Leonard Hatred:
Yeah but the crux of this thread is that I’m trying to avoid exceeding 15 hours working time.
You’ve narrowly avoided it by about 10 hours. 
Coffeeholic:
scaniav8power:
wheelnut is spot on. you will start your daily rest once you are at the docks. Once there you will put it on rest. If you have a digital card put it on ferry mode just BEFORE moving onto the ferry.And then switch the mode back to rest once on board. You must also have 11 hours rest plus the one or two interruptions, not 11 hours including them.
Wheel Nut’s take on the situation is spot on.
you must have 11hrs off dunt say owt about adding the interuptious on to your rest
this was a thread a couple off weeks ago
Daf Man 480:
Coffeeholic:
scaniav8power:
wheelnut is spot on. you will start your daily rest once you are at the docks. Once there you will put it on rest. If you have a digital card put it on ferry mode just BEFORE moving onto the ferry.And then switch the mode back to rest once on board. You must also have 11 hours rest plus the one or two interruptions, not 11 hours including them.
Wheel Nut’s take on the situation is spot on.
you must have 11hrs off dunt say owt about adding the interuptious on to your rest
You’ve just confirmed it with that statement, you do have to allow extra time for the interruptions other wise you don’t get 11 hours rest. 
If you park up in the docks at 19:00 and start your rest then later board the ferry, go back on rest and spend 6 hours on board before disembarking and going back on rest then resume work at 06:00 you won’t have had the required 11 hours of rest, you will have had 10 and a bit even though there is 11 hours between finishing work and resuming. Therefore you have to add the time for the interruptions onto the period between starting your rest period and ending it.
This is what i done this week , when crossing from Fishguard to Rosslare, Arrived at dock, got in lane, filled in card for the day put another card in to record the Break and movement on and off the Ship,When off of Ship completed break and put another card in to start new daily duty, and wrote on back of card ,disc to record ferry crossing and daiky rest, If i had left my original card in it would have ran over my previous day’s start time
I know im thick but what is ferry mode,because on my tacho i have only 4settings,theres not one for ferry mode
Got stopped by vosa on friday at the check point on the A2, he went through my cards, all ok, which included the ferry crossings i had mentioned in my previous post, I also asked the vosa man if it was ok to have this sort of break on Dover- Calais, i thought this was not possible as no bunk or couchette, He said no problem
alf apsey:
I know im thick but what is ferry mode,because on my tacho i have only 4settings,theres not one for ferry mode
If it is an analogue then you need to make a manual entry on the back of the card, if it is a digital the ferry mode is in the menu so you may need to scroll around a bit, what make is the head?
by Barcelona Karl. Got stopped by vosa on friday at the check point on the A2, he went through my cards, all ok, which included the ferry crossings i had mentioned in my previous post, I also asked the vosa man if it was ok to have this sort of break on Dover- Calais, i thought this was not possible as no bunk or couchette, He said no problem
Just because a VOSA man doesnt know the rules, doesnt make it correct, the same question in France or Belgium would probably see you at least €90 worse off.
You can have a break on the Dover - Calais crossing, but you cannot have a rest.
Lets say you have just arrived at Calais at 19.00 your time is up in 30minutes with driving to spare , so you book off on ferry mode and drive onto the train, 4 minutes, 51 minutes on the train, 5 minutes to the M20, where are you going to park? on the hard shoulder
Sea France and Norfolk lines have couchettes on them I.e reclining seats. So you can you can use them as part of a split daily rest.
daleyboy:
Sea France and Norfolk lines have couchettes on them I.e reclining seats. So you can you can use them as part of a split daily rest.
561/2006 Guidance Note 6
Issue: Recording of time spent on board of a ferry or train where the driver has access to a
bunk or couchette.
Article: 9 (1) of Regulation (EC) No 561/2006
Approach to be followed: Generally during a rest, a driver shall be able, according to Article
4(f), to dispose freely of his/her time. However, a driver is entitled to take his/her break or
rest, daily or weekly, when he/she is travelling by ferry or train, provided that he/she has
access to a bunk or couchette. This stems from the wording of Article 9(2) which stipulates
that any time spent travelling “shall not be counted as a rest or break unless the driver is on
ferry or a train and has access to a bunk or couchette”.
Furthermore, in line with Article 9(1) a regular daily rest period of at least 11 hours taken
on a ferry or a train (if a driver has access to a bunk or a couchette) may be interrupted twice
as a maximum, by other activities (such as embarking or disembarking from the ferry boat or
train). The total time of these two interruptions may not exceed 1 hour. This time must not, in
any case, result in any reduction of a regular daily rest period.
In case of a regular daily rest taken in two periods, the first of which must be of at least 3
hours and the second of at least 9 hours (as stipulated in Article 4(g)), the number of
interruptions (maximum two) concerns the whole period of daily rest and not each part of a
regular daily rest taken in two periods.
The derogation under Article 9(1) does not apply to a weekly rest period, whether reduced or
regular.
I think this probably needs a legal definition from a test case but a reclining seat in my experience is neither somewhere to sleep or to rest, especially on a ferry when you are being surrounded by school kids running around, people talking and generally a film been shown.
couchette
n
(Transport / Railways) a bed in a railway carriage, esp one converted from seats
[from French, diminutive of couche bed]cou·chette
n.
- A compartment on a European passenger train equipped with four to six berths for sleeping.
- A sleeping berth in one of these compartments.
[French, diminutive of couche, bed, from Old French; see couch.]Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner's English Dictionary
couchette (couchettes) A couchette is a bed on a train or a boat which is either folded against the wall or used as an ordinary seat during the day. (mainly BRIT) N-COUNT couchette
To play devils advocate; what you are saying is that you can clearly have a night out in a day cab lorry or that a coach driver can sleep whilst his co-driver is at the wheel because the vehicle has a reclining seat.
Any lawyers on here?
daleyboy:
Sea France and Norfolk lines have couchettes on them I.e reclining seats. So you can you can use them as part of a split daily rest.
A reclining seat is not a couchette. A couchette is the type of bunk found on sleeper trains, often a seat during the day and is converted to a bunk at night.
Coffeeholic:
daleyboy:
Sea France and Norfolk lines have couchettes on them I.e reclining seats. So you can you can use them as part of a split daily rest.A reclining seat is not a couchette. A couchette is the type of bunk found on sleeper trains, often a seat during the day and is converted to a bunk at night.
Fair enough to your post and wheel nuts post. I don’t split on these crossings. But I have spoken to vosa twice about this and they seem to think that as long as the seats recline then that’s fine.
I have taken names just in case
Wheel Nut:
alf apsey:
I know im thick but what is ferry mode,because on my tacho i have only 4settings,theres not one for ferry modeIf it is an analogue then you need to make a manual entry on the back of the card, if it is a digital the ferry mode is in the menu so you may need to scroll around a bit, what make is the head?
by Barcelona Karl. Got stopped by vosa on friday at the check point on the A2, he went through my cards, all ok, which included the ferry crossings i had mentioned in my previous post, I also asked the vosa man if it was ok to have this sort of break on Dover- Calais, i thought this was not possible as no bunk or couchette, He said no problem
Just because a VOSA man doesnt know the rules, doesnt make it correct, the same question in France or Belgium would probably see you at least €90 worse off.
You can have a break on the Dover - Calais crossing, but you cannot have a rest.
if you leave the disc in and do a manual entry on the back and go over 15hrs that interferes with the WTD
you must put a card in to record the two movements
Lets say you have just arrived at Calais at 19.00 your time is up in 30minutes with driving to spare , so you book off on ferry mode and drive onto the train, 4 minutes, 51 minutes on the train, 5 minutes to the M20, where are you going to park? on the hard shoulder
I was stopped by the French cops at Savegne Piage. They did the full paperwork check, downloaded the digi head and my card. The “offence” I commited was to have only 9hrs break with my ferry crossing(Dover-Calais). Jus like what has been said earlier, I put it on rest when I joined the lanes, changed to ferry mode to board, put it back to rest for the crossing,changed it back to ferry mode for disembarcation, parked up and had a rest period which brought me to 9hrs. The cop took great pleasure in pointing out my “only” infringement on my card, his wee computer showed me all my movements for the crossing. He then showed me the next rest period of 9 hours at Savegne services (for some reason). He explained to me and a very attractive lady cop how I must have 11 hrs plus the movement time.I pleaded total ignorance and thanked him for showing me error of my ways, being a Scotsman this was me eating big dollops of humble pie. He threatened a 150 euro fine but as I was so appreciative of his superior knowledge I was given a green slip Warning. Flattery sometimes works. But I think he was also trying to impress the ladies.
josie
josier:
I was stopped by the French cops at Savegne Piage. They did the full paperwork check, downloaded the digi head and my card. The “offence” I commited was to have only 9hrs break with my ferry crossing(Dover-Calais). Jus like what has been said earlier, I put it on rest when I joined the lanes, changed to ferry mode to board, put it back to rest for the crossing,changed it back to ferry mode for disembarcation, parked up and had a rest period which brought me to 9hrs. The cop took great pleasure in pointing out my “only” infringement on my card, his wee computer showed me all my movements for the crossing. He then showed me the next rest period of 9 hours at Savegne services (for some reason). He explained to me and a very attractive lady cop how I must have 11 hrs plus the movement time.I pleaded total ignorance and thanked him for showing me error of my ways, being a Scotsman this was me eating big dollops of humble pie. He threatened a 150 euro fine but as I was so appreciative of his superior knowledge I was given a green slip Warning. Flattery sometimes works. But I think he was also trying to impress the ladies.
josie
Even with the old regulations it was still an 11 hour break if you interrupted it, the difference now is that you are allowed 2 movements. I think you were quite lucky that day.
Old Regulations 3820/85
Journeys involving ferry or train transport
Where a driver accompanies a vehicle that is being transported by ferry or train, the rest requirements
are more flexible.
A daily rest period may be interrupted no more than once, but the total interruption should be as short
as possible and must not exceed 1 hour in total.
Where the rest period is interrupted in this way:
- the total ■■■■■■■■■■ rest period must be extended by 2 hours;
- one part of the rest period must be taken on land, either before or after the journey (the other part
can be taken on the ferry/train); and- a bunk or couchette must be available during both parts of the rest period.
Time spent on the ferry or train that is not treated as daily rest can be treated as break time.