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orys:
But being serious: this topic is about me, don’t forget, so unless “right to write on trucknet UK only for mighty british truckers from BNP” will be introducted i would like to spread my opinion.

And also I want to kill some myths like this one about Poles who are coming here and milking social system. I’ll repeat it again: Poles in UK are CLEAR PROFIT for your budget :wink: And it’s in home office data, but I am too lazy now to find it on google :slight_smile:

Absolutely brillant :smiley: :smiley:

Nice one orys, you’ve put quite a few of the posters on this thread to shame. Well reasoned replies and no moaning, what a refreshing change

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Ironic that when the jist of this thread is about naughty Johnny Foreigner coming over to our little country taking our jobs it takes a Polish immigrant to talk sense.

Stan

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There is no doubt that there are a lot of diligent hard working people over here.
My point is should we have every one ? The Australians manage their borders and take in only what and who they need,there is a points system.
I would like a similar system in this country.

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orys:

lefkasman:
If you moved to France why do you keep coming back here to work ? Why not start a new career in France ?

Maybe the french kicked his ■■■ becouse they needed posts for French unemployed chaps?

Orys why don’t you page back and read my reply. It was nothing to do with having my ■■■■ kicked. The simple fact that I return to England to work is that I need to take the French driver’s CPC, which has been in force since 1995, before I can drive here as a proffessional driver.

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Yes we should only take in skilled workers, not every tom,■■■■ and harry. Labour have ruined this country.

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bubsy06:
Yes we should only take in skilled workers, not every tom,■■■■ and harry. Labour have ruined this country.

And isn’t driving a truck a skilled job? Or would you call yourself unskilled? I thought not…

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bubsy06:
Yes we should only take in skilled workers, not every tom,■■■■ and harry. Labour have ruined this country.

Aye, and the Tories before them and Labour before them. As the old adage goes; It doesn’t matter who wins the election the government still get in ! :cry: :exclamation: :imp: :imp: :open_mouth: :confused: :blush: :unamused: :wink: :slight_smile: :smiley: :laughing: :sunglasses:

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V8 Passion:
i was only saying work should go to local people then when the foreigners had no work they would bugger off back to there homeland

You can’t do it becouse of the law. If you don’t employ me becouse I am Polish - that’s discrimination. BUT: you can tell “I’ll employ only people with proficient English” and than I can’t get that job and it’s perfecly fair for me :slight_smile: But then some users of that forum will be unemployed as well :smiley:

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pierrot 14:

orys:

lefkasman:
If you moved to France why do you keep coming back here to work ? Why not start a new career in France ?

Maybe the french kicked his ■■■ becouse they needed posts for French unemployed chaps?

Orys why don’t you page back and read my reply. It was nothing to do with having my ■■■■ kicked. The simple fact that I return to England to work is that I need to take the French driver’s CPC, which has been in force since 1995, before I can drive here as a proffessional driver.

Yeah, I know. Sorry, it wasn’t to you, but to this one who was moaning about kicking foreigners in the ■■■. And i missed a :laughing: there, sorry :slight_smile:

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Driving a lorry is not really skilled work so yes I am unskilled

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joedwyer1:
london news yesterday already said 4000 polish migrants are sleeping rough on the streets of london. one guy interviewed said he wouldn’t go back to poland because he didn’t want to be defeated. it was minus 6.5 a few nights ago here. you have got to feel sorry for these poor buggers

“Hello, is that Mantovani? Need a violinist here pronto.” :laughing:

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orys:
And also I want to kill some myths like this one about Poles who are coming here and milking social system. I’ll repeat it again: Poles in UK are CLEAR PROFIT for your budget :wink: And it’s in home office data, but I am too lazy now to find it on google :slight_smile:

WRONG!!!

According to a report published by immigration watchdog Migrationwatch, four out of five migrant workers are a drain on the British economy.

The findings totally demolish New Labour’s claim that migrants pay more in taxes than they take back in public services. Instead, a small number of very high-earning foreign workers, mostly NHS consultants, private doctors, City financiers and engineers are masking the fact that 80 per cent of immigrants are taking more out of the economy than they contribute during their lifetimes.

Only one in five immigrants is earning the £27,000 a year required to make a positive contribution to the British economy over the course of their lifetime. It means that, if they settle here, then four out of five immigrants will cost the taxpayer a vast amount of money.

The Government calculates that adult migrants make up 10.6 per cent of the population, but they contribute 10.9 per cent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - its total economic output.
This is the basis for the Government’s claim that they make a ‘small but positive’ contribution to the economy.

But, using the Government’s own Labour Force Survey, Migrationwatch says that this calculation fails to show the full picture.

To make a positive contribution to GDP over the course of a person’s lifetime, they must earn £27,000 a year.

This is the equivalent of paying £7,600 a year in income tax and other taxation, and that would cover the costs of healthcare and other public services into retirement.

The claim by the Government makes it appear that migrants in general are making a positive contribution to GDP whereas, in fact, those earning £27,000 or more each year are only a small minority of the total number.

The social costs of the present massive levels of immigration, including their impact on infrastructure and public services, far outweigh any possible benefit to the nation.’

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gsm31:

orys:
And also I want to kill some myths like this one about Poles who are coming here and milking social system. I’ll repeat it again: Poles in UK are CLEAR PROFIT for your budget :wink: And it’s in home office data, but I am too lazy now to find it on google :slight_smile:

WRONG!!!

According to a report published by immigration watchdog Migrationwatch, four out of five migrant workers are a drain on the British economy.

The findings totally demolish New Labour’s claim that migrants pay more in taxes than they take back in public services. Instead, a small number of very high-earning foreign workers, mostly NHS consultants, private doctors, City financiers and engineers are masking the fact that 80 per cent of immigrants are taking more out of the economy than they contribute during their lifetimes.

Only one in five immigrants is earning the £27,000 a year required to make a positive contribution to the British economy over the course of their lifetime. It means that, if they settle here, then four out of five immigrants will cost the taxpayer a vast amount of money.

The Government calculates that adult migrants make up 10.6 per cent of the population, but they contribute 10.9 per cent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - its total economic output.
This is the basis for the Government’s claim that they make a ‘small but positive’ contribution to the economy.

But, using the Government’s own Labour Force Survey, Migrationwatch says that this calculation fails to show the full picture.

To make a positive contribution to GDP over the course of a person’s lifetime, they must earn £27,000 a year.

This is the equivalent of paying £7,600 a year in income tax and other taxation, and that would cover the costs of healthcare and other public services into retirement.

The claim by the Government makes it appear that migrants in general are making a positive contribution to GDP whereas, in fact, those earning £27,000 or more each year are only a small minority of the total number.

The social costs of the present massive levels of immigration, including their impact on infrastructure and public services, far outweigh any possible benefit to the nation.’

orys only mentioned Poles, not ALL migrant workers…

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gsm31:
According to a report published by immigration watchdog Migrationwatch, four out of five migrant workers are a drain on the British economy.

How? They are coming here, they work here, and then they are coming back. Did you ever seen a polish retired person in UK (when we won’t mention “old emigration” - some RAF and Royal Army soldiers left here after 2nd World War…

1000s of Poles came here only to work on temporary basis. Even if some of them got tax refunds, there still is a huge amount of Poles, who worked here, paid a taxes and then came back home to claim retirement pensions THERE.

It means that, if they settle here, then four out of five immigrants will cost the taxpayer a vast amount of money.

if they settle here is a key words to understand what are you writing about. Less then every second Pole of these, who are living here for longer period of time want to settle there. So if average polish salary is now about 16000 per year, that’s mean that for every Pole who want to settle here there is about 32000 profit as he’ll use money paid to the budget by himself and this other one who then went home. And you have to add to that all Poles who came here for short periods of time.

I promise to find that data I was talking about, but I don’t have time for it now.

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orys only mentioned Poles, not ALL migrant workers…

Splitting hairs,they all come under the same heading,“Migrant Workers.”
If there’s a report out there that states the estimated 1 million plus Poles in Britain are a NET benefit to the economy I have yet to read it.

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I promise to find that data I was talking about, but I don’t have time for it now.

No links to The Guardian,Nu Labour,Fabian Society,Lib Dems etc it has to be from a credible source.

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Simon71:
orys only mentioned Poles, not ALL migrant workers…

That’s another point. I just browsed by the article and I would like to translate a part of it for you:

Jeśli wierzyć raportowi Institute for Public Policy Research, co do liczebności jesteśmy trzecią grupą narodowościową w Wielkiej Brytanii. Jest nas podobno 318 tysięcy (choć nieoficjalne źródła szacują tę liczbę na milion), więcej zarejestrowało się jedynie Irlandczyków (425 tys.) i Hindusów (578 tys.).

If one believe raport of Institute for Public Policy Research (note, it’s a British institution) about number of Poles we are third nationality group in UK. There is 318 000 (but unofficial sources are estimating that number as about 1000000), there is only more Irish (425 000) and Hindu (578 000 ) people.

Okazuje się, że na ich tle prawie nigdy nie korzystamy z zasiłków chorobowych. Nie można tego powiedzieć o obywatelach innych państw. Najbardziej schorowaną nacją są Pakistańczycy, Irlandczycy i… Anglicy.

Compared to them we (poles - that’s polish paper) are almost never claiming uncapacity benefits. One can’t tell that about other nations. Most sickly nations are Pakistanis, Irish and… English.

Badacze nie odnotowali również w UK bezrobotnych ■■■■■■■■ na utrzymaniu państwa, którzy jako jedni z nielicznych znaleźli się poza statystykami. Powód wydaje się być prosty — przyjeżdżamy tutaj przede wszystkim zarabiać pieniądze i wegetacja na bezrobociu nie jest dla nas atrakcyjną wizją pobytu na emigracji.

Researchers did not noticed in UK also unemployed Poles siting on benefits.Poles are ones of the few not mentioned in the statistics The reason seems to be simple - we are coming here to earn money and vegetation on unemployed it’s not attractive vision of emigration

Zaskakująco wysoka okazała się pozycja przybyszów z najbiedniejszych krajów świata, takich jak Uganda, Kenia, Bangladesz czy Ghana. Ich zarobki plasują się w pierwszej dziesiątce i oscylują wokół 12,50-13,50 £/h. Nie bez znaczenia pozostaje fakt, że to oni właśnie najczęściej zajmują socjalne mieszkania z councilu. Darmowym lokum cieszy się aż 80 procent obywateli Somalii. Polacy znaczną część swoich zarobków są zmuszeni wydawać na najem nieruchomości.

Suprisingly high is position of immigrants from the poorest countries of the world like Uganda, Kenya, Bangladesh or Ghana. They earnings are in the top ten and oscilationg arroung12.5 - 13.5 per hour. It’s worth to mention that they are in most cases occuping social flats from councils. 80 % of Somalian citizens enjoying free home. Poles has to pay a big share of their earnings to rent a flats.

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gsm31:
orys only mentioned Poles, not ALL migrant workers…

Splitting hairs,they all come under the same heading,“Migrant Workers.”
If there’s a report out there that states the estimated 1 million plus Poles in Britain are a NET benefit to the economy I have yet to read it.

As you can see from the post above, there are slight differencies between us and for example Somalians :wink:

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Yes the migrants come here and earn money which they send back to their families. That money is not being put into the british economy.

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I personally don’t belive the government should have had an open door policy for citizens of the countries that recently joined the EU…that’s going back a few years now. I believe 3 states did this…UK, Eire, and Sweden I believe. Having said that, good luck to all the Poles,Slovaks and Checks, who leapt at the opportunity to better themselves financially. I think I would have done it myself if I was in their position and courageous enough. Most of the ones that I meet and I meet a lot usually working in the Dairy indistry ie farming or dairy factories (I live in Wales) seem to be hard working and usually friendly people. It’s just a real shame that our Government have screwed the economy…so blame them, not those who have legally come here to work as British citizens have done down the years in other countries.