Punchy Dan:
One of my stand in drivers also drives the local fire engine he says the reason that the ambulance drivers crash so much or show poor blue light driving is because they are not trained the same as the police & fire drivers are .
Unless ther have been changes firefighters and ambulance drivers go through the same blue light training.
Really? Are you sure, maybe fact check yourself. There is no legal requirement for an ambulance driver to attend a blue light course. Furthermore if said vehicle is registered has a first aid kit, it’s an ambulance. And as long as it’s for legal purpose any Tom ■■■■ ( maybe not ■■■■ he’s patrolling the M6) or Harry can drive an ambulance car,/ vehicle.
Straightish motorway you’ve obviously never driven the A60 at 140 mph + let alone 150 the A1 is fun too.
No I haven’t because that would be totally irresponsible and a complete danger to everbody around. I have however driven at higher speeds on race tracks which do have proper corners some being blind on approach. Most road drivers who brag about driving fast on the road turn out to be completely hopeless on a track.I suspect you would be one.
BTW the A60 and A1 are not motorways dopey.
Punchy Dan:
One of my stand in drivers also drives the local fire engine he says the reason that the ambulance drivers crash so much or show poor blue light driving is because they are not trained the same as the police & fire drivers are .
Unless ther have been changes firefighters and ambulance drivers go through the same blue light training.
Really? Are you sure, maybe fact check yourself. There is no legal requirement for an ambulance driver to attend a blue light course. Furthermore if said vehicle is registered has a first aid kit, it’s an ambulance. And as long as it’s for legal purpose any Tom ■■■■ ( maybe not ■■■■ he’s patrolling the M6) or Harry can drive an ambulance car,/ vehicle.
No I am not sure as I said and I cannot be bothered to find out but what I can tell you if an ambulance is fitted with blue lights a driver cannot use them without prior training.
Punchy Dan:
One of my stand in drivers also drives the local fire engine he says the reason that the ambulance drivers crash so much or show poor blue light driving is because they are not trained the same as the police & fire drivers are .
Unless ther have been changes firefighters and ambulance drivers go through the same blue light training.
Really? Are you sure, maybe fact check yourself. There is no legal requirement for an ambulance driver to attend a blue light course. Furthermore if said vehicle is registered has a first aid kit, it’s an ambulance. And as long as it’s for legal purpose any Tom ■■■■ ( maybe not ■■■■ he’s patrolling the M6) or Harry can drive an ambulance car,/ vehicle.
No I am not sure as I said and I cannot be bothered to find out but what I can tell you if an ambulance is fitted with blue lights a driver cannot use them without prior training.
Your talking utter nonsense, here is no national training course or any legal requirements to drive an ambulance on B&T
There are courses provided by employers, but all in house no actual assessment as a truck driver test and result … your obviously not up to speed on Blue light training and regs.
I have no idea whos right and im not taking sides due to not knowing for sure but I will be very surprised if you are allowed to drive an ambulance with siren and blue lights (which entitles you to go through red lights and most importantly to exceed the speed limit) without having to sit a course and prove you have the capabilities for said responsibility
I can say for certain that the greater majority of LGV drivers are virtually at the standard shown in the OPs video link
I used to be a senior IAM observer/teacher/trainer and ALL the LGV drivers I got through the advanced test in either their own cars or company lorries did it with ease - often after 1 or 2 runs out prior to test whereas the standard car driver would take an average of 6 runs prior to test
It is the generally enhanced all round vision and forward planning which is common to both advanced and LGV drivers
Scenario -
2 lane road with right hand side turn approaching
4x4 car in side turn indicating left
Non forward planning driver might just react at last minute if 4x4 starts to come out using a bit of opposite lane for the front end swing
Forward planning driver would be expecting that might happen and adjust accordingly on approach
Well ■■■■ sorry to disappoint you, i drive with that much forward planning and perception everyday, day in day out. I suspect its numptys like you that cant plan ahead as you always seem to encounter the alleged bad drivers, or is it your such a prat that your the problem and get in everybodys way.
ROG:
I can say for certain that the greater majority of LGV drivers are virtually at the standard shown in the OPs video link
I used to be a senior IAM observer/teacher/trainer and ALL the LGV drivers I got through the advanced test in either their own cars or company lorries did it with ease - often after 1 or 2 runs out prior to test whereas the standard car driver would take an average of 6 runs prior to test
It is the generally enhanced all round vision and forward planning which is common to both advanced and LGV drivers
Scenario -
2 lane road with right hand side turn approaching
4x4 car in side turn indicating left
Non forward planning driver might just react at last minute if 4x4 starts to come out using a bit of opposite lane for the front end swing
Forward planning driver would be expecting that might happen and adjust accordingly on approach
Rog I used to do the same and I can tell you the advanced LGV test (which only a very small percentage of lorry drivers have done) is not anywhere near the same or as involved as police advanced training and blue light training etc which I have also done.
ROG:
I can say for certain that the greater majority of LGV drivers are virtually at the standard shown in the OPs video link
I used to be a senior IAM observer/teacher/trainer and ALL the LGV drivers I got through the advanced test in either their own cars or company lorries did it with ease - often after 1 or 2 runs out prior to test whereas the standard car driver would take an average of 6 runs prior to test
It is the generally enhanced all round vision and forward planning which is common to both advanced and LGV drivers
Scenario -
2 lane road with right hand side turn approaching
4x4 car in side turn indicating left
Non forward planning driver might just react at last minute if 4x4 starts to come out using a bit of opposite lane for the front end swing
Forward planning driver would be expecting that might happen and adjust accordingly on approach
Each to his own, but I’ve never seen the reason any qualified and competent HGV driver would either want to or feel the need to take an advanced driver course…is it a type of insecurity, lack of confidence or what?
I don’t consider myself to be any better driver than anyone else with similar experience to myself,.I know I’ve picked up what could be described as bad habits over the years, but still feel my driving is at the least satisfactory, and sufficient quality for me to carry on without wanting reassurance or the dubious kudos of holding any type of advanced driver certificate…and end up people avoiding me at parties.
I’ve never been unsure of myself, (surprise ) but pretty sure that whether I took an advanced driver course or not, it would make no difference to me in real terms, other than getting some kind of worthless certificate to hang up in the khazi
(Sorry to wind you up Jakey, you know I still love you
Love the new avatar btw, but you look nothing like I expected )
well, for once rob i have to disagree mate, early 90’s the co i worked for put us all through the ROSPA advanced course,(ii was part of that b.s 5750 bollix which they eventually binned.) anyhow found it very useful to improve my driving but mainly with a fresh certificate in hand 5 months later i was driving petrol tankers and told it was the cert that swung it for me…
tankers was still a coveted job in those days and set me up for a good career in transport even though i only done 9 yrs at it that cert impressed many future employers…
m.a.n rules:
well, for once rob i have to disagree mate, early 90’s the co i worked for put us all through the ROSPA advanced course,(ii was part of that b.s 5750 bollix which they eventually binned.) anyhow found it very useful to improve my driving but mainly with a fresh certificate in hand 5 months later i was driving petrol tankers and told it was the cert that swung it for me…
tankers was still a coveted job in those days and set me up for a good career in transport even though i only done 9 yrs at it that cert impressed many future employers…
p.s i passed the test at gold standard…
Oh yeh if somebody was going to pay for me, and it was in work time, I’d be right in there.
I’m quite partial to any type of freebie.
I’ve just got used to having no perks and having to pay for everything myself with our lot, so I’m just thinking everybody else works for a ■■■■ firm also.
jakethesnake:
Rog I used to do the same and I can tell you the advanced LGV test (which only a very small percentage of lorry drivers have done) is not anywhere near the same or as involved as police advanced training and blue light training etc which I have also done.
I totally agree
The civvy advanced is at the same level as the police response course without the B&Ts, breaking the speed limits or the stress associated with an incident
robroy:
Each to his own, but I’ve never seen the reason any qualified and competent HGV driver would either want to or feel the need to take an advanced driver course…is it a type of insecurity, lack of confidence or what?
Most do it to prove they are capable of it as well as getting their general driving checked which may be many years since it was last done
Others, especially those using company trucks did it as the company got reduced insurance rates as well as for the above reason
There are still many drivers of all sorts on our roads who have never had their driving checked for years and years
when i worked for said co it was hands on family run and we all felt like family, 5 yrs after i left they had gone from 8 motors to 45 took their hands off approach and let muppets run it you can guess what came next… so i understand your comments but i knew once we started the course where i would be taking it to better myself…
m.a.n rules:
well, for once rob i have to disagree mate, early 90’s the co i worked for put us all through the ROSPA advanced course,(ii was part of that b.s 5750 bollix which they eventually binned.) anyhow found it very useful to improve my driving but mainly with a fresh certificate in hand 5 months later i was driving petrol tankers and told it was the cert that swung it for me…
tankers was still a coveted job in those days and set me up for a good career in transport even though i only done 9 yrs at it that cert impressed many future employers…
p.s i passed the test at gold standard…
I totally agree. I do not know a single driver and I’m talking about lots including myself that has not benefited from doing any type of advanced training.
Not a single one has ever said that they hadn’t learned anything with most admitting to learning quite a lot.
I did all my training after driving petrol tankers but have always had akeen interest to drive to decent standard.
) but pretty sure that whether I took an advanced driver course or not, it would make no difference to me in real terms, other than getting some kind of worthless certificate to hang up in the khazi
