Electric is only a goer if we can drive to a service centre drop the battery pack and pick up a fresh one. The system needs to be automated and the vehicle could be washed at the same time. Stopping for about one hour every sixty or hundred miles is no use to commercial drivers.
Build5:
When all trucks are electric where does that leave the guys who park their truck at the back of a farm yard or on a bit of private land somewhere? How are they going to charge the truck?And how are the firms who own small/medium sized outfits (10-50 trucks) going to absorb the cost of installing charging points for each truck?
Where does that leave European trucks and drivers? Where would they charge at the end of the day?
Will electric trucks kill all small firms leaving the field open to just a handful of enormous operators?
Electric trucks are NOT going to happen. Firstly, the size and weight of the battery pack would eat so much of your capacity they will be financially crippling to the industry. Secondly, the range would make them unviable (nights out on a 400km round trip because you’rd out of charge after 200km). Thirdly, they are a con. You have to keep a fully electric car for over 75,000 miles to break even on carbon emissions, so they are NOT saving the planet and to cap it all if every car in JUST the UK swapped to electric tomorrow it would exhaust all of the planet’s known lithium reserves. Also yo put the hydrogen argument to bed, you would need four times the volume of hydrogen to match the power of diesel/petrol engines, so a 1600 litre tank on a unit, which would mean no tri-axles as you’d lise the space.
Franglais:
Conor:
Build5:
They do have a gearbox, diff, alternator, and clutch of sorts.Actually they don’t.
One of the biggest issues with EVs has been tyre wear due to the fact the maximum torque is applied from 1RPM. They don’t need a clutch because these motors can turn extremely slowly and they can apply their full torque from 1RPM. The motors can rev up to silly speeds, and as I said they provide max torque from standstill so no need for a gearbox. Each driven wheel has it’s own motor so no need for a diff. The same motors that drive the vehicle also generate an electric current on over-run so no need for an alternator.
Seems the Tesla S has one motor and a diff.
youtube.com/watch?v=3SAxXUI … ex=11&t=0s
Maybe some other designs may have separate motors for each side?
Tyre wear is not surprising if a two wheel drive car does 0 to 60 in 2.5sec…
youtube.com/watch?v=qLvpLGFacjQ
AFAIK none of the current crop of EVs uses one motor per wheel. In all cases there’s a conventional diff on the driven axle(s), although Tesla apparently have a tri-motor (one front, two at the back) version of the Model S on the way - that will still have a conventional diff at the front and might even have one at the rear as well.
Punchy Dan:
I wonder if lorries will skip batteries and go straight to hydrogen ,■■■■■■■ are on it as always
A battery pack (maybe on the trailer) to recup energy as one brakes on descents, so extending refueling stops, plus hydrogen fuel cells?
Pure guess, but some hybrid form of hydrogen use is quite possible.
Buses are well ahead of trucks on the ‘electric avenue’, but are by no means 100% a success everywhere
berlinspectator.com/2019/06/11/ … -the-city/
Engineering the vehicle is the easy part: having a depot near to a power sub-station with sufficient surplus capacity is the key. The depot also has to be arranged so all the buses can be parked adjacent to charger.
Some trucks have the electric motor where the engine-gearbox would be, and some have a two-speed gearbox.
The Mercedes electric truck uses a ZF eAxle first developed for buses…two ‘asynchronus motors’: one motor drives each wheel. There’s no transmission at all
Interesting that according to Elon Musk there should be fleets of Tesla semi-trucks running in North America now, and being charged at a network of Tesla superchargers…but there aren’t.
I’m told that when the Tesla ‘semi’ was in development, no one explained the concept of payload to the engineers. It’s perfectly possible that Tesla did develop a truck with the range that was claimed, but the company has never revealed any data about how much it weighs, or what it can carry.
I challenged a Tesla person about this…and he said that the truck would have a payload of 80,000 lb. I asked him to double-check and get back to me with that in writing. Of course, he never did!
I remember back in 2006, Modec electric vehicles were going to revolutionise the CV market. They absorbed a lot of Government money and went bust. Then the design was sold to Navistar in the USA, and it was a case of rinse and repeat.
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
I wonder if lorries will skip batteries and go straight to hydrogen ,■■■■■■■ are on it as alwaysA battery pack (maybe on the trailer) to recup energy as one brakes on descents, so extending refueling stops, plus hydrogen fuel cells?
Pure guess, but some hybrid form of hydrogen use is quite possible.
They’ve already put hydrogen to bed for planes because you need four times the volume/weight of hydroden to match kerosene. So practically and financially unviable, as it would be for trucks because of weight and tank size, and that’s before the production/infrastructure it requires (negating any carbon savings).
mac12:
According to the Nissan website the Nissan Leaf takes 11.5 hours for a full charge of 239 miles in perfect conditions or 2 per day per charger. How will trucks charge in 1 hour
By using high power chargers. Those Nissan figures are for the low power domestic chargers and many of the publicly available chargers which are constrained by the same power supply limitations. The same website says that if you use one of the Chademo rapid chargers (available at around 8000 locations in UK and increasing almost daily) the same car can be taken from 20% charge to 80% in about an hour. Tesla’s Supercharger network is faster still (but only Tesla cars can use them…).
Truckerian99:
Build5:
When all trucks are electric where does that leave the guys who park their truck at the back of a farm yard or on a bit of private land somewhere? How are they going to charge the truck?And how are the firms who own small/medium sized outfits (10-50 trucks) going to absorb the cost of installing charging points for each truck?
Where does that leave European trucks and drivers? Where would they charge at the end of the day?
Will electric trucks kill all small firms leaving the field open to just a handful of enormous operators?
Electric trucks are NOT going to happen. Firstly, the size and weight of the battery pack would eat so much of your capacity they will be financially crippling to the industry. Secondly, the range would make them unviable (nights out on a 400km round trip because you’rd out of charge after 200km). Thirdly, they are a con. You have to keep a fully electric car for over 75,000 miles to break even on carbon emissions, so they are NOT saving the planet and to cap it all if every car in JUST the UK swapped to electric tomorrow it would exhaust all of the planet’s known lithium reserves. Also yo put the hydrogen argument to bed, you would need four times the volume of hydrogen to match the power of diesel/petrol engines, so a 1600 litre tank on a unit, which would mean no tri-axles as you’d lise the space.
Electric trucks will happen because after 2025 they will be legally bound (same as car manufacturers) by the EU to reduce emissions by 15% by 2025 & even more stringent reductions for 30% in emissions in 2030, To give you an example of what it will cost truck manufacturers if they don’t hit their CO2 targets, Honda missed the 95g/km limit by the skin of it’s teeth & had to pool with Tesla to gain carbon credits, It still cost Honda over €100million, FCA had to pay Tesla €2billion for carbon credits, VW are looking at a ·€1.8billion fine for missing their emission targets. These were the regulations/limits before the upcoming tougher Euro Cat 7 standards so expect the limits to be lowered even further. hgvuk.com/agreement-on-co2- … t-on-hgvs/
Truckerian99:
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
I wonder if lorries will skip batteries and go straight to hydrogen ,■■■■■■■ are on it as alwaysA battery pack (maybe on the trailer) to recup energy as one brakes on descents, so extending refueling stops, plus hydrogen fuel cells?
Pure guess, but some hybrid form of hydrogen use is quite possible.They’ve already put hydrogen to bed for planes because you need four times the volume/weight of hydroden to match kerosene. So practically and financially unviable, as it would be for trucks because of weight and tank size, and that’s before the production/infrastructure it requires (negating any carbon savings).
Is that a cut and paste from a Christmas cracker?
Build5:
When all trucks are electric where does that leave the guys who park their truck at the back of a farm yard or on a bit of private land somewhere? How are they going to charge the truck?And how are the firms who own small/medium sized outfits (10-50 trucks) going to absorb the cost of installing charging points for each truck?
Where does that leave European trucks and drivers? Where would they charge at the end of the day?
Will electric trucks kill all small firms leaving the field open to just a handful of enormous operators?
Suggest you Google “Anaerobic Digesters” or “PV panels” as see a right few Farms with same nowadays!!! 
Truckerian99:
Build5:
When all trucks are electric where does that leave the guys who park their truck at the back of a farm yard or on a bit of private land somewhere? How are they going to charge the truck?And how are the firms who own small/medium sized outfits (10-50 trucks) going to absorb the cost of installing charging points for each truck?
Where does that leave European trucks and drivers? Where would they charge at the end of the day?
Will electric trucks kill all small firms leaving the field open to just a handful of enormous operators?
Electric trucks are NOT going to happen. Firstly, the size and weight of the battery pack would eat so much of your capacity they will be financially crippling to the industry. Secondly, the range would make them unviable (nights out on a 400km round trip because you’rd out of charge after 200km). Thirdly, they are a con. You have to keep a fully electric car for over 75,000 miles to break even on carbon emissions, so they are NOT saving the planet and to cap it all if every car in JUST the UK swapped to electric tomorrow it would exhaust all of the planet’s known lithium reserves. Also yo put the hydrogen argument to bed, you would need four times the volume of hydrogen to match the power of diesel/petrol engines, so a 1600 litre tank on a unit, which would mean no tri-axles as you’d lise the space.
Like LPG Hydrogen is carried in compressed form.
But it takes more electric to make it than the energy it contains.
If the claims of limitless reserves of free renewable energy for EV’s are true then the same applies for hydrogen which can then be used to fuel ICE powered vehicles in the usual way.Without the battery problem.
That’s if anyone really believes that CO2 isn’t just a beneficial gas which is turned into oxygen by plant life.That part of the deal should be optional and a matter of choice.
lancpudn:
Electric trucks will happen because after 2025 they will be legally bound (same as car manufacturers) by the EU to reduce emissions by 15% by 2025 & even more stringent reductions for 30% in emissions in 2030, To give you an example of what it will cost truck manufacturers if they don’t hit their CO2 targets, Honda missed the 95g/km limit by the skin of it’s teeth & had to pool with Tesla to gain carbon credits, It still cost Honda over €100million, FCA had to pay Tesla €2billion for carbon credits, VW are looking at a ·€1.8billion fine for missing their emission targets. These were the regulations/limits before the upcoming tougher Euro Cat 7 standards so expect the limits to be lowered even further. hgvuk.com/agreement-on-co2- … t-on-hgvs/
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At least you understand why & when.
I gave an outline who is likely to be first & why but most want to talk about tramping / blogo transport from blogs yard all of which are way down the line.
IMO if these new EV max weight vehicles cannot reach the same payload as the ICE equivalent then our masters will simply give them an exemption to run at a higher weight.
Oh well time will tell 
Roymondo:
mac12:
According to the Nissan website the Nissan Leaf takes 11.5 hours for a full charge of 239 miles in perfect conditions or 2 per day per charger. How will trucks charge in 1 hourBy using high power chargers. Those Nissan figures are for the low power domestic chargers and many of the publicly available chargers which are constrained by the same power supply limitations. The same website says that if you use one of the Chademo rapid chargers (available at around 8000 locations in UK and increasing almost daily) the same car can be taken from 20% charge to 80% in about an hour. Tesla’s Supercharger network is faster still (but only Tesla cars can use them…).
Won’t most people have home charges unless they want to spend 5 hours a week charging somewhere else
^^^^ I’d imagine that forward looking companies would fit a number of charging points in the employees car park. They could make a modest sum and the employee would charge his/her car whilst at work.
Old schoolboy electronics, if every lorry has a charging socket as well as a charge socket, when one lorry is charging another lorry plugs into him and so one, link them up in parallel and hope the first one connected doesn’t leave early.
Most farmyards have an electric supply to grain dryers, slurry pumps and farm buildings. JCB already offer electric excavators. I don’t see the logistics of charging to be a huge problem.
Dodgy Permit:
lancpudn:
Electric trucks will happen because after 2025 they will be legally bound (same as car manufacturers) by the EU to reduce emissions by 15% by 2025 & even more stringent reductions for 30% in emissions in 2030, To give you an example of what it will cost truck manufacturers if they don’t hit their CO2 targets, Honda missed the 95g/km limit by the skin of it’s teeth & had to pool with Tesla to gain carbon credits, It still cost Honda over €100million, FCA had to pay Tesla €2billion for carbon credits, VW are looking at a ·€1.8billion fine for missing their emission targets. These were the regulations/limits before the upcoming tougher Euro Cat 7 standards so expect the limits to be lowered even further. hgvuk.com/agreement-on-co2- … t-on-hgvs/
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At least you understand why & when.
I gave an outline who is likely to be first & why but most want to talk about tramping / blogo transport from blogs yard all of which are way down the line.
IMO if these new EV max weight vehicles cannot reach the same payload as the ICE equivalent then our masters will simply give them an exemption to run at a higher weight.
Oh well time will tell
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Yes you’re right by 2040 or sooner Battery technology will have moved on so far that solid state batteries with half the weight & get twice the distant could well be on the cards by then, Tesla electric semi is banking on it if you ask me that’s why the manufacture of them keeps getting pushed back, I agree that at the present time they will not match a fully freighted diesel truck. Even five years is a life time in electric cars/truck as the technology is evolving so fast.
The Nikola TRE electric truck has just left the IVECO factory in Germany to America recently for trials. 
twitter.com/nikolamotor/status/ … lpha-us%2F
Truckerian99:
Franglais:
Punchy Dan:
I wonder if lorries will skip batteries and go straight to hydrogen ,■■■■■■■ are on it as alwaysA battery pack (maybe on the trailer) to recup energy as one brakes on descents, so extending refueling stops, plus hydrogen fuel cells?
Pure guess, but some hybrid form of hydrogen use is quite possible.They’ve already put hydrogen to bed for planes because you need four times the volume/weight of hydroden to match kerosene. So practically and financially unviable, as it would be for trucks because of weight and tank size, and that’s before the production/infrastructure it requires (negating any carbon savings).
Funny that because ■■■■■■■ were only advertising last month with a hydrogen unit .
Punchy Dan:
Truckerian99:
They’ve already put hydrogen to bed for planes because you need four times the volume/weight of hydroden to match kerosene. So practically and financially unviable, as it would be for trucks because of weight and tank size, and that’s before the production/infrastructure it requires (negating any carbon savings).Funny that because ■■■■■■■ were only advertising last month with a hydrogen unit .
youtube.com/watch?v=Ykl2PH2B-tM
It’s clear that hydrogen fuelled ICE is doable just obviously not liked by the ICE haters.