I would guess that is the last of his worries at present keepin eveyone informed ref the bullets!!
Business I can only assume is being sold off to generate sum cash to get sumwhere to live or to repay the money borrowed to start up!!!
routier:
I would guess that is the last of his worries at present keepin eveyone informed ref the bullets!!
maybe so but it was a very interesting saga.
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ianyng:
I’ll be looking at bringing it back very soon.
Wasn’t quite clear with the situation with your driver as you said he hadn’t been in touch. Has he dumped it and done a runner or is he waiting for you to find him a backload?
Salut, David.
So Ian, have you gone into official recievership or just run out of money to pay your current creditors?
TheBear:
The bloody scary thing for me is I use these compressed air canisters too!!! for the same purpose!!
I just found an empty one here - label says
Viking Direct Air Duster - Non flammable
small print
“Contains 7% by mass flammable content”
Ian only just read your post,what a terrible year you have had,things can surely only get better and I sincerely hope they will for you all,thank goodness you all got out ok.
Wishing you all the very best of luck for 2006.
regards derek
Plambert:
So Ian, have you gone into official recievership or just run out of money to pay your current creditors?
This is unfortunately why I do not have a lot of sympathy for this thread!!!
I know of an O/D that, since I left home, has now gone bust due to the monies owed to him by Mr Y. I knew about this before this thread even started.
Sorry, Mr Y, but you made a reply where you said about NSH being a jinx and your house burning down but never made a remark about the insurance questions being asked. There is still loads you are not saying whilst trying to illicit sympathy from us all.
As a matter of interest, and because I cannot be bothered to go back to the original thread, did Kelberg convince you you wouldn´t need full R&M on new trucks?? Because thats what they told my Boss… just wondered if you thought you could save a few bob by going into Europe with new trucks and no R&M.
ianyng:
One thing I know - I’m not talkin’ to NSH anymore - he’s a ruddy jinx!
I ask him if he knows any operating centres going spare - and my house burns down!
muckles:
Sorry to hear about your run of bad luck. Sad
Perhaps you can get your own back on the bad jojo from NSH by going into partnership with him.
If he did that he’d find out how “thing could get any worse” with my jonah effect going on & his bad luck we could probably end destroying the UK haulage industry altogether !!!
TheBear:
Plambert:
So Ian, have you gone into official recievership or just run out of money to pay your current creditors?This is unfortunately why I do not have a lot of sympathy for this thread!!!
I know of an O/D that, since I left home, has now gone bust due to the monies owed to him by Mr Y. I knew about this before this thread even started.
I cant comment with any authority as I dont know the full background,but looking at it from an outsiders point of view here’s my take on it.
I think Ian is like a lot of businesmen in that he has tried to grow his business by expanding & renewing his fleet.This would involve a large finacial commitment on his behalf so I doubt he intended things to turn out the way they have.
I would assume that having got new contracts he had priced them to get a good return and thought maybe he could help out a fellow member by giving the offer of some work.
Having done this a sequence of events took place that was out of his control thereby rendering him in some financial difficulties.
At this point I think he may have let himself down by not communicating with his creditors in a manner that he should have whether this was through embarrasment or in the vain hopes that if he could get paid for a job that was outstanding he may be able to cover the money owed or that he was juggling his finances to try and find the capital from somewhere?
At the end of the day the damage is done now and cannot be undone maybe if Ian has some recourse to the insurance ombudsman but even if he does there will be no payout for at least a couple of years.
I do have great sympathy for the other member as he is in the same finacial position as Ian through no fault of his own
All I can say is I dont think any of this has been malicious or intentional,I’m sure all the parties in question have the strength of character to get through this episode and come out the other side wiser & stronger people.
I dont think kicking sombody while they are down solves any issues especially when nobody is in a position to bring a mutually satisfactory conclusion to what has happend.
north surrey haulage:
I dont think kicking sombody while they are down solves any issues
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What Sean has just posted, is probably quite correct., and very diplomatic. It’s a shame all round, but that’s life, if being an owner driver was that easy , everyboby would be one !!.
All I would like is for some form of contact from Ian just to sort this matter out. As I posted on my thread, I can’t (and don’t ) blame him for all 100% for my postition, it was a part of a snowball effect, with extremly late payment’s, non payments, and my truck needing expensive part’s.
It was the non communication part that has infuriated me, when he thought it was ok to tell everyone on trucknet of his plight.
But hey, life moves on, you live and learn 
I’m with NSH on this one. Obviously there’s a lot we don’t know so it’s hard to comment on any of the details, but I’m pretty sure that Ian didn’t intend to go bankrupt, and when business go under there are inevitably going to be creditors who lose out. Obviously when those creditors are small businesses or one man bands it’s going to affect them more than if they are big companies. As others have said, an owner driver subcontracting for another owner driver is always going to be a risky business and you have to take this on board when you accept a job I guess.
Paul
topcat:
What Sean has just posted, is probably quite correct., and very diplomatic.
There’s somthing you dont see very often
My name and the word diplomatic in the same sentance 
i’ve never read so much [zb] in my life! sympathy? what for? cus the bloke wanted to fly before he could walk, because he’s got no insurance on his house that would’ve cost a poxy three hundred quid a year, because he took on a job that nobody else would touch or because he’s been kind enough to take another o/d down with him even though it seems highly likely he’s been paid for the work that o/d did?
anyone with anything about em would’ve squared the bloke up before he went pop, at the end of the day if your going bust whats it matter what you owe to who? so why drag a bloke down with yer who turned out and done the work?
to me, thats bang out of order!
sorry if this seems harsh but what ever bad luck befalls anyone it don’t stop em doing the “right” thing.
If it needs starts it’s not allowed. L.
paul b:
i’ve never read so much [zb] in my life! sympathy? what for? cus the bloke wanted to fly before he could walk, because he’s got no insurance on his house that would’ve cost a poxy three hundred quid a year, because he took on a job that nobody else would touch or because he’s been kind enough to take another o/d down with him even though it seems highly likely he’s been paid for the work that o/d did?
anyone with anything about em would’ve squared the bloke up before he went pop, at the end of the day if your going bust whats it matter what you owe to who? so why drag a bloke down with yer who turned out and done the work?
to me, thats bang out of order!
sorry if this seems harsh but what ever bad luck befalls anyone it don’t stop em doing the “right” thing.If it needs starts it’s not allowed. L.
Yet another one on there high and mighty horse 
simon
what a strange thing to say
Not strange at all, the blokes hit rock bottom and your still kicking him thats all 
simon
anyone with anything about em would’ve squared the bloke up before he went pop, at the end of the day if your going bust whats it matter what you owe to who? so why drag a bloke down with yer who turned out and done the work?
I have serious doubts about that being a fact. isn’t it more likely that when things started going pear shaped, it spiralled down so quickly that no payments were made to anybody, or maybe only to those that might have been neccessary to keep the business afloat.
NONE of us (as far as i am aware) know the full story, or Ians previous financial situation, but those of us that have been unfortunate enough to lose everything & start all over WILL know what he is suffering & as much as i feel for the smaller creditors of his, i’m afraid that’s just the way it happens sometimes.
I got taken down for a lot of money in 1998 & in return took a few quids worth of creditors with me, luckily for my conscience the smallest was a company with a £15m turnover, but had there been subbies involved, I wnet down the alley like a cat with his arse on fire & there was NO chance of choosing who went with me !!.
All i’m saying is … If you have never been there, try not to make too many judgements yet, you might have to eat your words one day. Be nice on the way up & all that
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