Driving too slowly is dangerous

WhiteTruckMan:
A couple of things.

Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

Police busy with terrorism. I too was once busy with terrorism, having served in NI. Me and some of my former colleagues (yes, we do keep in touch) always have the fear that some little oik in a back office who wasnt even an ache in their dads balls when we were being bombed/shot at will decide to come after us for stuff we did for queen and country decades ago. Any front line police thinking they are protecting us now, better look over your shoulder, and keep doing it for the rest of your life. Because unless you have one of those little get out of jail free letters so handily dished out to some proper scum, you will never be safe from future authorities. Better hope there isnt a future Phil Shiner already starting to pick up a law book! And for what the current so called authorities are doing -of which the police are a small part of-persecuting pensioners, some with alzheimers, for what they did decades ago under conditions and stresses that some bobby can have no real concept of, well, mere words alone cannot adequately express the anger, frustration and contempt that I and my pals feel.

Police really do go after the low hanging fruit first. Anything with the prospect of a quick conviction will always be pursued at the expense of more difficult crimes. This is why burglary victims have to check second hand shops and ebay themselves. And go chasing after any cctv footage. So when someone finds their stuff they have the choice of going back to the police, only for police to act too slowly to recover property/arrest villains/turn over to clown prosecution services who decide prosecution is no in the public interest, or they can sort the matter out themselves, and run the very serious risk of being arrested themselves. I’ve never believed police have conviction targets. But can any police officer look me in the eye and tell me with a straight face that they are not regarded more favourably by their superiors if they have a higher number of convictions?

Find yourself under attack? Someone trying to break into your trailer in the middle of the night? Might as well call ghostbusters for all the good police will do. Dare to fight back and defend yourself and your property? Well thats you in the frame straight away. Low hanging fruit.

Of course, if you are white, male, christian and straight you are fair game. Live in a caravan, with a horse tied to the back? do what the [zb] you like, from setting up shop on school playing fields to fly tipping vast amounts. All police will do is have a pcso, maybe with a pc, walking the perimeter and ignoring the illegality going on right in front of them. But funnily enough were I to take next years holiday in a caravan and park in a local park then police would be all over me like a cheap suit. Again, low hanging fruit.

And if you are a member of a minority, you are all but untouchable. Just ask the children of Rotherham or Rochdale how much they trust the police. Or the people of Hillsborough.

I could go on a lot more. In fact I looked back at what I had written, and deleted a lot. The point is, ordinary decent people are sick to death with the trendy policing we have to put up with by graduate entry police who couldn’t pour pizz out of a bucket even if the instructions were on the bottom. The public are NOT treated fairly and evenly. Justice does NOT work for all, only those who can afford the most expensive lawyers. Just ask anyone who has ever paid for Mr Loophole the lawyer who specialises in getting people off speeding tickets.

I’m not going to say things were better in the ‘old days’. They werent. It was merely a different flavour of brown stuff. Policing was always done in part by fear. Fear of getting caught. Fear of being punished. But now, thanks to a liberal agenda driven criminal justice system those fears have largely gone away in the criminal classes. The only fear remaining is in the minds of the ordinary people. Fear of the criminals on one side, and the authorities on the other. Because both will prey on ordinary people going about their daily life with impunity.

(Rant meter dialled down a bit.)

Good post dude. I too did my time in NI as part of “Maggies Army” and I too await the inevitable knock at the door so your post resonates with me.

As an aside, how far OT has this thread gone? :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

RoadsRat:
Here are some actual stats for policing as a whole.

ethnicity-facts-figures.ser … ice/latest

Overall in 2017/18, 78% of people aged 16 years and over in England and Wales said they had confidence in their local police – up from 76% in 2013/14.

The percentage from all ethnicities has broadly remained the same since 2013, between 70-80%.

So is that your answer? Three quarters of the population are happy with us so when the remaining quarter say “hang on a minute, we’re not happy” you can stick your fingers in your ears and stop listening?

I work for a private company, they have kpi and kpt and all the other rubbish that tells my gaffers if I’m doing a good job. If I was to get satisfaction ratings of 75ish% then serious questions would be asked of my performance.

robroy:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. .

:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Will you now? :unamused:
Tell you what mate, stick to explaining your own ‘‘big problems’’ with certain groups, and do not attempt to be as arrogant as to explain things for other people…ESPECIALLY ME !
Thanks.

Correct me if I am wrong but this is a forum for giving opinions and having worked with the police I feel I maybe just know a little bit more about how they work than people who have not.
Sorry if I have offended you but if you think I am being arrogant or whatever else simply do not read my posts.

waddy640:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. It’s exactly the same as drivers on here complaining about other drivers not knowing about lorries and how they should have to go in a lorry to learn the basics to eradicate lorry driver problems.(supposedly)
If you don’t do the job you only see it from the outside and do not have the knowledge to critisise where the faults are. Yes we know the roads need more police around to catch the idiots but the world has changed since the 60’s and 70’s and even the 80’s. Priorities with the police have changed and rightly so and as has been said the police are severely short staffed.
I have worked with traffic police in my early years and most are great guys who go through the most stringent training that most on here would probably really struggle with so before knocking them at every opportunity try to realise there is a lot more to it that you realise.

I spent some years working for a police force, my job was to recover defective and accident damaged police vehicles. I was never short of work and was virtually guaranteed overtime every working day.

Really, well unless you have some proof of that I do not believe you. The area I worked in had a very low accident rate especially for the type of work being done. I can also tell your average car and commercial drivers have an appalling rate of accidents compared to police drivers and most of them come down to driver error.

WhiteTruckMan:
Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

It’s to cover the cost of the admin involved in processing the paperwork.

Doesn’t apply to the vast majority of fines issued.

Nite Owl:

RoadsRat:
Here are some actual stats for policing as a whole.

ethnicity-facts-figures.ser … ice/latest

Overall in 2017/18, 78% of people aged 16 years and over in England and Wales said they had confidence in their local police – up from 76% in 2013/14.

The percentage from all ethnicities has broadly remained the same since 2013, between 70-80%.

So is that your answer? Three quarters of the population are happy with us so when the remaining quarter say “hang on a minute, we’re not happy” you can stick your fingers in your ears and stop listening?

I work for a private company, they have kpi and kpt and all the other rubbish that tells my gaffers if I’m doing a good job. If I was to get satisfaction ratings of 75ish% then serious questions would be asked of my performance.

Three quarters of the population is a lot higher than what the majority on here were insinuating it was. It’s never going to be 100% is it?

Your KPI figures don’t judge you on people’s opinion of how good a job you’re doing.

RoadsRat:

WhiteTruckMan:
Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

It’s to cover the cost of the admin involved in processing the paperwork.

Doesn’t apply to the vast majority of fines issued.

My point is that police ARE trousering money directly from the public. And are you seriously trying to say that 200 Million pounds went purely on admin?

You don’t by any chance work for local government or in the civil service do you?

WhiteTruckMan:

RoadsRat:

WhiteTruckMan:
Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

It’s to cover the cost of the admin involved in processing the paperwork.

Doesn’t apply to the vast majority of fines issued.

My point is that police ARE trousering money directly from the public. And are you seriously trying to say that 200 Million pounds went purely on admin?

You don’t by any chance work for local government or in the civil service do you?

Something you will learn whilst using this forum is that many of the contributors are experts in everything and will contradict anything you say.

You may well be called a liar and other similar insults but don’t take it to heart because that is the only language they know.

RoadsRat:

Nite Owl:

RoadsRat:
Here are some actual stats for policing as a whole.

ethnicity-facts-figures.ser … ice/latest

Overall in 2017/18, 78% of people aged 16 years and over in England and Wales said they had confidence in their local police – up from 76% in 2013/14.

The percentage from all ethnicities has broadly remained the same since 2013, between 70-80%.

So is that your answer? Three quarters of the population are happy with us so when the remaining quarter say “hang on a minute, we’re not happy” you can stick your fingers in your ears and stop listening?

I work for a private company, they have kpi and kpt and all the other rubbish that tells my gaffers if I’m doing a good job. If I was to get satisfaction ratings of 75ish% then serious questions would be asked of my performance.

Three quarters of the population is a lot higher than what the majority on here were insinuating it was. It’s never going to be 100% is it?

Your KPI figures don’t judge you on people’s opinion of how good a job you’re doing.

KPI figures are quantifiable. Surveys of opinions can never be anything other than qualitative. And I think that their methodology is fundamentally flawed anyway. You might as well put your faith in astrology.

polls can be adapted to read whatever you want them to read.
why only recently i saw a poll that stated that 1 out of 4 traffic cops were just as complete ■■■■■■■■ as the other 3… :open_mouth:

jakethesnake:

robroy:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. .

:open_mouth: :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Will you now? :unamused:
Tell you what mate, stick to explaining your own ‘‘big problems’’ with certain groups, and do not attempt to be as arrogant as to explain things for other people…ESPECIALLY ME !
Thanks.

Correct me if I am wrong but this is a forum for giving opinions and having worked with the police I feel I maybe just know a little bit more about how they work than people who have not.
Sorry if I have offended you but if you think I am being arrogant or whatever else simply do not read my posts.

Correct,… it is a forum for giving opinions, but seeing as I was the one who opened up the discussion on this particular thread, about how good or bad the Police are at their jobs, (…ie MY opinion) it would be fair to assume that your ‘‘explanation’’ was an attempt to explain it. :open_mouth:

My point was I am well capable of explaining my own reasons for my own opinions, and I certainly do not need you to attempt to do it for me. :bulb:

jakethesnake:

waddy640:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. It’s exactly the same as drivers on here complaining about other drivers not knowing about lorries and how they should have to go in a lorry to learn the basics to eradicate lorry driver problems.(supposedly)
If you don’t do the job you only see it from the outside and do not have the knowledge to critisise where the faults are. Yes we know the roads need more police around to catch the idiots but the world has changed since the 60’s and 70’s and even the 80’s. Priorities with the police have changed and rightly so and as has been said the police are severely short staffed.
I have worked with traffic police in my early years and most are great guys who go through the most stringent training that most on here would probably really struggle with so before knocking them at every opportunity try to realise there is a lot more to it that you realise.

I spent some years working for a police force, my job was to recover defective and accident damaged police vehicles. I was never short of work and was virtually guaranteed overtime every working day.

Really, well unless you have some proof of that I do not believe you. The area I worked in had a very low accident rate especially for the type of work being done. I can also tell your average car and commercial drivers have an appalling rate of accidents compared to police drivers and most of them come down to driver error.

If you don’t believe what I say why bother to reply. I deal in facts not fantasy. Perhaps your area, wherever it was, had better training, less traffic or any number of reasons why the accident rate was lower.

waddy640:

jakethesnake:

waddy640:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. It’s exactly the same as drivers on here complaining about other drivers not knowing about lorries and how they should have to go in a lorry to learn the basics to eradicate lorry driver problems.(supposedly)
If you don’t do the job you only see it from the outside and do not have the knowledge to critisise where the faults are. Yes we know the roads need more police around to catch the idiots but the world has changed since the 60’s and 70’s and even the 80’s. Priorities with the police have changed and rightly so and as has been said the police are severely short staffed.
I have worked with traffic police in my early years and most are great guys who go through the most stringent training that most on here would probably really struggle with so before knocking them at every opportunity try to realise there is a lot more to it that you realise.

I spent some years working for a police force, my job was to recover defective and accident damaged police vehicles. I was never short of work and was virtually guaranteed overtime every working day.

Really, well unless you have some proof of that I do not believe you. The area I worked in had a very low accident rate especially for the type of work being done. I can also tell your average car and commercial drivers have an appalling rate of accidents compared to police drivers and most of them come down to driver error.

If you don’t believe what I say why bother to reply. I deal in facts not fantasy. Perhaps your area, wherever it was, had better training, less traffic or any number of reasons why the accident rate was lower.

I bothered to reply because I think you are making that up because you like some others on here never have anything good to say about the police who mostly do a great job.
Just to put you right, police training is standard all over the country because they have high standards and if they are not good enough they do not pass.Can you tell me what area you are talking about please?

I spent some years working for a police force, my job was to recover defective and accident damaged police vehicles. I was never short of work and was virtually guaranteed overtime every working day.
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Really, well unless you have some proof of that I do not believe you. The area I worked in had a very low accident rate especially for the type of work being done. I can also tell your average car and commercial drivers have an appalling rate of accidents compared to police drivers and most of them come down to driver error.
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If you don’t believe what I say why bother to reply. I deal in facts not fantasy. Perhaps your area, wherever it was, had better training, less traffic or any number of reasons why the accident rate was lower.
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I bothered to reply because I think you are making that up because you like some others on here never have anything good to say about the police who mostly do a great job.
Just to put you right, police training is standard all over the country because they have high standards and if they are not good enough they do not pass.Can you tell me what area you are talking about please?
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There are words for people like you but I am too polite to use them on a public forum.

jakethesnake:

waddy640:

jakethesnake:
I will try to explain why some seem to have a big problem with the police on here. It’s exactly the same as drivers on here complaining about other drivers not knowing about lorries and how they should have to go in a lorry to learn the basics to eradicate lorry driver problems.(supposedly)
If you don’t do the job you only see it from the outside and do not have the knowledge to critisise where the faults are. Yes we know the roads need more police around to catch the idiots but the world has changed since the 60’s and 70’s and even the 80’s. Priorities with the police have changed and rightly so and as has been said the police are severely short staffed.
I have worked with traffic police in my early years and most are great guys who go through the most stringent training that most on here would probably really struggle with so before knocking them at every opportunity try to realise there is a lot more to it that you realise.

I spent some years working for a police force, my job was to recover defective and accident damaged police vehicles. I was never short of work and was virtually guaranteed overtime every working day.

Really, well unless you have some proof of that I do not believe you. The area I worked in had a very low accident rate especially for the type of work being done. I can also tell your average car and commercial drivers have an appalling rate of accidents compared to police drivers and most of them come down to driver error.

If you want proof just trawl through YouTube. There videos of tactical contacts from just about every force in the country. Each one resulting in damage to police vehicles.

WhiteTruckMan:

RoadsRat:

WhiteTruckMan:
Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

It’s to cover the cost of the admin involved in processing the paperwork.

Doesn’t apply to the vast majority of fines issued.

My point is that police ARE trousering money directly from the public. And are you seriously trying to say that 200 Million pounds went purely on admin?

You don’t by any chance work for local government or in the civil service do you?

They aren’t “trousering” it. It’s used to cover costs. You give the impression it’s being spent on something other than policing. No police officer is spending it on personal things.

It’s £200M spread across 43 police forces, if the figures are to be believed.

the maoster:
As an aside, how far OT has this thread gone? :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I know mate. :unamused:

I’m just trying to remember who it was that guided it off course a bit. :neutral_face: :blush: :smiley:

RoadsRat:

WhiteTruckMan:

RoadsRat:

WhiteTruckMan:
Raising money from fines. Police have a direct interest in this. Speeding fines do indeed go direct to central government. But police have a mechanism to circumvent this, and siphon funds directly into their own pockets. It’s called the speed awareness course.

Ministers slam brakes on costly speed awareness courses

£35 a pop? Potentially £200mil going directly into police coffers? Can anyone define conflict of interest for me?

It’s to cover the cost of the admin involved in processing the paperwork.

Doesn’t apply to the vast majority of fines issued.

My point is that police ARE trousering money directly from the public. And are you seriously trying to say that 200 Million pounds went purely on admin?

You don’t by any chance work for local government or in the civil service do you?

They aren’t “trousering” it. It’s used to cover costs. You give the impression it’s being spent on something other than policing. No police officer is spending it on personal things.

It’s £200M spread across 43 police forces, if the figures are to be believed.

Maybe worth adding that central Gov funding for the police is actually falling. The shortfall has to come from somewhere…

assets.publishing.service.gov.u … sb1318.pdf

There are words for people like you but I am too polite to use them on a public forum.

Really, well don’t be shy. I can take it but you would get more respect if you backed up your comments instead of dishing out nothing but what’s in your head. :unamused: