into all languages of ethnic minorities. It costs a huge amount of money and I can’t see a reason why goverment has to pay for that. Please note, by the way, that you can have it in Urdu, Arab, Punjabi and 20 other exotic language, but you rarely got something in Polish, when there is much more Poles here than many other minorities (even on the MSA’s you have signs in Czech but not in Polish…)
In my opinion: you don’t understand something? Pay yourself for interpreter. That would save a lot of money.
Off course it should work both ways. If you go to Poland, don’t expect Police officer to speak Polish.
- This rule what is talked about recently that if you don’t want to work you are loosing your benefits should be introduced immediately! We have that in Poland and it’s work well. Ok, there can be a situation when unemployed university proffesor will be frying chips in McDonald’s but that’s his problem! If he’s not good enaugh to work on the University, he can fry chips. It’s no shame. In my opinion is a shame to live on the other’s expense.
And if you can’t find any job - die or leave to other country. You can’t contribute to society - why society should pay for your living? There should be some chances - Jobcentre should pay for some courses or wahtever but if such person still struggling to find a job - that’s his problem. And that should apply to all in my opinion, both imigrants and native Brits, except disabled and ill people.
Uh,. That was long. [/b]