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the reason there are plenty of eastern Euros working here for British companies is pretty easy to see i think. if you were the boss which would you prefer? Marek/Karol/Andrej who turns up on time, doesn’t complain and does his job as he’s told to do, or the type of british driver which seems to predominate, i.e. he who is on the phone shouting and bawling every five minutes, ‘needs an early finish’ every Friday for whatever reason, and contrary to the normal emplyer/employee relationship thinks he actually dictates to the boss what he does and doesn’t do?

Its a ‘no-brainer’ as the yanks would say if you look at it from the boss’s point of view. Not saying it’s right but i am sure that that;s often how it is!

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V8 Passion:
where i am they are doing all the produce. And lads i know working from the docks say uk motors are standing whilst PL, CZ, RO, BUL, SL, SK, not forgetting the B, NL with eastern handjobs at the wheel seem to be working, is this legal eastern trucks working form our ports, i always thought it was 3 journeys then they at to leave. The vosa should inspect them no rear wing tops bad tyres ETC but they would rather do us for a bulb,

Come on! I have a GB one :slight_smile:

Btw: ok, all that cars can look crappy, that’s true, my 12 yo nissan is not a sparkling brand new one, but it’s becouse Poles can pay attention to that as required. And (like me) every time when we are in Poland, we are fixing everything to tip-top condition. My scottish friends are asking me why I am driving so old car, but they are affraid to drive their 5 or 7 yo cars to London becouse of it’s condition and I drive mine regullary to Poland (2000 km each way). You don’t believe me? Count broken cars on the hard shoulders on the british motorways and then drive to Poland and try to find broken car on the verge there.

I think it’s becouse you are too rich country: you know, that you can afford a new vehicle every 5 years or so, so you don’t bother to keep it in tip-top condition. Poles never know if they will have money to buy new one, so they keep in mind, that they may have to drive this car for next 15 years and therefore they are paying more attention to that. The same apply to lorries. If I would be asked to drive average polish 15 yo lorry and average british 10 yo lorry I would not think twice and pick the polish one.

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bubsy06:
there are loads of uk drivers out of work but plenty of foreigners working which is obviously wrong. There should be a new law which says that if a uk driver comes looking for work at a company and there are johnny foreigners working there then they should get kicked out and the uk driver should get the work. This goverment needs to start looking after its own.

OK. But then imagine that other countries are doing the same. And then there is 1000s of british truckers kicked from France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Canada, US etc hanging arround and asking for work…

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we have blamed the foreigners, then the goverment, then money and now its the uk drivers fault :laughing: :laughing:

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lefkasman:
If you moved to France why do you keep coming back here to work ? Why not start a new career in France ?

Maybe the french kicked his ■■■ becouse they needed posts for French unemployed chaps?

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Suedehead:
“We cant just deport people”. . . .why cant we?
Oh , silly me . . . Human rights :angry:

And mutuality rules :wink:

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bubsy06:
There are loads of UK drivers born and bred in this country out of work and cant get jobs, but there are loads of foreigners doing jobs in the uk that british drivers could be doing. If they cant get work in their own country then TOUGH LUCK dont come and steal jobs from the uk.

Hm. So now suddenly the british drivers could do that jobs? Where is this “I won’t rise from my bad to do that job” attitude gone? :laughing:

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bubsy06:
oh yeah and working for a lot less wages and driving longer hours in dangerous trucks. Thats what this country wants :unamused:

  1. It was not me in few my companies who was driving over the limit. And I was only foreign driver there.

  2. I would like to mention, that this POLISH drivers who works here are driving BRITISH lorries. So please do not blame Poles for your vehicle’s condition :slight_smile:

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alamcculloch:
Eastie BEASTIES earn less but get various top ups from the tax payers the very same ones whose standards are being eroded.RULE BRITANNIA.

Myth!!! I had an accident and was injured after nearly 2 years of working here and I had NO HELP at all from Britain. It’s not easy to get any support from British goverment.

Also: 30% of Brits are taking some benefits. Compare it to 7% of Poles who are doing that and answer: per head, who pay more to the jar?

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joedwyer1:
i would like to see a post or two on here from orys the polish guy. i don’t think from the sounds of it that he has had much work lately either. i would be interested on a view from the other side of the coin

No, that’s true. I don’t have too much work recently, but I am a full time student and it’s hard to get some part time job nowadays. It’s indeed much worse than it was year or two ago.

BUT: I had a good job, and I quit it becouse I wanted to go to the uni. If not, I would still work there and earn good money (I had salaries for up to 625 per week when included 35 overnight allowances and overtime, and that was on class II). I also think that there are still some jobs arround: check that post by simonp about genuine jobs in Glasgow. Browse it down and count how many people still shouting “it’s not worth to leaving house for that money” etc. I think if I would get a job instead of someone, who prefere to sit on benefit and watch TV it would be only profit for British economy.

As for other Poles: some of my friends are coming back home. But not becouse they can’t find a job (it’s harder nowadays, but it’s still possible, especially if You are good) but simply becouse Poland is dealing much better with all that credit crunch and becouse there is plenty new jobs there becouse of Euro 2012 etc.

This Poles, who were just a simply guys who don’t speak english and struggling to find a job are already home, as it’s much, much easier to find a joiner job back in Poland than in Britain nowadays. And in some cases you can even earn more!

And last but not least:
praca.gazetapraca.pl/0,4050,1, … rowca.html

This is only one newspaper, 292 offers for drivers nationwide.

Second is:

drivers to drive in international transport
also Truck Supervisors and Driver Supervisors
required knowledge of english language.
We require:
Driving license kat. CE
ADR certificate
Digital card
Experience in international transport (proof)
Language: English or German
Additionally DHS
We offer you:
Steady employment with a contract
High wages
New trucks
Good working conditions in large, international logistics company

And by “High wages” they propably mean about 300 pounds per week basics, and live in Poland is much cheaper than here. I can’t see a reason why one of you would not try it?

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bubsy06:
:laughing: :laughing: erm well the britsh driver was born and bred here why should he not be able to work because some foreigner has it instead.

And why this foreigner is here? Becose one or two years ago the same British Driver told his boss “■■■■ off, I won’t rise my bum from the bed for these silly money”. Now the same British Driver is begging for the same work he was jeering at year ago, but sorry, it’s already filled :slight_smile:

You can’t just throw people away. You invited this people before, and that wasn’t temporary contract. They are living here, paying taxes etc. Or OK: just throw them out, but pay back all taxes they paid you for last couple of years. I could have really good life in Poland for year or two if you’ll pay all my taxes and NIN back :wink:

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Olog Hai:
the reason there are plenty of eastern Euros working here for British companies is pretty easy to see i think. if you were the boss which would you prefer? Marek/Karol/Andrzej - you missed one letter who turns up on time, doesn’t complain and does his job as he’s told to do, or the type of british driver which seems to predominate, i.e. he who is on the phone shouting and bawling every five minutes, ‘needs an early finish’ every Friday for whatever reason, and contrary to the normal emplyer/employee relationship thinks he actually dictates to the boss what he does and doesn’t do?

Its a ‘no-brainer’ as the yanks would say if you look at it from the boss’s point of view. Not saying it’s right but i am sure that that;s often how it is!

I would be brave enaugh to write it, but there is a lot of true there.

I used to work a lot for agencies, and usually after few weeks I had plenty of customers who were calling agencies and asking particulary for ME. There must be some reason for that, becouse I am not able to believe, that some polish driver with poor (at this time) english and year experience in lorry driving is better then some native Brit BORN AND BRED here…

You are just spoiled as you were richer for hundreds of years. And Poles still know what is to work hard etc. Why all the shops are running by Pakistani people? Becouse not many british people are ready to work as hard.

But my local shopkeeper drives the best car in the area, just moved to new house and bought both his sons nice flats as well… Also he just opened second shop. And that’s for reason.

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Bloody 'ell orys, you’re fingers must be a bit sore ! :wink:

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Eh… :slight_smile:

Years of practice on IRC :wink:

But being serious: this topic is about me, don’t forget, so unless “right to write on trucknet UK only for mighty british truckers from BNP” will be introducted i would like to spread my opinion.

And also I want to kill some myths like this one about Poles who are coming here and milking social system. I’ll repeat it again: Poles in UK are CLEAR PROFIT for your budget :wink: And it’s in home office data, but I am too lazy now to find it on google :slight_smile:

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It was a humorous way of saying: you’ve been busy today. :smiley:

As for your right to reply I respect it 100%. I may not agree with you 100% :wink: but thats the idea of freedom of speech.

Just for the record, imho if you’ve got the balls to come here, learn the lingo(language, sorry), do the same job as a UK native for the same pay as a UK native and put up with the inevitable slagging you’ll get from some quarters then good on yer mate. :smiley:

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Goaty:
It was a humorous way of saying: you’ve been busy today. :smiley:

Yeh, I know, that’s why I answered

Years of practice on IRC Wink

I just wanted to explain WHY i wrote so much :wink:

Ant thanks for this nice words :wink:

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orys:

Goaty:
It was a humorous way of saying: you’ve been busy today. :smiley:

Yeh, I know, that’s why I answered

Years of practice on IRC Wink

I just wanted to explain WHY i wrote so much :wink:

Ant thanks for this nice words :wink:

Fair enough, I’ll get me coat :laughing:

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i was only saying work should go to local people then when the foreigners had no work they would bugger off back to there homeland then everyones a winner. and another gripe is the laybys between cambridge and alconbury you know the narrow ones all them easterners park in them, tuesday night there was a litho with his back end over the white line but he had hung his high viz vest on the back corner, if it was a uk truck the police would move us on. oh and why do the need laptops on the dashboard,

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The Spalding Phantom:
Lets see if anyone here can spot themselves in this clip…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LES7nuTPVUU

:laughing:

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No employer is forced to employ foreign workers.

So why do they?

It’s mostly a myth that it’s cheaper because you can’t get away with it due to equality laws.

So ask yourselves why.

I’ve interviewed more english drivers in the last 13 years who start off the conversation with a list of precisely what they won’t do than I’ve had hot dinners.

Whereas the average Eastern European driver (not all but most) has a mentality of “If it’s legal I’ll do it”.

Who would you employ?