ianyng:
Y’know… there are some good folk on these forums - but there are some right [zb] as well.
Same as any forum, same as life i suppose, but i’m in your corner mate so chin up and i hope this year works out better than last.
Same as Harry said Ian keep your chin up and dont let the ■■■■■■■■ grind you down 
simon
it seems very odd to me that someone who wants to keep his business to himself should choose to post the ins and outs on a public forum, or at least the details he dosn’t mind people knowing 
ian, you say you were doing well until the ill fated cyprus trip, i don’t doubt that but why if thats the case, can you not talk to topcat about the money you owe him?
i don’t wish anyone to go out of business and for those that don’t know anything about me i can assure you all, i’ve been at “rock bottom” like you would never know and all down to people not paying what they owed me, and it’s certainly not something to have a laugh and joke about! 
paul b:
it seems very odd to me that someone who wants to keep his business to himself should choose to post the ins and outs on a public forum, or at least the details he dosn’t mind people knowing
ian, you say you were doing well until the ill fated cyprus trip, i don’t doubt that but why if thats the case, can you not talk to topcat about the money you owe him?
i don’t wish anyone to go out of business and for those that don’t know anything about me i can assure you all, i’ve been at “rock bottom” like you would never know and all down to people not paying what they owed me, and it’s certainly not something to have a laugh and joke about!
No disrespect to you Paul but who Ian owes money to and what he owes has got naff all to do with you, unless he owes you anything 
And if you’ve been at rock bottom you should understand that when people sit there having a go it really doesnt help matters especially when the people having a go dont know all the facts and figures and are just shooting there traps off 
simon
i’ve been at “rock bottom” like you would never know
IF you have lost a big house, nice car & successful (until zero hour) business, then yes you will know. I just could not bring myself to slag off Ian right now. Hindsight is a wonderful tool.
scab-in-a-cab:
Hindsight is a wonderful tool.
■■■■■■■ right it is, ive got a free lifetimes supply, its marvellous and completely bleedin useless at the same time!
[zb] right it is, ive got a free lifetimes supply, its marvellous and completely bleedin useless at the same time!
there speaks a man of EXPERIENCE not a man of reading 
Did we meet once in the same hellhole Mal 
scab-in-a-cab:
[zb] right it is, ive got a free lifetimes supply, its marvellous and completely bleedin useless at the same time!
there speaks a man of EXPERIENCE not a man of reading
it’s certainly not impossible scab!
scab-in-a-cab:
Hindsight is a wonderful tool.
Hindsight is the only exact science there is.
Ian, I’m sure did not want, or engineer this situation but is a victim along with everyone else, irrespective of the circumstances. Many small businesses would survive crisis and weather cash flow problems if the system allowed it.
Its the ‘jam today’ proponents that are to blame. Welcome to Capitalism and worship of the great god profit.
topcat:
What Sean has just posted, is probably quite correct., and very diplomatic. It’s a shame all round, but that’s life, if being an owner driver was that easy , everyboby would be one !!.All I would like is for some form of contact from Ian just to sort this matter out. As I posted on my thread, I can’t (and don’t ) blame him for all 100% for my postition, it was a part of a snowball effect, with extremly late payment’s, non payments, and my truck needing expensive part’s.
It was the non communication part that has infuriated me, when he thought it was ok to tell everyone on trucknet of his plight.
But hey, life moves on, you live and learn
wot ever the why,s and where fores are in this sad and sorry mess (your business being bandied around a public forum)
i cannot help but have sympathy for topcat.
what a way to find out that a fellow O/D has gone ■■■■ up owing you (topcat) the amount that he does, it is shocking to log on to t/net and find out in this way. shocking. a fellow o/d.
i wonder if topcat stalled on doing the work and gave I Y GRIEF before doing the said work. yet he gets treat like this from another o/d. cmon man , wheres your decency.
I think that certain people need to leave Ian and Topcat to sort it out themselves.What happened to Ian could happen to anyone of us,and my sympathies would be with them and their family,but certain people like to air personnel thing’s that should stay PERSONNEL and for that i think you’s are bang out of order.Just remember thing’s that go around come around and when it does, don’t come on here crying.Just one more thing to say to the backstabber’s on here GET A LIFE 
although i’ve a fair idea as to whats gone off i’ll make no more comment on the subject, i’m sure topcat will be more than glad to fill in the details when he’s resolved his problems.
paul b:
although i’ve a fair idea as to whats gone off i’ll make no more comment on the subject, i’m sure topcat will be more than glad to fill in the details when he’s resolved his problems.
snap.
As I am finally home after being away for over 2 weeks, I am going to reply to all the absolute rubbish that has been posted on here while I have been away!!
So according to Mr Young, I am, obviously, one of the couple of “dopey, pig ignorants” ■■? and according to Kitkat, I am a backstabber??
So does not being one of the pack qualifies me as a pig ignorant■■?
Lots of people ran in offering their sympathies YET no one seemed to wonder how true this story was. Mr Young resolved this by posting the link which showed that in fact his house HAD burned down, and I duly apologised IN PUBLIC!!
But, being of an intelligent nature, there were things about this that raised several issues with me. Now Kitkat, reread your post ………… who was the person that bought this into the public domain?? Certainly not me though I had chance to several weeks before Mr Young’s post. It was Mr Young himself, who posted about his “woes”!! Now although I had sympathy over the plight off his house (which I will come back to), if you are going to post your woes in a public domain, then you got to be prepared to take all that goes with that!!
I knew that Mr Young was in trouble weeks before his post but never said a word……… I never even mentioned it was TopCat that was owed money by him, in a later post. I believe it was Jess’s Dad who asked where Young was but I kept quiet as I hoped it would all be resolved amicably.
Now one thing I do know and it’s this………… you CANNOT get a mortgage OR a remortgage WITHOUT BUILDING INSURANCE!!! Not contents insurance BUT building insurance!! I defy any homeowner on here to tell me they have a mortgage with no building insurance!!! If you go to say Abbey National, they factor in the building insurance into your repayments. If you say “No thank you, I have my own” then YOU HAVE TO SUPPLY PROVE OF THE INSURANCE before they release the money. Once again, I defy any homeowner to tell me different. Homeowners only please, not the people who rent but think they are lawyers (every firm has one). So when Mr Young said he had remortgaged his property for the business but had no insurance, I straight away had my doubts. Now, there is no doubt that Mr Young’s house burnt down. So that leaves one of two things. Either Mr Young has been shafted by his lenders and he then has recourse to legal action OR he went to one of those finance companies that are always advertising on Sky…… “we’ll lend you up to £250k on your house”. It is no concern of mine what he did but please don’t try and kid a kidder.
Many many months ago…some time early last year, I was talking to another O/D from here about Mr Young and how I had been trying to convince RobK to work for him…… told Rob he would enjoy euro work etc. The chat was actually about Rob and not Young but it was Young that I had been trying to convince Rob to go work for as they seemed to know one another. That O/D without any prompting from me (and actually to my surprise) expressed how concerned he was about Mr Young and the huge financial pressures he had taken on with the 3 new units. Then we heard the news that Mr Young was taking on this job into Cyprus…. I was actually quite jealous, as a Euro driver, we always want to go to new places and I thought it sounded an exciting adventure. But what none of us knew was that those motors were running out there with no R&M!! As I know for a fact that Kelberg tried to convince my Boss that he wouldn’t need R&M on a new motor, I can see Mr Young being told the same and believing it. How was he to know the blinking unit was going to go ■■■■ up in deepest Bulgaria??
I followed the postings about the trip (like everyone else) with interest. I don’t believe I made one comment on his troubles though unlike many on here who slated him at that time (the same people saying ahhhhh, poor Ian now??)
Then I heard about TC’s woes ……. I kept quiet about them and hoped they would be resolved (in fact, I had pointed him towards some work before this, that I hope was profitable for him). Now what I really objected to happened next. Mr Young posted on here starting this thread about his problems. What a disgraceful way to carry on. He could have had the decency to make a simple phone call and let TC know he was in trouble BEFORE posting. By his own admission, he found the time to talk to NSH about the fire but not to phone TC about the money he owed him?? I hope and trust that in time Mr Young will be able to pay TC whatever he is owed though we all see what Mr Young posted on his original post “Anyway - the finance companies and the mortage company can’t have what we haven’t got.” ………. so I wouldn’t hold out too much hope, TC.
I stated before that there are things you are not telling us, Mr Young, and I hold to that. BUT one thing I am not is a “dopey pig ignorant”. Because I never followed the pack and offered my sympathies?? How pathetic!!!
If anyone is pig ignorant on this thread, it is your own good self for your total lack of business acumen.
To those of you that have slated me for ‘kicking a man while he is down’, what about TC■■? He has been kicked as hard as Mr Young but it looks like he may survive, no thanks to Mr Young.
To those of you, I do apologise for NOT being a member of the pack but I only offer sympathies where I feel they are truly merited (I think I posted on Kates thread about her accident………that deserved our commiserations) and I truly feel that, albeit extremely unlucky, Mr Young has bought a lot of this on his own head and to come on here telling everyone how ‘unlucky’ he has been is asking for trouble if you don’t tell the full story!!!
By the way, Mr Young, thank you for posting that link to your local paper!! I shall be keeping a close eye on that paper because I am a thinker, and I think a lot when on long haul. It’s a long way from Almiera to Caen (three days) and try as I might, I have really been unable to see how a can exploding can cause a house to be gutted. I have tried imagining myself in the same scenario. Sat here at my PC spraying that compressed air into my keyboard. It goes bang. Somehow, it sets me alight and the house?? I wouldn’t be able to run up and down the street though as I have no neighbours but I know that after putting my beard and jumper out, my immediate concern would be to put any other flames out, not running up and down the street.
Backstabber■■? Not me ………. Just a cynic
Pig ignorant ■■? Not me ……. Just a seeker of truth
Thanks for your support, paul b …. you are in my book as a “non pack” animal
and good luck TopCat… hope everything works out for you
topcat:
What Sean has just posted, is probably quite correct., and very diplomatic. It’s a shame all round, but that’s life, if being an owner driver was that easy , everyboby would be one !!.All I would like is for some form of contact from Ian just to sort this matter out. As I posted on my thread, I can’t (and don’t ) blame him for all 100% for my postition, it was a part of a snowball effect, with extremly late payment’s, non payments, and my truck needing expensive part’s.
It was the non communication part that has infuriated me, when he thought it was ok to tell everyone on trucknet of his plight.
But hey, life moves on, you live and learn
i’d not followed this thread since 29th Dec", but was surprised at the nature and subject of the of the posts on here.
My boss is still owed money from late payers, to the business that he closed at the end of July (through choice and not insolvency), some people are just late payer’s, which lands other’s in the (zb) if it goes wrong, this is as it has allways been, doesnt help," But hey, life moves on, you live and learn “TC”.
As for TC, i dont know the guy but his post above, show’s him to be truly generous, and the sort of character who’ll pick himself up, and press onwards and upwards. He’d kept his council until i think he felt compelled to air his feelings, or at least those he wanted to make available for public consumption.
Good on you, A true Gent
im with you austin on this one i havent commented because i dont belive a word of it either.
the newspaper only reports what it is told and if its told a gas canister no bigger than mr pledge explodes causing a fire ten thats whats its prints.
I’m not even gonna lower myself to answer that one.
Wonder who the reporter was who was standing with me outside my house?
Arse-wipes.
ianyng:
Arse-wipes.
Ouch thats low , in fact right at the bottom
Ok, I think this thread’s been done to death now. It’s entirely about slinging accusations and having a go at people who disagree with you.
I suggest that Topcat and Ian need to resolve their differences privately, and that the rest of us need to accept that we will only ever, at best, be in possession of one side of the full facts
Can we just let it be now before it crosses the line into Personal Attack and gets pulled, please?
I think you should put that last remark behind you ian…
As for the record, for whats been said by previous posters…i too was one of them slaggers off on the previous story.
I thought ian was going into deep waters where he hadnt been before, that the trip hadnt been planned properly etc…but didnt want to be the one who says i told you so… it seems that the further the trip…the bigger the problems…but…i was very sorry to hear of ian`s plight…he would still have a transport company now…if it wasnt for the house fire…and thats not his fault…and thats not anyone business either…whether he owes money to a friend of yours or mine…its between them…but you cant have what he hasnt got…even if he manages to climb the ladder and get his house in order…i doubt if he will take chances like before…but i wish him good luck for the future…