Has anybody joined the Stobbart Franchise scheme and if so is it viable?
No one has or if they have they ain’t saying, maybe confidentiality clause or some such.
niteliner:
Has anybody joined the Stobbart Franchise scheme and if so is it viable?
Hmmm, franchising is always bad. Clearly, if ES is offering franchises, it is because they can’t make money doing it themselves, but they see the opportunity to make ‘management charges’ whilst some other sucker takes all the risks.
My advice would be to steer clear.
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.
You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
GasGas:
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
Can you remember any of the numbers? was it mileage rates? price per day? how much they sold the vehicle to you for? etc?
hello all this is my first post worked as a subbie for 5 years and there is alot of money to be made but they will not let you work because it makes the fleet men luck bad.figures 500 a day -25%=375 aday x 5 = 1875.£625 there profit not yours.unless your name is brewer/woodie/ mulholland
iaint:
hello all this is my first post worked as a subbie for 5 years and there is alot of money to be made but they will not let you work because it makes the fleet men luck bad.figures 500 a day -25%=375 aday x 5 = 1875.£625 there profit not yours.unless your name is brewer/woodie/ mulholland
not worth a Jodrell. 
when they rolled it out a few years back, they wanted £12,000 to start! Then it went £ 5,000 but you still needed minimum £20,000 in your bank! We got asked in the last week of August, for the first week in sept ( CPC ) but five of us went France carp fishing for two weeks! NOT WORTH IT WHATSOEVER! 
breweries and many pints springs to mind! no touchy wid a BARGEPOLE! 
limeyphil:
GasGas:
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
Can you remember any of the numbers? was it mileage rates? price per day? how much they sold the vehicle to you for? etc?
Haven’t they just announced the chilled division lost 13 million,to loose that I guess they were charging a penny a pallet anywhere in the u.k 
( we know the real reason but they’ll not talk about that will they 
.)
I saw 1 price for a job recently and that was donny-Redcar-donny of £366,cost of £179(I’m assuming that’s fuel,drivers wages etc,etc,is that good,bad,you tell me phil.
limeyphil:
GasGas:
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
Can you remember any of the numbers? was it mileage rates? price per day? how much they sold the vehicle to you for? etc?
IIRC you rented or leased the vehicle off them. You had to pay a large deposit/fee upfront.
You were utterly tied to them, couldn’t work the truck elsewhere.
The big no-no was they could summon the truck to work for them at any time…so if you were out of hours you’d have to have another driver available. It was all in a full-page advert in The Sun, effectively you were buying your job.
Then there’s always the danger that they would work their own fleet on the most profitable jobs, and you’d end up running round for the sweepings. I’m not saying that this is what they would do mind, just that there seemed little to stop them doing it that way.
That said, many years ago I knew a bloke who had two ‘Stobart’ trucks on his fleet. They were leased off ESL, and he employed drivers to drive them who had to wear ESL uniforms. As far as he was concerned, it was easy money, because more cash came in than he paid out each month, and he didn’t need to manage the trucks himself as the drivers were controlled by Stobart, but paid by him.But I don’t think the profits were huge.
IfI were starting from cold to be an o/d (and thank the lord I’m not, sir) I’d by a used Renault Premium 6x2 tractor for cash (cheap, light, good on fuel if not flogged everywhere at max weight) and try to get short-haul work moving trailers about for other people (if you live near somewhere where there a lots of industrial estates it’s surprising how many people want trailers moving just short distances and are prepared to pay relatively big money for little jobs), or run night trunks with it moving newspapers or similar.
GasGas:
limeyphil:
GasGas:
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
Can you remember any of the numbers? was it mileage rates? price per day? how much they sold the vehicle to you for? etc?
IIRC you rented or leased the vehicle off them. You had to pay a large deposit/fee upfront.
You were utterly tied to them, couldn’t work the truck elsewhere.
The big no-no was they could summon the truck to work for them at any time…so if you were out of hours you’d have to have another driver available. It was all in a full-page advert in The Sun, effectively you were buying your job.
Then there’s always the danger that they would work their own fleet on the most profitable jobs, and you’d end up running round for the sweepings. I’m not saying that this is what they would do mind, just that there seemed little to stop them doing it that way.
That said, many years ago I knew a bloke who had two ‘Stobart’ trucks on his fleet. They were leased off ESL, and he employed drivers to drive them who had to wear ESL uniforms. As far as he was concerned, it was easy money, because more cash came in than he paid out each month, and he didn’t need to manage the trucks himself as the driqvers were controlled by Stobart, but paid by him.But I don’t think the profits were huge.
IfI were starting from cold to be an o/d (and thank the lord I’m not, sir) I’d by a used Renault Premium 6x2 tractor for cash (cheap, light, good on fuel if not flogged everywhere at max weight) and try to get short-haul work moving trailers about for other people (if you live near somewhere where there a lots of industrial estates it’s surprising how many people want trailers moving just short distances and are prepared to pay relatively big money for little jobs), or run night trunks with it moving newspapers or similar.
why on earth would you need to work elsewhere,the work was guaranteed,for god sake the place is over following with agency,casual,subbies,foreign subbies,there 10,s,100,s of drivers short for shifts at times,there begging you to work o/t then you need to look elsewhere for work for the truck,really .
Never ceases to amaze me the rubbish people put on here when it comes to any thing stobart,I’m one of there least fans these days after what they did too a business,my mates and way they still continue to carry on,but that doesn’t alter the fact 99% of what’s put on here to do with stobart s is total garbage,but no surprise is it .
Maybe, just maybe, the reason for looking for other work would be that it was/would be better paid/rewards.
Dozy.
Learn to read, And learn to spell.
The bloke didn’t say he had to look for other work, He simply stated what was in the contract.
Bjerknes
dozy:
GasGas:
limeyphil:
GasGas:
I had a look at the numbers when they first advertised the scheme.You could just about scrape a living out of it except they wanted the truck to do more hours than one driver could do legally. As soon as you factored in the cost of a second wage (even part time), your profit went up in smoke. So the harder your truck worked, the less money you’d make.
Can you remember any of the numbers? was it mileage rates? price per day? how much they sold the vehicle to you for? etc?
IIRC you rented or leased the vehicle off them. You had to pay a large deposit/fee upfront.
You were utterly tied to them, couldn’t work the truck elsewhere.
The big no-no was they could summon the truck to work for them at any time…so if you were out of hours you’d have to have another driver available. It was all in a full-page advert in The Sun, effectively you were buying your job.
Then there’s always the danger that they would work their own fleet on the most profitable jobs, and you’d end up running round for the sweepings. I’m not saying that this is what they would do mind, just that there seemed little to stop them doing it that way.
That said, many years ago I knew a bloke who had two ‘Stobart’ trucks on his fleet. They were leased off ESL, and he employed drivers to drive them who had to wear ESL uniforms. As far as he was concerned, it was easy money, because more cash came in than he paid out each month, and he didn’t need to manage the trucks himself as the driqvers were controlled by Stobart, but paid by him.But I don’t think the profits were huge.
IfI were starting from cold to be an o/d (and thank the lord I’m not, sir) I’d by a used Renault Premium 6x2 tractor for cash (cheap, light, good on fuel if not flogged everywhere at max weight) and try to get short-haul work moving trailers about for other people (if you live near somewhere where there a lots of industrial estates it’s surprising how many people want trailers moving just short distances and are prepared to pay relatively big money for little jobs), or run night trunks with it moving newspapers or similar.
Never ceases to amaze me the rubbish people put on here when it comes to any thing stobart,I’m one of there least fans these days after what they did too a business,my mates and way they still continue to carry on,but that doesn’t alter the fact 99% of what’s put on here to do with stobart s is total garbage,but no surprise is it
Well you might want to work elsewhere if, for example the price of fuel went up but your contract partner was still offering the same rate it always did (let’s call it £x per mile) but Joe up the road was offering you £x x 1.5. You’d want to work for Joe and make a profit, but you’d have to work for your contract partner and make a loss, while he, in all probability, could win a rate increase from his customer (because of the fuel), and pocket it!