Hi my name is Gidion,
I’ve been a class2 driver for 4 years now and just recently decided to try my hand at being a driving instructor(eventually be a hgv instructor).
I am now a qualified driving instructor but business is a bit slow so I’ve put my name down with a few agencies to get a few days driving class2.
I’ve heard a few different things, that if you’ve driven lets say your 9 hours in the truck you can’t then give tuition within your daily rest period due to the fact that you are getting paid for giving tuition??
Example
Mon - drive 9 hours in truck ending at 11.00. I can’t give tuition until 20.00.
Another example
Tues - give 6 hours tuition until 13.00 i can only drive a truck for 3 hours + 1 hour(10th hour)
My theory is you can drive 10 hours in your truck and then drive your car for an hour home so why can’t i give tuition when i get home?
Thank you for anyone who can shed some light on this matter.
Giddy:
Hi my name is Gidion,
I’ve been a class2 driver for 4 years now and just recently decided to try my hand at being a driving instructor(eventually be a hgv instructor).
I am now a qualified driving instructor but business is a bit slow so I’ve put my name down with a few agencies to get a few days driving class2.
I’ve heard a few different things, that if you’ve driven lets say your 9 hours in the truck you can’t then give tuition within your daily rest period due to the fact that you are getting paid for giving tuition??
Example
Mon - drive 9 hours in truck ending at 11.00. I can’t give tuition until 20.00.
Another example
Tues - give 6 hours tuition until 13.00 i can only drive a truck for 3 hours + 1 hour(10th hour)
My theory is you can drive 10 hours in your truck and then drive your car for an hour home so why can’t i give tuition when i get home?
Thank you for anyone who can shed some light on this matter.
What you’ve heard is almost correct, you’re driving tuition would be classed as other work but not driving, even though it doesn’t come in-scope of EU driving regulations itself.
So if for instance you started a HGV driving job at 08:00 you would need to be finished all work including driving tuition by 23:00 if you were able to have a reduced daily rest of nine hours, otherwise you would need to be finished by 21:00
This allows a 9 or 11 hour daily rest within 24 hours from the start of the shift.
However the driving tuition doesn’t count as driving for the EU regulations, so if you did nine hours HGV driving during the day, you would still be able to do driving tuition as long as you can still have an uninterrupted daily rest of 11 hours, or a reduced daily rest of 9 hours.
It’s not the same as driving home after work, as when you drive home from work you’re at rest and able to freely dispose of your time, clearly when you do driving instruction you’re not able to freely dispose of your time.
In any week (00:00 Monday to 24:00 Sunday) when you drive in-scope of EU regulations you will need to complete records for all other work done during that week, for days in the same week when you didn’t do any driving in-scope of EU regulations you will need to keep a record but it only needs to show your name, date and start and finish times.
These manual records can be either on charts or digital tachograph printouts.
Drivers Hours and Tachograph Rules:
Rest periods
Daily rest periodsA driver must take a daily rest period within each period of 24 hours after the end of the previous daily
or weekly rest period. An 11-hour (or more) daily rest is called a regular daily rest period.A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working in
other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be
counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed.
Records
During a week in which the in-scope driving has taken place, any previous work (including out-of-scope
driving in that week) would have to be recorded as ‘other work’ on a tachograph chart, printout or a
manual entry using the manual input facility of a digital tachograph, or a legally required GB domestic
record on a log book.
Driving to or from your normal place of work is not counted - thats the rules (yep, I know it’s silly, or could be, as it could take 3 hours to get to work!!)
Any ‘other work’ has to be put manually into a digi or on a tacho card
If you started at 2am then your max day (which cannot be done every day) is 15 hours so you must be finished by 5pm
I am assuming you come under EU driving regs every week and that being the case then you must conform to the weekly rests which basically means that you can only do one days work every other weekend - I’m betting that if you are doing car L instruction and mixing it with LGV driving, this will be a problem 
AH - the person who is more of an EXPERT in these matters has posted before me 
ROG:
Driving to or from your normal place of work is not counted
…as long as you’re not driving to work in a truck over 7.5t MAM.
MrFlibble:
ROG:
Driving to or from your normal place of work is not counted…as long as you’re not driving to work in a truck over 7.5t MAM.
Fair point 
Does flying a helicopter to work count as free time or other work
… these ■■■■ smell funny…
ROG:
MrFlibble:
ROG:
Driving to or from your normal place of work is not counted…as long as you’re not driving to work in a truck over 7.5t MAM.
Fair point
Does flying a helicopter to work count as free time or other work
… these ■■■■ smell funny…
I think the point MrFlibble was making was that if you take the lorry home you’re still in-scope of EU regulations.
ROG:
Does flying a helicopter to work count as free time or other work
Somebody is being paid well…your not a tanker driver now, are you Rog.
tachograph:
ROG:
MrFlibble:
ROG:
Driving to or from your normal place of work is not counted…as long as you’re not driving to work in a truck over 7.5t MAM.
Fair point
Does flying a helicopter to work count as free time or other work
… these ■■■■ smell funny…
I think the point MrFlibble was making was that if you take the lorry home you’re still in-scope of EU regulations.
That was the point, and not that unlikely if you’re an LGV instructor with your own vehicle. Private, non-commercial use (over 7.5t) came under EU regs last April.
There is a derogation:-
Vehicles used for driving instruction and examination
with a view to obtaining a driving licence or a certificate
of professional competence, provided that they are
not being used for the commercial carriage of goods or
passengers.
So driving school vehicles are ok as I understand it.
Smart Mart:
There is a derogation:-Vehicles used for driving instruction and examination
with a view to obtaining a driving licence or a certificate
of professional competence, provided that they are
not being used for the commercial carriage of goods or
passengers.So driving school vehicles are ok as I understand it.
Correct - LGV training school vehicles are EU regs exempt