boss has been asking about a specific job and wether we can fit it in to my driving time
it entails driving rochdale to reading with twenty empty drums then waiting whilst sixteen of the drums are filled then returning to rochdale last time this run was done i had overnighted in a hotel close by after another job run into reading first thing then had taken the company three hours to fill & load the drums . it then took six hours forty mins to drive back to rochdale including a fortyfive at sandbach . as can be seen this is going to be very tight hours wise . could i split my rest at reading whilst the drums are sorted if so how do i go about this .p s its a day cab 7.5t
No matter how you work it the job has to be fitted into a 15 hour shift time anyway. If you have 3 hours break in this time I believe that access to sleeping facilities are required and being in a day cab vehicle may not allow this to be counted as daily split rest… Sure theres potential pages of different interpretations on this though.
You cannot extend the shift to 18 hours (3 on break) as you need 9 off before the end of the 24 hour period from the start of your shift.
What I would say is.
OK gov lets go for it but it would be best if I was given a float (say £50) so I can stay somewhere overnight, oh and also £25 night out money on top for meals, expenses etc.
Now providing your boss can work out if the job is still profitable with this eventuality jobs a good un.
When sat on your bum for 3 hours this is the perfect time to calculate your chances of geting back and where to stop overnight, give yourself 2 or 3 options to aim for as well as going for glory and getting back to base within 15 hours shift length and 10 hours driving.
Latique:
boss has been asking about a specific job and wether we can fit it in to my driving time
it entails driving rochdale to reading with twenty empty drums then waiting whilst sixteen of the drums are filled then returning to rochdale last time this run was done i had overnighted in a hotel close by after another job run into reading first thing then had taken the company three hours to fill & load the drums . it then took six hours forty mins to drive back to rochdale including a fortyfive at sandbach . as can be seen this is going to be very tight hours wise . could i split my rest at reading whilst the drums are sorted if so how do i go about this .p s its a day cab 7.5t
6 hours 40 minutes to drive from Reading to Rochdale if the vehicle is that slow you won’t be able to do the run there and back without a night out, or is the 6 hours 40 minutes a typo, that seems a long time for that run, to be honest I would have thought about 4½ hours each way without hold-ups.
Anyway, if you can get there and back in your 9/10 hours daily driving period you can put your tachograph on rest for 3 hours while you’re waiting for the load then run back.
The rules for a split daily rest are that you must have at-least 3 consecutive hours rest during the shift then have another 9 hours rest after the shift, the 9 hours rest must be completed within 24 hours from the start of the shift, so you have a maximum of 15 hours from the start of the shift to the end of the shift, this does not count as a reduced daily rest period so you needn’t worry about having one available.
Latique:
boss has been asking about a specific job and wether we can fit it in to my driving time
it entails driving rochdale to reading with twenty empty drums then waiting whilst sixteen of the drums are filled then returning to rochdale last time this run was done i had overnighted in a hotel close by after another job run into reading first thing then had taken the company three hours to fill & load the drums . it then took six hours forty mins to drive back to rochdale including a fortyfive at sandbach . as can be seen this is going to be very tight hours wise . could i split my rest at reading whilst the drums are sorted if so how do i go about this .p s its a day cab 7.5t
6 hours 40 minutes to drive from Reading to Rochdale if the vehicle is that slow you won’t be able to do the run there and back without a night out, or is the 6 hours 40 minutes a typo, that seems a long time for that run, to be honest I would have thought about 4½ hours each way without hold-ups.
Anyway, if you can get there and back in your 9/10 hours daily driving period you can put your tachograph on rest for 3 hours while you’re waiting for the load then run back.
The rules for a split daily rest are that you must have at-least 3 consecutive hours rest during the shift then have another 9 hours rest after the shift, the 9 hours rest must be completed within 24 hours from the start of the shift, so you have a maximum of 15 hours from the start of the shift to the end of the shift, this does not count as a reduced daily rest period so you needn’t worry about having one available.
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
Latique:
boss has been asking about a specific job and wether we can fit it in to my driving time
it entails driving rochdale to reading with twenty empty drums then waiting whilst sixteen of the drums are filled then returning to rochdale last time this run was done i had overnighted in a hotel close by after another job run into reading first thing then had taken the company three hours to fill & load the drums . it then took six hours forty mins to drive back to rochdale including a fortyfive at sandbach . as can be seen this is going to be very tight hours wise . could i split my rest at reading whilst the drums are sorted if so how do i go about this .p s its a day cab 7.5t
Instead of waiting 3 hours for the drums to be filled, couldnt you fit 32 on the vehicle and have 16 in hand which could be filled before you get there, and have them loaded up in half an hour?
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he, he may go for a walk or sit in the park or whatever.
Even if he chooses to spend part of his rest period in the vehicle he’s not obliged to, look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he.
Look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
its always been the one rule that I have a problem with, it is a split rest and not a split break, so surely you have to comply with the rules on daily rests regardless of whether you take it in full or split, and as such sleeping facilities must be available from the word go.
I understand what you are saying about the b&b, yes the driver has gone back under his own volition, but he has already left the vehicle and yes has been freely able to dispose of his time as he see’s fit.
But just going on split rest while waiting does he comply with the rules on being able to freely dispose of his time, and the sleeping facilities, that is the difficult bit?
Latique:
boss has been asking about a specific job and wether we can fit it in to my driving time
it entails driving rochdale to reading with twenty empty drums then waiting whilst sixteen of the drums are filled then returning to rochdale last time this run was done i had overnighted in a hotel close by after another job run into reading first thing then had taken the company three hours to fill & load the drums . it then took six hours forty mins to drive back to rochdale including a fortyfive at sandbach . as can be seen this is going to be very tight hours wise . could i split my rest at reading whilst the drums are sorted if so how do i go about this .p s its a day cab 7.5t
Instead of waiting 3 hours for the drums to be filled, couldnt you fit 32 on the vehicle and have 16 in hand which could be filled before you get there, and have them loaded up in half an hour?
thats whay we are leaving four for future trips its just this time we have to clear a back log to get ahead if that makes sence after this trip it should be just four a month so dne by my collegue on a transit
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he.
Look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
its always been the one rule that I have a problem with, it is a split rest and not a split break, so surely you have to comply with the rules on daily rests regardless of whether you take it in full or split, and as such sleeping facilities must be available from the word go.
I understand what you are saying about the b&b, yes the driver has gone back under his own volition, but he has already left the vehicle and yes has been freely able to dispose of his time as he see’s fit.
But just going on split rest while waiting does he comply with the rules on being able to freely dispose of his time, and the sleeping facilities, that is the difficult bit?
What are you saying? is it illegal to sleep in a day cab with boards across the seats and curtains on the windows now??
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he.
Look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
its always been the one rule that I have a problem with, it is a split rest and not a split break, so surely you have to comply with the rules on daily rests regardless of whether you take it in full or split, and as such sleeping facilities must be available from the word go.
I understand what you are saying about the b&b, yes the driver has gone back under his own volition, but he has already left the vehicle and yes has been freely able to dispose of his time as he see’s fit.
But just going on split rest while waiting does he comply with the rules on being able to freely dispose of his time, and the sleeping facilities, that is the difficult bit?
What are you saying? is it illegal to sleep in a day cab with boards across the seats and curtains on the windows now??
I think it would take a court case to settle that argument, what is deemed as suitable sleeping facilities, now personally I would say it should be fitted with a purpose built bunk, now that could be a sleeper pod on the roof, as a lot of the small polish daily have fitted that we see everyday over here, not being a judge or a legal person that would be down to them to determine.
to clarify no problems with my daily rest as normaly only work 8-6 m-f so get a good rest every night so reduced rest available .it took so long last time as had to go cross country as M 40 shut by an accident and truck with this load and previous load near weight limit (weighted out at 7480 with full tank ) so took the run across to the A34 at Botley very steady so looking at worst case scenario again . know i can get to Reading barring disaster in around 4hrs 30 as would be leaving Rochdale around 4am to arrive as the company opens .wondering if taking a 9hr 45 before setting off back would be a legal option ?
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he.
Look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
its always been the one rule that I have a problem with, it is a split rest and not a split break, so surely you have to comply with the rules on daily rests regardless of whether you take it in full or split, and as such sleeping facilities must be available from the word go.
I understand what you are saying about the b&b, yes the driver has gone back under his own volition, but he has already left the vehicle and yes has been freely able to dispose of his time as he see’s fit.
But just going on split rest while waiting does he comply with the rules on being able to freely dispose of his time, and the sleeping facilities, that is the difficult bit?
What are you saying? is it illegal to sleep in a day cab with boards across the seats and curtains on the windows now??
I think it would take a court case to settle that argument, what is deemed as suitable sleeping facilities, now personally I would say it should be fitted with a purpose built bunk, now that could be a sleeper pod on the roof, as a lot of the small polish daily have fitted that we see everyday over here, not being a judge or a legal person that would be down to them to determine.
Since the rules are as clear as mud i dont think they would ever take something like that to court, Coffeeholic summed the rules up in 2010 that was linked to a post the other day.
Yes there are and I’ll list them all in order of importance. 1. The vehicle must have suitable sleeping facilities for each driver. 2. … There is just one single requirement. You can legally night out in a day cab provided it has suitable sleeping facilities and as what is suitable isn’t defined you could sling a hammock up in the cab. No legal requirements for heaters or minimum size.
So a rolled up hammock in a day could be all that is needed to take a legal 3 hour split daily rest.
wildfire:
Tacho how would a day cab driver be able to comply with the rules on taking a split rest in a day cab truck when quote, “When a daily rest is taken, this may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities
and is stationary.”
That bit has always confused me how day cab driver can comply. The only way I could see it was if the driver left the truck and went away. would love your thoughts on this.
Oh and that is a direct quote taken from GV262-03.
You’re absolutely right you cannot legally have a daily rest period in a cab without suitable sleeping facilities, but he’s not going to be having his daily rest period in the cab is he.
Look at it this way, if you was on a night out with a day cab and booked into a B&B would it be illegal to return to the vehicle for a couple of hours for your own personal reasons, suppose the B&B was full of people you couldn’t stand would it be illegal to sit in your vehicle and read for a while, you can’t have a daily rest period in a vehicle without suitable sleeping facilities but I’m not aware of anything in the regulations that says you cannot spend any part of your daily rest period in a vehicle that doesn’t have suitable sleeping facilities.
In other words he won’t be having his daily rest period in the vehicle, he will be able to dispose of his time freely, and he may if he so chooses spend part of his rest period in the vehicle, though not working obviously.
its always been the one rule that I have a problem with, it is a split rest and not a split break, so surely you have to comply with the rules on daily rests regardless of whether you take it in full or split, and as such sleeping facilities must be available from the word go.
I understand what you are saying about the b&b, yes the driver has gone back under his own volition, but he has already left the vehicle and yes has been freely able to dispose of his time as he see’s fit.
But just going on split rest while waiting does he comply with the rules on being able to freely dispose of his time, and the sleeping facilities, that is the difficult bit?
I think this whole “able to dispose of your time freely” is a little subjective to be honest, if you’re parked up for the night in a services miles from nowhere can you really dispose of your time freely, legally yes but realistically your trapped in the service area.
Likewise if you have to wait 3 hours for a load and are not tied to the vehicle you’re as able to dispose of your time freely as much as at any time you may be on a night out, I think the only time this could get tricky would be if you was told you’re unable to leave the premises for the 3 hours.
As far as having to have sleeping facilities available from the word go I don’t see that at-all, back to the B&B scenario, if I parked up at 14:00 but knew I couldn’t book into the B&B until 17:00 would I be breaking the law if I waited in the vehicle where it’s dry and warm, I don’t think so.
As I see it when on a split daily rest period in a day cab, as long as you have a reasonable amount of freedom to do as you like you’re complying with the regulations, the fact that you don’t have sleeping facilities in the cab is irrelevant unless you’re going to be having both parts of the split daily rest period in the vehicle.
Latique:
to clarify no problems with my daily rest as normaly only work 8-6 m-f so get a good rest every night so reduced rest available .it took so long last time as had to go cross country as M 40 shut by an accident and truck with this load and previous load near weight limit (weighted out at 7480 with full tank ) so took the run across to the A34 at Botley very steady so looking at worst case scenario again . know i can get to Reading barring disaster in around 4hrs 30 as would be leaving Rochdale around 4am to arrive as the company opens .wondering if taking a 9hr 45 before setting off back would be a legal option ?
This is where it gets tricky if you want to comply with the letter of the law, legally you would need some sort of sleeping facilities available to have a reduced daily rest period in the cab, but as has been pointed out above it doesn’t have to be a sleeper cab.
Realistically if you park up somewhere you won’t be disturbed by DVSA no-one will ever know that you had a 9 hour reduced daily rest period in the cab before starting the return journey unless you tell them
