Hi y’all.
Is there anything in black and white anywhere that states you can go 20 minutes over your maximum daily driving time on the odd occasion in order to get back to base if you have been held up during your shift by a traffic accident? (and obviously do a print out and log the reason on the rear of that)
I keep hearing you can, but would very much like to see it in writing, thanks in advance.
In a word, no.
Although we all do anyway. 
No the regs stipulate to the nearest place to safely Park which means NEAREST that don’t mean base service area rdc just nearest parking place so it could be side of a road without parking restrictions or lay by
If drivers are not planned for 15 hours at the outset - being delayed by an hour or so “won’t put a driver over” will they?
Max driving shift “planned” should be 12 hours. That’s 3 hours room for “delays” if need be. 
Yes, we all “go over 12 hours” because “slippage” is a common thing in this line of work - where any delays push the shift time over 12 hours.
BUT I would not agree with the idea that “we all go over 15 hours”. It’s illegal, and you will get busted for it.
Your yard will also have it’s Operator’s licence revoked or suspended - as Stobarts have done found to their cost recently as depicted in this ■■■■■■■ article 
Winseer:
BUT I would not agree with the idea that “we all go over 15 hours”. It’s illegal, and you will get busted for it.
I doubt very much whether DVSA would expect a driver to be weekended in a lay-by 20 minutes away from base if he had been delayed by a RTA on his last available shift of the week.
Harry Monk:
Winseer:
BUT I would not agree with the idea that “we all go over 15 hours”. It’s illegal, and you will get busted for it.I doubt very much whether DVSA would expect a driver to be weekended in a lay-by 20 minutes away from base if he had been delayed by a RTA on his last available shift of the week.
+1 just write secure parking required.
There’s no “20 minute” limit, just whatever you need to return to safe, secure parking. You wouldn’t have to stop by the road/layby if you genuinely believe the safety of the load or the public may be compromised.
But it really should be a very rare thing to do, and as someone else has said, if it happens a lot - either to a single individual, or if it seems to be a company “policy”, then they can be legal problems.
espresso:
Hi y’all.Is there anything in black and white anywhere that states you can go 20 minutes over your maximum daily driving time on the odd occasion in order to get back to base if you have been held up during your shift by a traffic accident? (and obviously do a print out and log the reason on the rear of that)
I keep hearing you can, but would very much like to see it in writing, thanks in advance.
No. Its to be used in an emergency to get to the nearest safe parking, thats the first you come to, not one 20 miles away. Its not to be used to complete your run and get back to base because you got held up.
Up to 30 mins, OK if reasonable explanation available, up to an hour then a more convincing waffle is required, over an hour and a regular occurrence best to lube up.
Time limits vary in direct relation to how much of a ■■■■ you are to the VOSA officer.
I find being very submissive works well in all situations.
Especially as the wife works for the DVSA and wears her uniform whilst giving me a ■■■■ good ■■■■■■■.
Dipper_Dave is about right.
Read the Enforcement Sanctions Policy page 103 or 105 for that particular offence and it will tell you how they view it. There is mention of “unless reasonable justification is given - I.e. Finish of duty and very close to base”
What about the 15 minutes over your time to find a fish shop rule■■? But I’ve gone well over that when I’ve been waiting for a “special” to be cooked 
I just wrote it on the back of my tacho “delay in fish shop”
monday i got held up on m5 where lorry took out roadworks barrier put me at 4h57 driving time pulled into frankley and done 2 tcho printouits wrote explanation on printouts/time sheet to cover my arse occasionally happens i had my journey planned to get to frankley with 10min to spare but traffic was qeuieng from j6-j4a as long as there is a record of why youve gone over shouldnt be a problem but dont let it happen too often
I had it happen today. I had a choice, bend my card 1 of 2 ways, or have an “unplanned night out” see previous thread
Basically I was sat there watching an ambulance deal with a 3 car RTC for 30 minutes on a B road with nowhere to turn around.
I could either stop, and take my required 30 minute break, but this would not leave me enough time to get back in 15 hours. Or drive 4:36 and get back in time to have a reduced daily rest.
Or sleep in the cab, ruining my 4 day weekend for the sake of 6 minutes driving time…
It was an easy choice 
Hello 4 day weekend, and I reckon any DVSA bod would accept that explanation without hesitation IF there was nothing else wrong with the card or the truck. But if they are playing Connect Four with your infringements expect trouble sweetie…
nick2008:
No the regs stipulate to the nearest place to safely Park which means NEAREST that don’t mean base service area rdc just nearest parking place so it could be side of a road without parking restrictions or lay by
So HARD SHOULDER then , when you encounter the 2-3HR or longer delays at Euro tunnel or at Dover when the weather is a tad active Adverse with leaves on the line sympathy excuses. or it be those poor migrant refugees( pro migration eu speak) at Calais suddenly start kicking off, also i wonder what the DVSA know about finding a safe,suitable, legal or secure place to park for 9+ hrs in the rest of the EU?? answers on a postcard please
tommy t:
nick2008:
No the regs stipulate to the nearest place to safely Park which means NEAREST that don’t mean base service area rdc just nearest parking place so it could be side of a road without parking restrictions or lay bySo HARD SHOULDER then , when you encounter the 2-3HR or longer delays at Euro tunnel or at Dover when the weather is a tad active Adverse with leaves on the line sympathy excuses. or it be those poor migrant refugees( pro migration eu speak) at Calais suddenly start kicking off, also i wonder what the DVSA know about finding a safe,suitable, legal or secure place to park for 9+ hrs in the rest of the EU?? answers on a postcard please
Stupid ■■■■ you are
blue estate:
tommy t:
nick2008:
No the regs stipulate to the nearest place to safely Park which means NEAREST that don’t mean base service area rdc just nearest parking place so it could be side of a road without parking restrictions or lay bySo HARD SHOULDER then , when you encounter the 2-3HR or longer delays at Euro tunnel or at Dover when the weather is a tad active Adverse with leaves on the line sympathy excuses. or it be those poor migrant refugees( pro migration eu speak) at Calais suddenly start kicking off, also i wonder what the DVSA know about finding a safe,suitable, legal or secure place to park for 9+ hrs in the rest of the EU?? answers on a postcard please
Stupid [zb] you are
I think he was being ironic mate tbh 
He also made some valid points so why and how is he a ‘’ Stupid ■■■■’’ ■■
robroy:
blue estate:
tommy t:
nick2008:
No the regs stipulate to the nearest place to safely Park which means NEAREST that don’t mean base service area rdc just nearest parking place so it could be side of a road without parking restrictions or lay bySo HARD SHOULDER then , when you encounter the 2-3HR or longer delays at Euro tunnel or at Dover when the weather is a tad active Adverse with leaves on the line sympathy excuses. or it be those poor migrant refugees( pro migration eu speak) at Calais suddenly start kicking off, also i wonder what the DVSA know about finding a safe,suitable, legal or secure place to park for 9+ hrs in the rest of the EU?? answers on a postcard please
Stupid [zb] you are
He also made some valid points so why and how is he a ‘’ Stupid [zb]‘’ ■■
Because it’s illegal to park on the HS.
Winseer:
If drivers are not planned for 15 hours at the outset - being delayed by an hour or so “won’t put a driver over” will they?Max driving shift “planned” should be 12 hours. That’s 3 hours room for “delays” if need be.
Yes, we all “go over 12 hours” because “slippage” is a common thing in this line of work - where any delays push the shift time over 12 hours.
BUT I would not agree with the idea that “we all go over 15 hours”. It’s illegal, and you will get busted for it.
Your yard will also have it’s Operator’s licence revoked or suspended - as Stobarts have done found to their cost recently as depicted in this ■■■■■■■ article
W- He is not on about DUTY time he is on about DRIVE time
A went over my 15 hrs by 2 hours a month ago accident on the A82 8 mile south of fort william.I said to the traffic guy standing there he said take a print out i will sign it once you park up.I will give him his due he did and also his mate gave him the 2 i wanted signed and heard no more.
nick2008:
Because it’s illegal to park on the HS.
Believe it or not mate I am fully aware of that. 
If it’s me that is being thick, 
and picked him up wrong then I apologise…, but the way I read his post, (rightly or wrongly ) was that it was ok by law to park on the hard shoulder when it suits ‘them’ but a carnal sin otherwise.