Winseer:
If someone tried to pull that stroke with me, I’d report them for running an O licence without sufficient insurance!
I imagine VOSA will eventually break into a smile. The only insurance that you need to be be on the road is 3rd party, you do not even need fire or theft cover.
It takes a stupid thief to steal a burning truck.
Some of the larger companies do not even have insurance cover, they just pay a cash bond into the high court
Perfectly correct wheelnut.
I drove for Sainsbury’s for a few years before I saw the light & they had no insurance as such,just their own bond as you state. That’s why their fleet is so shabby, no insurance to pay for accident damage repairs,all out of their own pocket.Therefore if it’s still road legal,no matter how bad it looks,it doesn’t get repaired
jacksena:
I am not sure about this but you should check your drivers expire date and check validity then contact company sites for better satisfaction.
WTF have you been smoking?
can anyone translate this crap into english and explain the relevance to this thread?
As an agency driver i oten get an agreement/contract pushed at me and told to sign it. I start reading it and am usualy told. “You don’t need to that. It doesn’t mean anything” I carry on reading it and put a line through anything I don’t like or insert a negative (no, not etc) where I think it will improve my position. No-one has ever raise an objection to me doing this.
So in essence if I get a contract given to me in Hand then Its deemed as it is now active
BULL
Ok then
Youre walking down the street, youre given a mobile phone contract (unsigned), you are then liable to pay for the mobile phone and contract etc etc
In the terms that SS says, then you are liable to pay that contract
BULL
In no court would it be deemed signed by just passing you the contract to view it, If you do not sign the new contract and continue to work for the company, and they do not do anything to get you to sign, YOU ARE LEGALLY STILL on the Original Contract
The banks Try this tactic all the time, And guess what, THEY LOST, Shame most legal’s still do not get the law on contracts, ITS ONLY deemed valid once it is signed.
A firm can put anything they like into a contract, but cannot force people to sign it. They can only INVITE someone to sign it.
I could send you a bill for breathing the same air as me, but I wouldn’t expect you to sign it. If you DID, and you then broke whatever applied in the contract (“Please pay for your air shared with me £100 +VAT per week”), I could then take you to court, and get it upheld.
Therefore, if you don’t think the contract is fair - don’t sign it! If you do, you have no leg to stand on in law - seriously!
If a firm threatens to sack you if you DON’T sign, then they would be breaching the current contract you already have, that they hope you will cancel by signing the new one.
Win a huge amount in court - let them sack you under the old contract no worries.
If you don’t have a contract in the first place, and the firm is offering this as an initial deal, then walk away. You shouldn’t have too much vested with the firm by this point.
If you’ve been foolish enough to work for years and years for a firm without a contract, then consider yourself wide open to abuse - and now you have been.
Euro:
As an agency driver i oten get an agreement/contract pushed at me and told to sign it. I start reading it and am usualy told. “You don’t need to that. It doesn’t mean anything” I carry on reading it and put a line through anything I don’t like or insert a negative (no, not etc) where I think it will improve my position. No-one has ever raise an objection to me doing this.
Have you ever tried adding “The Firm” elects to pay double time for any period worked beyond 5 hours" or similar stuff to see if they actually read it when you send it back?
If you alter enough, it’ll end up looking like this…
Winseer:
If someone tried to pull that stroke with me, I’d report them for running an O licence without sufficient insurance!
I imagine VOSA will eventually break into a smile. The only insurance that you need to be be on the road is 3rd party, you do not even need fire or theft cover.
It takes a stupid thief to steal a burning truck.
Some of the larger companies do not even have insurance cover, they just pay a cash bond into the high court
Perfectly correct wheelnut.
I drove for Sainsbury’s for a few years before I saw the light & they had no insurance as such,just their own bond as you state. That’s why their fleet is so shabby, no insurance to pay for accident damage repairs,all out of their own pocket.Therefore if it’s still road legal,no matter how bad it looks,it doesn’t get repaired
I think I refered this to “The firm lays the insurance themselves” in other threads.
If they’ve laid it themselves, and then ask employees to cough up, then they are just profiteering to get around not wanting to pay top dollar to headhunt drivers with clean licences in the first instance.
If 6 points is ok, expect more damage. If it’s not ok, expect to pay more per hour!
Get caught with no insurance on your trucks and see what happens when you next apply for your O licence. Maybe not VOSA, but them and the TA all pee in the same bucket.
OH yea, if handing you a contract that you don’t sign makes it legally enforced, what about that contract i gave you that says on the first of every month you will send me £1000? Bet you’ll say no such contract exists now… and that is exactly why an unsigned contract doesn’t. Either ACAS are telling you porkies or you are hearing what you want to hear.
get caught with no insurance on your trucks and see what happens when you next apply for your O licence. Maybe not VOSA, but them and the TA all pee in the same bucket.
Winseer:
Have you ever tried adding “The Firm” elects to pay double time for any period worked beyond 5 hours" or similar stuff to see if they actually read it when you send it back?
If you alter enough, it’ll end up looking like this…
Not done that, But I have on a phone contract credit agreement wrote
“Subject to change of Number as per Telephone conversation, If any payment is taken out this means this contract has been agreed”
They took a payment, no change of number, They soon changed my number when I threatened court action and to stop the contract
(OK a small example)(Bigger example - I have reclaimed over £25,000 from Credit cards / bank accounts / PPI) btw not just mine
Thing is, Companies expect a certain percentage of workers / consumers will know the law, A higher percentage will not, so will cut their losses with those whom are in the know.
If you change the contract you are given, ENSURE you get a copy if you cannot make a copy
Not personally, but an operator (op A) I know had his almost new truck back at the dealers where it spent an awful lot of time with ‘issues’. He hired his spare driver to a local haulier (op B) who was short that week and everything looked fine until there was a problem with the other firms insurance and a bouncing cheque! The hired guy had a suicidal bint hit his (op B’s) truck and that’s when it all came to light. He never drove for them again, didn’t get done for any offence himself and went back to his employer (op A) as his truck was sorted then. The guy I knew (op A) then got invited for a nasty chat by the TA because the guy he was employing and paying, was driving for a haulage company (B) that had dodgy insurance cover and he had to do loads of stuff to even keep his own O licence!
Euro:
As an agency driver i oten get an agreement/contract pushed at me and told to sign it. I start reading it and am usualy told. “You don’t need to that. It doesn’t mean anything” I carry on reading it and put a line through anything I don’t like or insert a negative (no, not etc) where I think it will improve my position. No-one has ever raise an objection to me doing this.
Have you ever tried adding “The Firm” elects to pay double time for any period worked beyond 5 hours" or similar stuff to see if they actually read it when you send it back?
If you alter enough, it’ll end up looking like this…
some contacts have a clause to the effect that,…no changes can be made to this contract unless confirmed in writing by the …
But I suppose that if I cross this clause out it will not be part of the contract which i am signing. Chickens and eggs
how the [zb] does lending your employer interest free
money sound like a better
idea
What if they did what glen said but gave you a bonus on top if you don’t have an accident, like the money saved on the insurance, im not saying a massive amount but more than the interest that would have been gained by the company.
That would be a great incentive to drive with a bit more care and not feel like your being con’d
It would also cover the company’s excess if an accident should happen.
We now get a £256 “bonus” every month if youve no accidents ,or tacho infrindgements you get it all
If you have a small bump then you loose a proportion of it which sounds ok,BUT there is always some excuse .
Its not a bonus if you get it all its a ■■■■■■ miracle
I was talking to a driver the other day, quite an old-ish chap, and his firm take ‘upto’ £1000 out of their wages for any damage.
He was telling me that he caught someones mirror pulling off a bay and had £570 deducted from his wages @ £25 / week (that’s a shed long time) to pay for it
Why do people agree to crap like this? If people said no, they’d get no drivers, they’d get rid of the stupid idea.
As “professional” drivers I thought the you had an idea about driving a truck
not smashing it up?
Most of the “professionals” at Toscos would be going home in the red every week if they introduced it there.If companies introduced this clause where agencies paid for the damage their “drivers” did then most of them would be bloody bankrupt within a week
Would also stop some grinning bloody imbecile coming into the garage telling us that
“the loading deck was too low” or “it just ““caught”” the tail lift” and looking at a 6 grand
bill to fit new platform,rams and carrier.
Can’t belive this topic keeps coming back to haunt TNUK, my view is quite simple when you employ someone you take a chance its up to the employer to carry the risk not the driver, walk away from any company the wishs to impose this sort thing they’ll soon get the message when the yard is full of wagons parked up!
splitshift:
Can’t belive this topic keeps coming back to haunt TNUK, my view is quite simple when you employ someone you take a chance its up to the employer to carry the risk not the driver, walk away from any company the wishs to impose this sort thing they’ll soon get the message when the yard is full of wagons parked up!
Fine no damage penalty but if you got some dork who does 500,1000 quid a months damage then you should have the right to give the pillock his P45 without the moron claiming “it wasnt his fault”
How can a “professional” driver blame a wall,post,tree that is fastened to the floor when he hits it?He is the moving object, press the bloody brakes,stop and look.
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