splitshift:
Can’t belive this topic keeps coming back to haunt TNUK, my view is quite simple when you employ someone you take a chance its up to the employer to carry the risk not the driver, walk away from any company the wishs to impose this sort thing they’ll soon get the message when the yard is full of wagons parked up!
Fine no damage penalty but if you got some dork who does 500,1000 quid a months damage then you should have the right to give the pillock his P45 without the moron claiming “it wasnt his fault”
How can a “professional” driver blame a wall,post,tree that is fastened to the floor when he hits it?He is the moving object, press the bloody brakes,stop and look.
Thats what makes you a “professional”
I don’t think that’s what makes them professional, I think anyone who’s past a test would be expected to press the brake before they knowingly hit a stationary object!!
Bking. Boy you must be every haulier’s dream driver who has never had an accident or an offday I had 40yrs on the road but never new anybody as perfect as you.Eddie.
Ok I shall try clarify this as much as I can, I may be a bit rusty as I haven’t worked in this field for quiet some time so legislation might have changed (worked for citizens advice for ~10 years)
Unlawful Deductions.
There are certain things that an employer can deduct from your wages, these are legally required, like income tax and national insurance, there are also other things that can be taken out like pension contributions, student loans, child support payments, payments towards purchase of clothing (supplied by employer), loan repayments (loans through employer), stock or till shortages (up to a maximum of 10% gross pay) and several other things.
Those can all be done legally, some require written confirmation before a deduction is made like loan repayments, stock/till shortages, others do not like income tax, national insurance.
In the case of this forum thread and an employer charging the employee for vehicle damage, if it is in the contract and you have agreed to it then they can deduct money from your wages to cover that, this would be whats called a voluntary or compulsory one off deduction, and can cover things like damage to property or vehicles, but deductions that are deemed to be punitive in nature are only likely to be lawful if the actual amount is considered to be a reasonable reflection on the loss to the employer. This type of deduction must be confirmed in writing before it is taken, without which it would be considered unlawful.
For example if they want to deduct £500 to cover the insurance excess because you knocked someones bin over and crushed it then that is unreasonable and unlawful, if on the other hand you knocked their house down then that is reasonable and lawful.
How about this damage something once a verbal twice a verbal with some F, in and Blinding thrown in with get outta my sight third time as we say down in the west country GEROFF MY LAND
When i did recovery the boss brought this in.when i left he claimed id damaged a custemors car to the tune of 800 excluding vat but couldnt produce any paper work.so i got onto citizens advice who provided me with a letter stating only tax and ni could be taken from source anything else had to be done after i was paid but my contract never said anything about damage bills.i gave him 14 days to pay or small claims court.i was paid in full in a week
"…A week previously the same co announced potential redundancies, I don’t think for one minute that the two are connected as a threat to signing this contract "
I think that this would consitute “Threat or coercian” which would invalidate the contract.
If the situation arose and the company made a deduction from your wages, I think that they would be breaking the law.
Nonetheless, as always, the burden of pursuing the money would be down to you.
They are just trying it on. Cross the clause out.
R
Can’t believe this thread that I o/pd 15MONTHS AGO has been revived, but as it has, and seeing as it has touched on deductions from wages,… If you put a weekly time sheet in, and an employer does not agree with, let’s say,… one hour booked, does he. A. Tell the employee, prior to payment, that he does not agree and intends to take said hour off. B. Pay the hour, discuss with employee later, and if he agrees then take it off next weeks wage. C.Just take it off say nothing and not care if employee notices/objects or not. When I employed drivers I used method B, (or even just paid it anyway as long as it wasn’t a ■■■■ take, knowing that penny pinching was counter productive) where as the lot that I work for use method C on a regular basis, I would assume because some of the drivers don’t even check , and others are too timid to say anything anyway , When I have objected to it, I have said that it just makes a mockery of writing out a timesheet, so why don’t I just leave it blank and you decide what you can be bothered to pay me , but does anyone know the actual legal point of view on it?..Conor maybe?
erfguy:
Bking. Boy you must be every haulier’s dream driver who has never had an accident or an offday I had 40yrs on the road but never new anybody as perfect as you.Eddie.
Yes I have had accidents but at least I dont blame some bloody tree that jumped out in the road or a bridge that was too low!
What ■■■■■■ me is that its allways the same numpties that smack em wheras others go for years without incident.And its always the dorks that do the damage that moan about Damage penalties.
If a bloke has a bit of damage every 2/3 years no problem but when soom tool is in every other week with a bashed truck or trailer then get rid of the pillock.
If you cant drive get out the job.
, When I have objected to it, I have said that it just makes a mockery of writing out a timesheet, so why don’t I just leave it blank and you decide what you can be bothered to pay me 
, but does anyone know the actual legal point of view on it?..Conor maybe? 