ok if i go from A to B takes 2 hours .i have 15 min break and 15 min other work here ,
then i go from B to C take me 2 hours have 15 min other work and half break can i carry that half hour over .
as i now need to go bk to B from C
which takes 2 hours 15 mins as now in rush hour traffic , then again 15 min break and 30 min other work
from B bk to C again takes me 2 hours 15 again
giving total off 8 hours 30 min
leaving 30 min left on a 9 drive can this half hour still be taken even tho i have had 45 min break shown in the first bit
funkyfella:
ok if i go from A to B takes 2 hours .i have 15 min break and 15 min other work here ,
then i go from B to C take me 2 hours have 15 min other work and half break can i carry that half hour over .
as i now need to go bk to B from C
Not sure what you mean by carry over. At this point you can begin a new 4.5 hour driving period as you have taken 45 minutes of break which resets the drive time clock.
funkyfella:
which takes 2 hours 15 mins as now in rush hour traffic , then again 15 min break and 30 min other work
from B bk to C again takes me 2 hours 15 again
giving total off 8 hours 30 min
You need another 30 minutes break here as you have now accumulated 4.5 hours driving since your last breaks reset the drive time clock, and it should be taken before you do any other work.
funkyfella:
leaving 30 min left on a 9 drive can this half hour still be taken even tho i have had 45 min break shown in the first bit
Once you have completed the 30 minute break I mention above you are free to drive another 30 minutes for a 9-hour day or 90 minutes for a 10-hour day. Contrary to popular belief taking a 45 minute break before completing 4.5 hours driving does not mean you lose the unused part of those 4.5 hours. You could take several breaks totalling 45 minutes during teh day and all it means is the drive time clock is reset to zero and you have another 4.5 hours at your disposal, up to the maximum 9 or 10 hours for the day.
ok just to go through what u said coffee i can do
2 hour drive
15 min break 15 min other work
2 hour drive 30 min break 15 min other work
2 hour 15 min drive
15 min break half hour other work
2 hour 15 min drive 15 min other work 30 min other work
30 min drive
total 9 hour drive
is that what you are saying
if this was a 10 i would be able to drive for another 1 hour 30 min aswell ?
ta
funkyfella:
2 hour drive
15 min break 15 min other work
2 hour drive 30 min break 15 min other work
You’ve now had the 45 minute break so the clock is reset to 4.5 hours driving time here
2 hour 15 min drive
15 min break half hour other work
2 hour 15 min drive 15 min other work 30 min other work
You have now done 4.5 hours driving from the last 45 minute break, so you should take another 30 minute break to add to the 15 minutes you’ve already had.
To continue driving is illegal
30 min drive
This 30 minutes driving would be illegal without the 30 minute break first.total 9 hour drive
is that what you are saying
if this was a 10 i would be able to drive for another 1 hour 30 min aswell ?
The last 30 minutes driving could be extended to 1 and half hours on a 10 hour driving day as long as the required breaks were taken.
When you have had the 45 minute break the 4.5 hours driving time is reset, any driving time bellow 4.5 hours before the break does not carry over to the next driving session.
You don’t lose any driving time over the day but you should never drive a total of more than 4 and half hours without the 45 minute break/breaks.
Is the 30 minutes other work I’ve coloured blue a mistake?
The reason I ask is that you’ve got 2 lots of other work back to back, I suspect you may have intended that as break in which case the whole thing would have been legal 
funkyfella:
ok just to go through what u said coffee i can do2 hour drive
15 min break 15 min other work
2 hour drive 30 min break 15 min other work
2 hour 15 min drive
15 min break half hour other work
2 hour 15 min drive 15 min other work 30 min other work
30 min drivetotal 9 hour drive
is that what you are saying
Almost.
Except for this bit
funkyfella:
2 hour 15 min drive 15 min other work 30 min other work
I presume that is a typo and you meant 30 minutes break as opposed to other work? You would need to take the 30-minute break before doing the 15 minutes of other work as the 2x 2hour 15-minute drives = 4.5 hours and trigger a break. If those two driving sessions add up to 4 hours 29 minutes or less then you could do the other work first and then take the break. If they total 4 hours 30 minutes exactly though the break must come first.
So to clarify this would be the legal version of your scenario.
2 hour drive
15 min break 15 min other work
2 hour drive 30 min break 15 min other work
2 hour 15 min drive
15 min break half hour other work
2 hour 15 min drive 30 min break 15 min other work
30 min drive
funkyfella:
if this was a 10 i would be able to drive for another 1 hour 30 min aswell ?
Yes you would
tachograph:
The reason I ask is that you’ve got 2 lots of other work back to back, I suspect you may have intended that as break in which case the whole thing would have been legal
Not quite legal, almost but not quite. He would need to take the 30-minute break before doing the 15 minutes of other work. 
Coffeeholic:
tachograph:
The reason I ask is that you’ve got 2 lots of other work back to back, I suspect you may have intended that as break in which case the whole thing would have been legal
Not quite legal, almost but not quite. He would need to take the 30-minute break before doing the 15 minutes of other work.
Good job you still pop in sometimes to put us right
thanks guys , yeh was a typo error my fat fingers for ya lol,
Coffeeholic:
You need another 30 minutes break here as you have now accumulated 4.5 hours driving since your last breaks reset the drive time clock, and it should be taken before you do any other work.
Ah - this is a new one for me 
I used to do 4.5 hours driving then other work but took the 45 before doing any other driving - is this now illegal 
- or did I have it wrong before
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
You need another 30 minutes break here as you have now accumulated 4.5 hours driving since your last breaks reset the drive time clock, and it should be taken before you do any other work.Ah - this is a new one for me
I used to do 4.5 hours driving then other work but took the 45 before doing any other driving - is this now illegal
To be honest I’ve also misunderstood this in the past but a quick look at the regulations clarifies it.
REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006:
Article 7After a driving period of four and a half hours a driver shall
take an uninterrupted break of not less than 45 minutes,
unless he takes a rest period.
This break may be replaced by a break of at least 15 minutes
followed by a break of at least 30 minutes each distributed
over the period in such a way as to comply with the provisions
of the first paragraph.
If there’s any doubt there (not saying there is) it’s certainly sorted out with this.
Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs:
Breaks and driving limitsBreaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45
minutes, unless he takes a rest period.Alternatively, a full 45-minute break can be replaced by one break of at least 15 minutes followed
by another break of at least 30 minutes.
.
tachograph:
ROG:
Coffeeholic:
You need another 30 minutes break here as you have now accumulated 4.5 hours driving since your last breaks reset the drive time clock, and it should be taken before you do any other work.Ah - this is a new one for me
I used to do 4.5 hours driving then other work but took the 45 before doing any other driving - is this now illegal
To be honest I’ve also misunderstood this in the past but a quick look at the regulations clarifies it.
REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006:
Article 7After a driving period of four and a half hours a driver shall
take an uninterrupted break of not less than 45 minutes,
unless he takes a rest period.
This break may be replaced by a break of at least 15 minutes
followed by a break of at least 30 minutes each distributed
over the period in such a way as to comply with the provisions
of the first paragraph.If there’s any doubt there (not saying there is) it’s certainly sorted out with this.
Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs:
Breaks and driving limitsBreaks
After a driving period of no more than 4.5 hours, a driver must immediately take a break of at least 45
minutes, unless he takes a rest period.Alternatively, a full 45-minute break can be replaced by one break of at least 15 minutes followed
by another break of at least 30 minutes..
Thanks mate - I had not realised that was there 
I wonder why it is there
If a driver got back into their yard at exactly 4.5 hours driving time and only needed to do 15 mins end-of-day stuff, then they would have to have a 45 min break before doing it - IMO, that’s daft
but surely you should be able to drive for 4hours 29minutes then do some other work and then have your break? would that be ok as long as you havent reached the magical 4 30 hours, and then have a 0.45 break once finished your other work?
surely this is feasible?
Giblsa:
but surely you should be able to drive for 4hours 29minutes then do some other work and then have your break? would that be ok as long as you havent reached the magical 4 30 hours, and then have a 0.45 break once finished your other work?surely this is feasible?
I think that is ok - I was just wondering WHY it said what it does about the 4hr 30min thing
Just seems non-logical to me thats all