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V8 Passion:
i give up let the poles have it. i think its time to hang up the keyes. been offered 6k for W reg 144 530 4x2 its gotta go i reckon its time to go on the dole.

You live in a country were your line of business is being clobbered on a daily basis by your government, Brussels and by foreign competition that does not suffer the same tax structures and can do the same job cheaper, thats a fact and has been for many years. In this current downturn you are in no condition to dictate anymore, survive is all you can do. Haulage companies are dropping like flies because others can do it cheaper or there is not simply the level of goods to be moved at this time. The boss probably is less interested if you can make the mortgage payment than he used to be and his focus is on cutting cost, that might be then a Polish worker living in a room with a few others. If you cannot compete with that, then yes its time to hang the keys up, but dole nope, have some backbone and do something else, who is this person who owes you something, God, Gordon■■? I doubt anyone cares in this climate, you have to take some self control in your life, make some luck. You are not my favorite person on this thread, but I wish you good luck for the future. Please remember a lot of the people you are complaining about have in their lives made huge sacrifices in order to survive or better themselves and that makes them very strong in mind

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We live in a global economy. That said, in times of hardship like the current recession, governments have a duty to look after the people that it stands to serve. Unfortunately during the last 20 to 30 years there has been a steady erosion of powers that our elected representatives can utilise. This has been brought about by greed. Greed of the individual, in good times less meant more. Greed of corporations, ditto, and the willingness of central government to give in to big business. The current climate is the result of everyone wanting a bargain when the times were good. This is a classical case of talking ourselves into a recession. Boom and bust is as much part of capitalism as butter is to bread. So if you want to be able to buy cheaper products and vote with your feet, business will dully oblige. They do this by cutting costs and those costs include transportation, but not managements wages (these get increased because they found a way to cut costs in the first place). If someone offers to do the job cheaper, the majority of people would go with that, sad but true.

If you want a quality item pay a premium price, if you want cheap, well on your own head be it.

Good luck to the Poles (don’t particularly like them myself — been there and it’s a [zb] hole.) but good luck none the less.

We live in a global economy, deal with it or change it, just don’t whinge about it.

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POST 663 ON THIS ILLUSTRIOUS SUBJECT
Remember when you point the finger of blame at someone else, there are four fingers pointing back at yourself.

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peugeot plant coventry closed while making a profit same as many other companies moved to east european countries
why main reason cheap labour skilled or unskilled
poles work over here knowing the labour rate is more than in their own country
they work excessive hours with a blatent disreguard for the law just to earn money to send back home
alot of the pole drivers will boost about how they will have brought their flats for cash cars etc
white goods may be more expensive in poland
is that why the cars full of cameras and dvd players when they are returning home

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graham schroeder:
peugeot plant coventry closed while making a profit same as many other companies moved to east european countries
why main reason cheap labour skilled or unskilled

The reasons might be plenty to relocate, I would have thought relocating a new manufacturing base and training would not be a cheap option in the short term, they must believe the move will secure the company better for the long run.

poles work over here knowing the labour rate is more than in their own country

No ■■■ sherlock

they work excessive hours with a blatent disreguard for the law just to earn money to send back home

I disagree with that, they appear to work excessive hours compared to the west, it fairly normal for Poles to work what we feel are long hours. Disregarding the law, perhaps some do, I know plenty of my countrymen do the same. I know Poles who are in the UK for a quick financial gain and I know those who choose to make the UK their home, its their money to spend here or anywhere.

alot of the pole drivers will boost about how they will have brought their flats for cash cars etc

Everyone likes to boast, I got a new drumkit, I am telling everyone. This is the first time many will have been able to afford cars, things, stuff, I am not surprised they are telling everyone.

white goods may be more expensive in poland
is that why the cars full of cameras and dvd players when they are returning home

Maybe some are relocating stuff, is that the angle your are going for :smiley: I was given a good going over by border control at Hull docks on my way out a few weeks ago in my PL reg car, as it had a new drum kit in it, along with a couple of computers and Hi Fi items. I had the receipts and I also have a very good English accent.
I would be peed off if I had a UK job and it was taken by someone who would do it for a cheaper rate wherever they might hail from. I left 10 years ago feeling that my government were not interested in me and moved myself elsewhere and now I find myself in Poland of all places, I felt I was the only one going to look after ME, so I left. I have always paid for my cars with cash, the house here is paid for, I have avoided loans like the plague, right now I am the lucky one, I do however live in a country were I am entitled to very little if it goes pear shaped, I have to be in control of my own life

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i always thought white goods were fridges, freezers, etc
you aint gonna get many of them in a car

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biggusdickusgb:
i always thought white goods were fridges, freezers, etc
you aint gonna get many of them in a car

yeah, but you can get a lot of DVD players in a fridge, your not thinking in a tactical manner…

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that must be why i’m always skint :laughing: :laughing:

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graham schroeder:
peugeot plant coventry closed while making a profit same as many other companies moved to east european countries
why main reason cheap labour skilled or unskilled
poles work over here knowing the labour rate is more than in their own country

So you have three opportunities:

  • Factories are moving to Poland where Polish workers work for 3 pounds per hour and spend all that in Poland
  • Factories are staying here, there is full of Polish workers working here for 5.73 per hour, and spending most of this money in UK
  • Factories are staying here, but no Poles are allowed to work here, only Brits working there and earning 9 pounds per hour then factories are going bankrupt becouse no-one can afford to buy such expensive good.

Which one is the best for you?

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orys:

graham schroeder:
peugeot plant coventry closed while making a profit same as many other companies moved to east european countries
why main reason cheap labour skilled or unskilled
poles work over here knowing the labour rate is more than in their own country

So you have three opportunities:

For now we do !

orys:

  • Factories are moving to Poland where Polish workers work for 3 pounds per hour and spend all that in Poland
  • Factories are staying here, there is full of Polish workers working here for 5.73 per hour, and spending most of this money in UK
  • Factories are staying here, but no Poles are allowed to work here, only Brits working there and earning 9 pounds per hour then factories are going bankrupt becouse no-one can afford to buy such expensive good.

Which one is the best for you?

How about opt out the EU and penalise companies for ‘food miles’ ? Or ‘product miles’ to reduce their carbon footprints :wink:
Its almost bizzare that we need a ‘global supply’ chain when we all have regular commodities within easy reach. Oh !! And a English National Party to boot !! That’ll sort out the ‘West Lothian Question’ as well, see, don;t wait for Gordon Brown to make descisions, just ask me :smiley:

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Hello another Polish here and what I wanna say is one of the main reasons you can see so many eastern europeans trucks on english roads is eastern europeans countries are developing. Your country has come to a standstill.
And some good news for ya. My Polish friends in the UK have gone back to Poland. In the area where I live (East Midlands, Nottingham) they didn’t stand any chance to find work. I’m packing up as well (i know you must be happy), I sent 160 cv and cover letters and haven’t found anything. Jobs for so called jonnies foreigners in employment agancies have simply dried up or are scarce.

Eastern Europeans are not to blame. It’s not their fault that British can’t find work. The economic downturn, the uk immigration policy etc are to blame.

And some bad news (but I love it) 15 british drivers decided to go to poland to work for one of the biggest international companies, I’m going with them and I must admit I’m not gonna treat them as they treated me. But some other polish who lived in england swear they gonna make their lives tough.

That’s the way it is, everything changes.

Cheers,
Simon

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Mike-C:
How about opt out the EU and penalise companies for ‘food miles’ ? Or ‘product miles’ to reduce their carbon footprints :wink:
Its almost bizzare that we need a ‘global supply’ chain when we all have regular commodities within easy reach. Oh !! And a English National Party to boot !! That’ll sort out the ‘West Lothian Question’ as well, see, don;t wait for Gordon Brown to make descisions, just ask me :smiley:

Oh, you always can opt out EU and World Market as a whole. I remember that from my childchood - Poland was living behind the Iron Wall as well and we had no access to products from outside the common help and support organisation. Then you will have Scottish Potatoes and chicken or Fisch and Chips at every meal, winter apples from Aberdeen instead of bananas and you will be able to buy your expensive products from factories full of happy British workers. Then, becouse your average age is getting older as in every developing country there will be not enaugh young people to work for your pensioners and your whole system will collapse in, say, 10 years. Then your workers would want to go to Poland for work, but they won’t be able to do it, as they will need visas and work permits as a imigrants from non-EU country… :slight_smile:

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let the russians have east eu back they kept it all in check,bring back the iron curtain,we never had half the probs then like we have today,see what these east eus think of us now,we help free them and how do they repay us,flood west eu with cheap haulage and labour. :imp: they reackon they would come up to our standard of living,in 10 years,dont be stupid,more like 25,now our standard of living is dropping to old east eu level :imp: wages in the west where good before the east joined us, :imp: now look at us :imp:

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ken57:
let the russians have east eu back they kept it all in check,bring back the iron curtain,we never had half the probs then like we have today,see what these east eus think of us now,we help free them and how do they repay us,flood west eu with cheap haulage and labour. :imp: they reackon they would come up to our standard of living,in 10 years,dont be stupid,more like 25,now our standard of living is dropping to old east eu level :imp: wages in the west where good before the east joined us, :imp: now look at us :imp:

As Comrade Stalin once said " To make Poland part of USSR would like trying to put a saddle on a cow. Orys will correct me if I got the wrong wording. Russia never tamed Poland, the church did not capitulate one inch with the communists and the people stubborn to the pressure, Orys does this better than me, he is a walking history book. In fact talking a leaf out of the Polish peoples struggle with the communists and the near constant threat of the USSR reinvading might give the UK population some food for thought in dealing with its overbearing state control and the one eyed unelected dictator… Have a bit of backbone, its unlikely that you will end up getting shot or on a trip to Siberia.

Ken, the standard of living has passed the UK in many ways, I have 2 toilets that flush and are inside, a bathroom and shower room, wii, big TV, surround sound, 3 cars, lots of stuff. The roads are getting better, its all on the up, the world recession is a small downturn here at this time. If it all goes wrong then we have the outside lav and a tin bath, water from a well in the garden and the village will help each other out, thats a great standard of living to have.

Your whole post is riddled with nonsense, you cannot give Poland to Russia, you have no power anymore, your status in the world has slipped. You should focus on surviving the current downturn and turn your bile on the real perpetrators of your unhappiness, your government, they alone have brought GBs’ status to below countries you despise so much and seem to have no knowledge of.

Right I am offski for a cabbage sandwich and a couple of vodies before a game of pig baiting

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orys:

Mike-C:
How about opt out the EU and penalise companies for ‘food miles’ ? Or ‘product miles’ to reduce their carbon footprints :wink:
Its almost bizzare that we need a ‘global supply’ chain when we all have regular commodities within easy reach. Oh !! And a English National Party to boot !! That’ll sort out the ‘West Lothian Question’ as well, see, don;t wait for Gordon Brown to make descisions, just ask me :smiley:

Oh, you always can opt out EU and World Market as a whole.

I suppose you could technically. But you are putting foreward a daft option. Opting out of EU membership would not preclude the UK from trading with Europe or the rest of the world. It would however prevent the UK from being bound by EU agreed rules that we don’t want nor would vote for even remotely. Just like every other country outside the EU at present!!

orys:
I remember that from my childchood - Poland was living behind the Iron Wall as well and we had no access to products from outside the common help and support organisation.

And you all survived, and if what we read is to be believed as true then you all have an excellent work ethic, family ethic and a real ‘can do’ attitude and you are all far more skilled than lazy British workers! :wink: So your childhood behind the Iron Wall has stood you in good stead.

orys:
Then you will have Scottish Potatoes and chicken or Fisch and Chips at every meal, winter apples from Aberdeen instead of bananas and you will be able to buy your expensive products from factories full of happy British workers.

Bananas don’t come from Europe as suprising as it may seem. But sourcing our Turkey from the UK which we are capable of producing ratherthan sourcing it from Bernard Mathews turkey farms in Bulgaria or Romania might help us in the right direction and save us from the bird flu he imported. As might sourcing our yoghurts that Tescos and Asda sell that are produced in Germany, we could ask Muller dairys in Shropshire to up production?!!

orys:
Then, becouse your average age is getting older as in every developing country there will be not enaugh young people to work for your pensioners and your whole system will collapse in, say, 10 years. Then your workers would want to go to Poland for work, but they won’t be able to do it, as they will need visas and work permits as a imigrants from non-EU country… :slight_smile:

Only flaw in the plan here is that it is an urban myth spread by the New Labour Propoganda machine that we are an ageing population and need migrants etc…There is no records, study or data anywhere to support this notion. Only a statement from a polotitian.
Don’t take my comments the wrong way, i’m not anti anyone. I believe immigration, diversity etc…are good and positive things. I just believe that the rate the UK is experiencing it is not good for anyone living here at present no matter what colour , creed or religion you are. ‘Growth’ does have its physical limits, a fact which seems to have totally bypassed the people who earn large salaries in the ‘global supply chain’. Meanwhile we buy Atlantic caught Haddock and Cod that is packed and processed in China and exported back here and we charge people for making to much smoke driving around London.
Anyway, unlimited immigration may be a great thing as you suggest, just wait till it all goes bang like the banks!!!You can see the seeds setting in already, who would of though wildcat strikes around the UK would start off from foreign workers getting jobs? Who would of thought that a St. Georges Parade in England might be deemed racist? Who would of thought people would be suspended from work (as in this week) for holding christian beliefs? We all need a lottery win to make us happy, when hard times befall us then divisions occur. Its all in history to look at.

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Simon_1982:
And some bad news (but I love it) 15 british drivers decided to go to poland to work for one of the biggest international companies, I’m going with them and I must admit I’m not gonna treat them as they treated me. But some other polish who lived in england swear they gonna make their lives tough.

That’s the way it is, everything changes.

Cheers,
Simon

I hope all the buglarians and chechz follow to then and then you will know how we feel when there is jonny foreigner getting jobs ahead of you :stuck_out_tongue: That said your lot will probably bring in a Polish first for jobs ruling so the outsiders dont get a look in, and that is how it should be.
I have nothing against the Poles but being honest I would be royally effed off if it came to losing my job so a non uk resident could do it for less cash which has been the norm since all eastern block drivers/workers came over here. Good luck in your native country, here’s hoping you go back to such a great life you all stay there :grimacing:

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Mike-C:
I suppose you could technically. But you are putting foreward a daft option. Opting out of EU membership would not preclude the UK from trading with Europe or the rest of the world. It would however prevent the UK from being bound by EU agreed rules that we don’t want nor would vote for even remotely. Just like every other country outside the EU at present!!

“Just every other country outside EU at present” has to pay high duty and tax when it want to export its goods to EU. That’s why Ukraine is now so bad - as Poland and other neighbours was a huge market for them and now all stopped…

And you all survived, and if what we read is to be believed as true then you all have an excellent work ethic, family ethic and a real ‘can do’ attitude and you are all far more skilled than lazy British workers! :wink: So your childhood behind the Iron Wall has stood you in good stead.

Oh yeah, spending childhood with father in jail for being an indenpendent journalist is something I can recomend to everyone. :unamused:

Bananas don’t come from Europe as suprising as it may seem.

Yeah. And if I am writing “World Market” I am thinking about places OUTSIDE Europe as well.

But sourcing our Turkey from the UK which we are capable of producing ratherthan sourcing it from Bernard Mathews turkey farms in Bulgaria or Romania might help us in the right direction and save us from the bird flu he imported. As might sourcing our yoghurts that Tescos and Asda sell that are produced in Germany, we could ask Muller dairys in Shropshire to up production?!!

And you’ll be able to have carrot yoghurt or haggis youghurt, as as far as I know wamr countries are better for fruits like peaches and other favourite youghurt ingredients…

Only flaw in the plan here is that it is an urban myth spread by the New Labour Propoganda machine that we are an ageing population and need migrants etc…There is no records, study or data anywhere to support this notion. Only a statement from a polotitian.

I am affraid that THEY ARE such records. I readed once that altough many people have many children, most of them have not and if not all Pakistani and Asian society, you will be a kidless nation long time ago…

Don’t take my comments the wrong way, i’m not anti anyone. I believe immigration, diversity etc…are good and positive things. I just believe that the rate the UK is experiencing it is not good for anyone living here at present no matter what colour , creed or religion you are. ‘Growth’ does have its physical limits, a fact which seems to have totally bypassed the people who earn large salaries in the ‘global supply chain’.

I perfectly agree with you, especially that you are not blaming Eastern Europe for everything :wink:

Anyway, unlimited immigration may be a great thing as you suggest, just wait till it all goes bang like the banks!!!You can see the seeds setting in already, who would of though wildcat strikes around the UK would start off from foreign workers getting jobs? Who would of thought that a St. Georges Parade in England might be deemed racist? Who would of thought people would be suspended from work (as in this week) for holding christian beliefs? We all need a lottery win to make us happy, when hard times befall us then divisions occur. Its all in history to look at.

You’re quite right on it. But there is only one thing I want to mention: thanks to the credit crunch now there will be a shuffle in countrie’s economical grade and things would not be longer as you are used to. It won’t be europe’s fault, credit crunch hitted UK so hard mostly becouse it economical ties with the US and that have nothing to do with Easter Europe - it would happen anyway.

So Poland is becoming richer and UK is becoming poorer. What’s important with an emigration is that it can only be to big when it’s working in one direction only. But look, even in that thread, people are starting to move to Poland for work. And there is still many other european countries to move. So IMHO it will just be more mixed, Poles here, Englishmans in Berlin, Germans in Italy, Italians in Norway etc. As long as it will be balanced, it will be OK. And people from outside Europe will be filling demografic gaps.

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Whilst most of your statements are undoubtedly true please don’t delve into the realms of science fiction and stick to facts. GDP in Poland is $17,800 as apposed the United Kingdom which stands at $37,400. This is a world recession, which is affecting Poland too, not a G7 recession. (Can’t say I’ll ever see the day when Poland is a powerful enough economy to enter the G7, but maybe you know different on your planet)

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bazfrombenidorm:
Whilst most of your statements are undoubtedly true please don’t delve into the realms of science fiction and stick to facts. GDP in Poland is $17,800 as apposed the United Kingdom which stands at $37,400. This is a world recession, which is affecting Poland too, not a G7 recession. (Can’t say I’ll ever see the day when Poland is a powerful enough economy to enter the G7, but maybe you know different on your planet)

One question: where have you been 20 years ago and where has been Polish economy?
Please, compare that.

I don’t want to say that Poland will jump into 7 most richest countries soon, it’s ridicoulus. But GDP is not the only factor (especially that it’s includes army spending, while army spending is not improving people’s lives quality at all). Also Poland was never lucky enaugh to build up national wealth on the back of the other nation, (I can even tell that it was going opposite way, as I remember a joke from my childhood: how to locate north? You have to find railway line and observe trains. Empty are going west, Full are going east). I know, you will tell us now, that it is historical and it’s not relevant, but I dare to tell that it is: all that wealth gained from the colonies is now belongs to UK even if the colonies are now free (did anybody seen rich ex-colonial country?)

So altough I doubt that Poland will join the biggest econimies in the regards to GDP, it’s not the only important factor. See: GB is 7th on the list of GDP, Poland is 20th, and there is no Switzerland in first 20. But I would prefere to live in Switzerland than in UK or Poland and I bet many of you too.

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america, canada, australia don’t seem to be doing to bad