Ok so rob and others you are saying it’s not got anything to do with the sat nav because lorries and high trailers have been around long before the sat nav. Yeah good point. So you are also saying that bridge strikes were more or less frequent before sat navs?
With all the obver followed there is nothing wrong with high trailers.
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Cant agree, we dont have anything over 4m (with the odd exception) as with the right chassis (wheel diameter/ ride height /configuration ect) the same if not more can be carried. Its the UK transport industry not having the will to adapt. The double deckers Tescos/DPD and the like i saw in the UK this week look ridiculous and top heavy. Fuel consumption pulling these types of trailer must be pretty dire. A 4m restriction would drastically cut down on the inept hitting bridges and far less detours would have to be taken surely…
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you could always do what dublin did?
lets build a big huge tunnel to take all those nasty huge lorrys away from the city.
they intended to build it at 5.5 and end up with it at 4.65.
tunnels nearly finished,then,hang on a min,were drilling it too low,itl never take the big trailers…were bolloxed and heads will roll.
…sorted…lets just ban all high lorries from eire…job done.
or, some are a bit vague
for example,the marked height arch bridge at maybole.
16 ft 6 heading north,and 14 ft 6 heading south.same bridge,double white in the middle,and on a blind bent…recipe for disaster.the only safe way is if your following someone with a cb and he tells you just to through it flat lit after he goes under.
Rowley010:
Ok so rob and others you are saying it’s not got anything to do with the sat nav because lorries and high trailers have been around long before the sat nav. Yeah good point. So you are also saying that bridge strikes were more or less frequent before sat navs?
So this is where I say ‘’ There weren’t half as many bridge strikes pre sat navs’’ then you hit me with some official statistics which show there were about the same or many more. 
Truth is mate I don’t really know. I can’t remember them being as well publicised then, but that says nothing.
My own personal opinion based on what I have and have not heard, is that it’s the same scenario as trucks getting stuck down country lanes, and roads leading down to becks and fords in the countryside. It’s down to incompetent knob heads that have managed to obtain a Class1, who are incapable of doing the job without relying on a sat nav,… exactly the reason for many bridge strikes. 
You even get signs now that I have seen in remote parts of Devon and Cornwall saying along the lines of ‘‘Lorries, Do Not follow your sat nav down here’’ 
I mean ffs ! 
…that says it all.and much more than I can say about it.
I have to go down lanes built for bloody horse and carts every week to get to Devon and Cornwall farms, no doubt the same as many others do on this forum in other areas. I have come bloody close to getting stuck sometimes, but I have done everything possible to find out if the route is suitable before attempting to get anywhere near there.
I would not even think about relying on any sat nav to get me down, and the times I have nearly got stuck have been down to lying and exaggerating farmers wanting their stuff at any cost, and giving me dodgy info on the phone. 
So to get back to your original question, as I said…not sure mate.
Hi Rob. I’ve been scratching my head but can’t for the life of me remember the "enigmatic " gearbox . Which lorries had these fitted ? as I’m sure I must have used one at some point. 
Regards. John.
old 67:
Hi Rob. I’ve been scratching my head but can’t for the life of me remember the "enigmatic " gearbox . Which lorries had these fitted ? as I’m sure I must have used one at some point.
Regards. John.
I’m sure you have mate. …I’m sure you have.
Ok, enigmatic was a bit of an exaggeration to make a point.
Which was…Put a young lad just learning in a modern truck with an auto box and he will manage to get it a couple or so miles down the road from A to B, with very little problem.
Put the same lad in a truck with a Spicer box in it, or in an early Sedd Atk 400 where the Fuller was upside down (and afai remember made it back to front working away from your right to left) obviously needing to double de.clutch, and at same time get the revs just so, to change.
Through NO fault of his own (Just to stress that btw ) would be more than likely unable to drive it any distance at first.
So I’m sure he would then describe the gearbox as something like ‘‘enigmatic’’… that was my point.
Looking forward to next time you (once again) watch and analyise my next post bud…
AH!..I’m with you now Rob. It’s just that because I hadn’t heard of it, I asked and old mechanic friend of mine about it. 
He looked at me a bit funny and said the operating instructions for the box were in German but you could read them once you had cracked the code !! 
Regards. John.
Well that’s a bit of an enigma.
robroy:
Rowley010:
Ok so rob and others you are saying it’s not got anything to do with the sat nav because lorries and high trailers have been around long before the sat nav. Yeah good point. So you are also saying that bridge strikes were more or less frequent before sat navs?So this is where I say ‘’ There weren’t half as many bridge strikes pre sat navs’’ then you hit me with some official statistics which show there were about the same or many more.
Truth is mate I don’t really know. I can’t remember them being as well publicised then, but that says nothing.
My own personal opinion based on what I have and have not heard, is that it’s the same scenario as trucks getting stuck down country lanes, and roads leading down to becks and fords in the countryside. It’s down to incompetent knob heads that have managed to obtain a Class1, who are incapable of doing the job without relying on a sat nav,… exactly the reason for many bridge strikes.
You even get signs now that I have seen in remote parts of Devon and Cornwall saying along the lines of ‘‘Lorries, Do Not follow your sat nav down here’’
I mean ffs !I have to go down lanes built for bloody horse and carts every week to get to Devon and Cornwall farms, no doubt the same as many others do on this forum in other areas. I have come bloody close to getting stuck sometimes, but I have done everything possible to find out if the route is suitable before attempting to get anywhere near there.
I would not even think about relying on any sat nav to get me down, and the times I have nearly got stuck have been down to lying and exaggerating farmers wanting their stuff at any cost, and giving me dodgy info on the phone.
So to get back to your original question, as I said…not sure mate.
Haha it does make me laugh when you get a road where a lorry has been stuck so many times they’ve put a sign up.
I had a delivery to a building sight up a country lane with a 6’6" width restriction, no except for access plates. Also my trailer wouldn’t have got under the thick branches covering the road.
What do you think I did?
Sat nav says go so go? No! I stopped in the last possible place where I could still turn round and phoned the office and said I’m not taking my truck up this lane!
Rowley010:
robroy:
Rowley010:
Ok so rob and others you are saying it’s not got anything to do with the sat nav because lorries and high trailers have been around long before the sat nav. Yeah good point. So you are also saying that bridge strikes were more or less frequent before sat navs?So this is where I say ‘’ There weren’t half as many bridge strikes pre sat navs’’ then you hit me with some official statistics which show there were about the same or many more.
Truth is mate I don’t really know. I can’t remember them being as well publicised then, but that says nothing.
My own personal opinion based on what I have and have not heard, is that it’s the same scenario as trucks getting stuck down country lanes, and roads leading down to becks and fords in the countryside. It’s down to incompetent knob heads that have managed to obtain a Class1, who are incapable of doing the job without relying on a sat nav,… exactly the reason for many bridge strikes.
You even get signs now that I have seen in remote parts of Devon and Cornwall saying along the lines of ‘‘Lorries, Do Not follow your sat nav down here’’
I mean ffs !I have to go down lanes built for bloody horse and carts every week to get to Devon and Cornwall farms, no doubt the same as many others do on this forum in other areas. I have come bloody close to getting stuck sometimes, but I have done everything possible to find out if the route is suitable before attempting to get anywhere near there.
I would not even think about relying on any sat nav to get me down, and the times I have nearly got stuck have been down to lying and exaggerating farmers wanting their stuff at any cost, and giving me dodgy info on the phone.
So to get back to your original question, as I said…not sure mate.Haha it does make me laugh when you get a road where a lorry has been stuck so many times they’ve put a sign up.
I had a delivery to a building sight up a country lane with a 6’6" width restriction, no except for access plates. Also my trailer wouldn’t have got under the thick branches covering the road.
What do you think I did?
Sat nav says go so go? No! I stopped in the last possible place where I could still turn round and phoned the office and said I’m not taking my truck up this lane!
I think we should carry this on.
So you rang your office, and they got the customer to ring you on your mobile, and they said “we’ve had artics down here before”, but you insist they drive to you in a van, and when they arrive they take one look and say one of 2 things. 1) We’ve had bigger than that down there, drive, 2) oh, I didn’t realise you were THAT big.
You know what? Spot on.
And when they arrived it was the second scenario. Oh! Didn’t realise you meant that big
Should a HGV driver blithely following a Sat Nav of any persuasion just be prosecuted as a matter of course? You have effectively ceded control of the vehicle to a cheap bit of software. You are not in control.
Janos:
Should a HGV driver blithely following a Sat Nav of any persuasion just be prosecuted as a matter of course? You have effectively ceded control of the vehicle to a cheap bit of software. You are not in control.
Yep they should
Colin_scottish:
AndrewG:
4m max height in the UK and it wouldnt happen, no need for anything to be over that height…You’re correct some trailers in the uk are so high there useless.
A bit like some drivers eh Colin.
Let’s change all the trailers instead of getting rid of the dopey drivers!
yourhavingalarf:
AndrewG:
Cant agree, we dont have anything over 4m (with the odd exception) as with the right chassis (wheel diameter/ ride height /configuration ect) the same if not more can be carried. Its the UK transport industry not having the will to adapt. The double deckers Tescos/DPD and the like i saw in the UK this week look ridiculous and top heavy. Fuel consumption pulling these types of trailer must be pretty dire. A 4m restriction would drastically cut down on the inept hitting bridges and far less detours would have to be taken surely…It was the…
Spanish road industry that was still in the 50s in the 90s when I drove there.
If it wasn’t for Brussels money for road improvement schemes and decent tackle, Spain would still be better off using donkeys through mountain passes.
Even in the early 90’s Spain had much improved roads over the UK, along with France we now have some of the best roads in Europe.
As for the 4m height restriction, the rest of Europe seems to manage well enough, its the same old story with the UK dragging its heels and living in the dark ages…
robroy:
I could understand it if he only knew auto trucks, and got in the cab to find a 13 speed Fuller, or a crash Spicer, but they are all synchromesh now ffs …the same as his car.
I’d never driven a proper manual splitter box before I started where I am now. It’s a 12 speed 3 over 3. I’ll freely admit that on my first go I was crap and kept thinking, “what gear would my auto box be in now”
I soon ironed out the kinks and after a bit I was making progress nicely. I was kind of looking forward to it with a mixture of apprehension and anticipation. I wanted to see how I’d get on with it having only really driven automatics. Plus it looks good on the CV.
I think this one guy drove from one side of the yard to the other then gave up
AndrewG:
Even in the early 90’s Spain had much improved roads over the UK, along with France we now have some of the best roads in Europe.As for the 4m height restriction, the rest of Europe seems to manage well enough, its the same old story with the UK dragging its heels and living in the dark ages…
The last big project…
That was nearly finished, when I stopped driving there, was the bridging of the Carolinas. I agree, Spain is a really easy and quick country to navigate now but, it was for a long time until Brussels came along, stuck in the dark ages.
I don’t think the UK has any plans to stop using 16’ trailers in the near future (if ever). We both know that the bridge twotting problem we have here is down to the quality of muppet behind the wheel. A previous post here has shown that the 4m ruling in Europe is just as prone to being hit by morons.
old 67:
Hi Rob. I’ve been scratching my head but can’t for the life of me remember the "enigmatic " gearbox . Which lorries had these fitted ? as I’m sure I must have used one at some point.
Regards. John.
Lorries didn’t but DAF 44’s did
yourhavingalarf:
AndrewG:
Even in the early 90’s Spain had much improved roads over the UK, along with France we now have some of the best roads in Europe.As for the 4m height restriction, the rest of Europe seems to manage well enough, its the same old story with the UK dragging its heels and living in the dark ages…
The last big project…
That was nearly finished, when I stopped driving there, was the bridging of the Carolinas. I agree, Spain is a really easy and quick country to navigate now but, it was for a long time until Brussels came along, stuck in the dark ages.
I don’t think the UK has any plans to stop using 16’ trailers in the near future (if ever). We both know that the bridge twotting problem we have here is down to the quality of muppet behind the wheel. A previous post here has shown that the 4m ruling in Europe is just as prone to being hit by morons.
Yes, I noticed that Andrew has been quiet about that one… 
