I have looked on interweb and can’t find anything in stone, but. What is the legislation for employing EU members when we leave the European Union. If there are any links can a member please post them. Apologies if this has been explained to death on this site already.
In short any company wishing to employ from outside the UK will need to apply (and pay a fee) to become a sponsor. This takes around eight weeks.
Then after that anyone from outside the UK will need to comply with language and salary requirements. They will also need to be deemed as “skilled workers” which will no doubt be workers of which we may be running low on.
toonsy:
In short any company wishing to employ from outside the UK will need to apply (and pay a fee) to become a sponsor. This takes around eight weeks.Then after that anyone from outside the UK will need to comply with language and salary requirements. They will also need to be deemed as “skilled workers” which will no doubt be workers of which we may be running low on.
From a UK driver’s perspective it does look quite positive. There’s no mention of HGV driving being considered a skilled occupation and although it won’t affect EE drivers already living here it may well prevent further erosion of pay and conditions when the eu expands into Albania, Ukraine, Moldova and similar economic basket cases.
I certainly agree with the requirement to speak a minimum level of English. An EE driver turned up at our yard today (in a British registered truck) and after trying four or five times to convey the message “I’m leaving the yard in five minutes in that truck there (points finger), when I do, you drive in” being met with the Polish equivalent of “¿qué?”, I gave up and left it to somebody higher up the pay scale to try to explain.
markqpr:
I have looked on interweb and can’t find anything in stone, but. What is the legislation for employing EU members when we leave the European Union. If there are any links can a member please post them. Apologies if this has been explained to death on this site already.
If they’re already here it just continues as it has been.
If they’re not here then they need to get a visa to come and work here. They’ll need to meet minimum standards for english and pay, they’d have to have an employer sponsor them but more importantly they’d only be able to come here if there was a shortage of workers for that type of work. And as DVSA said when asked in an enquiry a while back there’s plenty of LGV licence holders to meet demand.
Basically for haulage it means the tap of cheap eastern european drivers is going to be turned off. As for that meaning more pay for us, I’m not that naive to think it will.
Conor:
markqpr:
I have looked on interweb and can’t find anything in stone, but. What is the legislation for employing EU members when we leave the European Union. If there are any links can a member please post them. Apologies if this has been explained to death on this site already.If they’re already here it just continues as it has been.
If they’re not here then they need to get a visa to come and work here. They’ll need to meet minimum standards for english and pay, they’d have to have an employer sponsor them but more importantly they’d only be able to come here if there was a shortage of workers for that type of work. And as DVSA said when asked in an enquiry a while back there’s plenty of LGV licence holders to meet demand.
Basically for haulage it means the tap of cheap eastern european drivers is going to be turned off. As for that meaning more pay for us, I’m not that naive to think it will.
From the Gov links posted the general case salary minmum required is £25,600, but can be £21,000 if there are a shortage of particular workers, such as those with PhDs. As you say it isn’t designed to raise pay for workers.
Harry Monk:
I certainly agree with the requirement to speak a minimum level of English. An EE driver turned up at our yard today (in a British registered truck) and after trying four or five times to convey the message “I’m leaving the yard in five minutes in that truck there (points finger), when I do, you drive in” being met with the Polish equivalent of “¿qué?”, I gave up and left it to somebody higher up the pay scale to try to explain.
One of our drivers had a similar problem this morning.
Driver couldn’t reverse onto an easy bay at our place, and was greeted with grunts when he tried to explain to him what to do. They had to get a supervisor out of the office who spoke the language, which begs the question…how do they understand road signs?
Ken.
Quinny:
Harry Monk:
I certainly agree with the requirement to speak a minimum level of English. An EE driver turned up at our yard today (in a British registered truck) and after trying four or five times to convey the message “I’m leaving the yard in five minutes in that truck there (points finger), when I do, you drive in” being met with the Polish equivalent of “¿qué?”, I gave up and left it to somebody higher up the pay scale to try to explain.One of our drivers had a similar problem this morning.
Driver couldn’t reverse onto an easy bay at our place, and was greeted with grunts when he tried to explain to him what to do. They had to get a supervisor out of the office who spoke the language, which begs the question…how do they understand road signs?
Ken.
Probably the same way I understand road signs when I’m in France/Spain/Italy/Germany etc despite not being fluent in any of those languages.
toonsy:
Probably the same way I understand road signs when I’m in France/Spain/Italy/Germany etc despite not being fluent in any of those languages.
So what is: Pedestrians in road, Merge in turn, Debris in carriageway, Loose animals and the other various messages seen on overhead matrix signs in those languages, let alone some of the others?
cav551:
toonsy:
Probably the same way I understand road signs when I’m in France/Spain/Italy/Germany etc despite not being fluent in any of those languages.So what is: Pedestrians in road, Merge in turn, Debris in carriageway, Loose animals and the other various messages seen on overhead matrix signs in those languages, let alone some of the others?
No idea. But say in Holland the road messages mean nothing to me as such other than key words. If I see ‘ongeval’ I know that means accident, likewise I know that ‘brouillard’ means fog in France. Maybe they too pick out words? Maybe they pay no notice just like some UK drivers because they know the offending gantry has just been left on for the past six weeks?
If we’ve ‘left’ the EU what is the relevance of them being ‘EU’ drivers to us ?.
The clue is in the word ‘left’ the EU.
But we all know that Boris means Remain.
cav551:
toonsy:
Probably the same way I understand road signs when I’m in France/Spain/Italy/Germany etc despite not being fluent in any of those languages.So what is: Pedestrians in road, Merge in turn, Debris in carriageway, Loose animals and the other various messages seen on overhead matrix signs in those languages, let alone some of the others?
All (?) matrices show pictograms of lane closure and speed limits. Dies it really matter whether an incident is due to cattle or pedestrians? Pictograms exist for animals, fog, slippery surfaces etc. If a responsible driver sees a sign they don’t understand wouldn’t they just adopt an extra cautious attitude? And if they’re nor a responsible driver it matters not at all what language any sign is in.
Harry Monk:
An EE driver turned up at our yard today (in a British registered truck) and after trying four or five times to convey the message “I’m leaving the yard in five minutes in that truck there (points finger), when I do, you drive in” being met with the Polish equivalent of “¿qué?”, I gave up and left it to somebody higher up the pay scale to try to explain.
Here, this should help:
It`s an oldie, but
youtube.com/watch?v=D8CoZo0h-Uo
And what is the German for “merge in order”?
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rei%C3%9F … sverfahren
cav551:
toonsy:
Probably the same way I understand road signs when I’m in France/Spain/Italy/Germany etc despite not being fluent in any of those languages.So what is: Pedestrians in road, Merge in turn, Debris in carriageway, Loose animals and the other various messages seen on overhead matrix signs in those languages, let alone some of the others?
33 countries in ten years, never had a problem.
Harry Monk:
I certainly agree with the requirement to speak a minimum level of English. An EE driver turned up at our yard today (in a British registered truck) and after trying four or five times to convey the message “I’m leaving the yard in five minutes in that truck there (points finger), when I do, you drive in” being met with the Polish equivalent of “¿qué?”, I gave up and left it to somebody higher up the pay scale to try to explain.
The point here is that the man is driving a UK registered lorry so he has made the decision to come to the UK for work it is not unreasonable to expect him to have a basic grasp of the language. Perhaps if the woman working in the sweat shops in Leicester had a better grasp of English they might have seen on various media outlets that the minimum wage in the UK is not £3.50 an hour, having no understanding of the language where you chose to live leaves you open to exploitation.
with 3 to 4 million uk people unemployed now, there should not be any eu workers here taking our people,s work, every ind est you go on there are eastern europeans in office, warehouse ,drivers that unemployed brits should be working in. tesco, sainsburys asda co-0p virtually all eastern people now employed. its a national scandal. looking to the future there will be no work for aspiring british nationals
ripperman:
with 3 to 4 million uk people unemployed now, there should not be any eu workers here taking our people,s work, every ind est you go on there are eastern europeans in office, warehouse ,drivers that unemployed brits should be working in. tesco, sainsburys asda co-0p virtually all eastern people now employed. its a national scandal. looking to the future there will be no work for aspiring british nationals
EU workers have never taken anyone’s job. That’s a load of crap. What they have done is apply for and get work that British people decided they didn’t want to do. Those jobs existed for anyone to take up, they didn’t go “oh here’s a Pole without a job, let’s create one for them”. Quite a few of the recently unemployed UK people have degrees and had decent paying jobs, how many of them have been phoning up agencies to do shifts at a food factory or in a distribution warehouse? A hell of a lot less than the Eastern Europeans who came over here with degrees, even in fields like engineering, and took anything they could get regardless of what it was.
There are Eastern Europeans driving lorries because very few British want to do it. There are 10,000 more people leaving lorry driving than even applying for provisional LGV licences and that includes the licence applications from the military and emergency services who may never drive lorries commercially.
The national scandal is we have a nation of lazy twunts who thanks to our welfare system and parents happy to have their mid 20’s kidults still live at home can afford to sit at home instead of working in warehouses etc.
That last paragraph from Conor hit the nail on the head.
Very often they take jobs that are deemed as “beneath” a UK worker or they simply feel that the effort is not worth it.
Can anyone remind me how Britain’s army of fruit pickers in the first lockdown went? I seem to recall most of them jacked after a couple of days…
Conor:
EU workers have never taken anyone’s job. That’s a load of crap. What they have done is apply for and get work that British people decided they didn’t want to do.
So British truck drivers didn’t want to do continental work?
Harry Monk:
Conor:
EU workers have never taken anyone’s job. That’s a load of crap. What they have done is apply for and get work that British people decided they didn’t want to do.So British truck drivers didn’t want to do continental work?
Nope they all much prefer to take all those unfilled continuously advertised local building materials and class 3 multi drop delivery jobs.
Oh wait.
As for Conor’s bollox.
He’ll obviously have no problem with a rule that any job done by immigrant workers has to remain advertised and given to an indigenous worker if that indigenous worker applies for it.