I have just read in the official dsa book for driving goods vehicles and it says that you must not be on duty for more than eleven hours,
I thought it was fifteen and i have been told its fifteen,
Now im confussed!!
I left Exeter at 16:00 and arrived at my deliver in Ireland at 06:50 the next morning, My question is, am i a law breaking criminal ■■ 
Domestic hours?
mrpj:
Domestic hours?
I reckon so too
Read the book again - carefully…
The link below is the VOSA GUIDE to the EU regs but also contains the UK DOMESTIC regs
VOSA GUIDE
Hope it helps
Got the book in front of me rog but it still aint making sense 
cant get the link to work either so still none the wiser if im a law breaker or not, 
total madness:
I have just read in the official dsa book for driving goods vehicles and it says that you must not be on duty for more than eleven hours,
I thought it was fifteen and i have been told its fifteen,
Now im confussed!!
I left Exeter at 16:00 and arrived at my deliver in Ireland at 06:50 the next morning, My question is, am i a law breaking criminal ■■
As mrpj and ROG have said you’ve probably been looking at the domestic regulations.
To clarify on the 15 hour duty part, you can only do a 15 hour spread-over 3 times between weekly rest period, the EU regulations require you to have completed a daily rest period of at least 11 hours within 24 hours from the start of shift, the 11 hour daily rest can be reduced to 9 hours 3 times between weekly rest periods.
total madness:
am i a law breaking criminal ■■
Possibly but at least your tachograph records should be in order 
total madness:
Got the book in front of me rog but it still aint making sense
cant get the link to work either so still none the wiser if im a law breaker or not,
The link should open as a PDF file which may take a few moments.
If you were driving under EU regs then the shift you did was legal
total madness:
am i a law breaking criminal ■■tachograph:
Possibly but at least your tachograph records should be in order
I had that coming thanks for that, one less worry 
I fixed those quotes for you. dd
ROG:
total madness:
Got the book in front of me rog but it still aint making sense
cant get the link to work either so still none the wiser if im a law breaker or not,The link should open as a PDF file which may take a few moments.
If you were driving under EU regs then the shift you did was legal
Thanks rog,
Dont let the company tell you that its normal to work a 15 hr day…its not…13 hrs a day is the normal requirement, although its a drivers perogative whether HE chooses to work 15 hrs or not, they cannot force you to do it. Some companies will tell you that they expect you to work maximum hours, which means 3 x 15 hr days, and 3 x 9 hrs rest…although if its in your contract of employment to work these hours, then i dont think you have a lot of choice, you only have a choice of whether you want to work for them or not.
truckyboy:
Dont let the company tell you that its normal to work a 15 hr day…its not…13 hrs a day is the normal requirement, although its a drivers perogative whether HE chooses to work 15 hrs or not, they cannot force you to do it.
Not quite true, the company are perfectly entitled to schedule a longer than 13 hour day and if a driver regularly refuses he could find himself out of a job.
Coffeeholic:
truckyboy:
Dont let the company tell you that its normal to work a 15 hr day…its not…13 hrs a day is the normal requirement, although its a drivers perogative whether HE chooses to work 15 hrs or not, they cannot force you to do it.Not quite true, the company are perfectly entitled to schedule a longer than 13 hour day and if a driver regularly refuses he could find himself out of a job.
Wrong - taking a 9 hr reduced rest is at the drivers discretion not the company - they can find themselves in big doodoo if they route or insist on a driver taking a reduced break
cheers
Steve
gm:
Coffeeholic:
truckyboy:
Dont let the company tell you that its normal to work a 15 hr day…its not…13 hrs a day is the normal requirement, although its a drivers perogative whether HE chooses to work 15 hrs or not, they cannot force you to do it.Not quite true, the compant are perfectly entitled to schedule a longer than 13 hour day and if a driver regularly refuses he could find himself out of a job.
Wrong - taking a 9 hr reduced rest is at the drivers discretion not the company - they can find themselves in big doodoo if they route or insist on a driver taking a reduced break
Nonsense, you are just repeating a well known Driver’s Urban Myth. The company are only required to schedule the work so it meets the requirements of the EU Driver’s Hours Regulations and that means they can schedule the use of a reduced rest period if the driver has one available. The only person likely to find them self in doodoo is the driver if he regularly refuses.
REGULATION (EC) No 561/2006
Article 10
- A transport undertaking shall organise the work of
drivers referred to in paragraph 1 in such a way that the
drivers are able to comply with Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85
and Chapter II of this Regulation. The transport undertaking
shall properly instruct the driver and shall make regular
checks to ensure that Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 and
Chapter II of this Regulation are complied with.
gm:
Coffeeholic:
truckyboy:
Dont let the company tell you that its normal to work a 15 hr day…its not…13 hrs a day is the normal requirement, although its a drivers perogative whether HE chooses to work 15 hrs or not, they cannot force you to do it.Not quite true, the compant are perfectly entitled to schedule a longer than 13 hour day and if a driver regularly refuses he could find himself out of a job.
Wrong - taking a 9 hr reduced rest is at the drivers discretion not the company - they can find themselves in big doodoo if they route or insist on a driver taking a reduced break
cheers
Steve
Who would the company be in trouble with ?
There’s nothing in either the Drivers regulations or the Working Time regulations to stop a company from scheduling a reduced daily rest period, whether they can do it or not depends on the current contract of employment and working practices, if there’s nothing in the contract or working practices to stop it then the company are perfectly within their rights to require a reduced daily rest be taken.
tachograph:
Who would the company be in trouble with ?.
Grammar: “With whom would a company be in trouble”.
Santa:
tachograph:
Who would the company be in trouble with ?.Grammar: “With whom would a company be in trouble”.
I’ll try to remember
Santa:
tachograph:
Who would the company be in trouble with ?.Grammar: “With whom would a company be in trouble”.
Grammar: That’s a question, so it needs a question mark at the end. Doesn’t it?
Who, or indeed whom, gives a ■■■■ about grammar in this forum?
Coffeeholic:
Who, or indeed whom, gives a [zb] about grammar in this forum?
Santa and dieseldave do apparently
or should that be:
Apparently Santa and dieseldave do 
Or:
Santa and dieseldave apparently do
Coffeeholic:
Who, or indeed whom, gives a [zb] about grammar in this forum?
I didn’t give a {zb} about grammar until Santa did. 
I still go along with a perfectly sensible decision made ages ago whereby it’s OK if it’s understandable.
The thing I’ve noticed about those who start mentioning grammar is that they usually have grammatical faults of their own in their suggested ‘correction.’ This one was no different.
TBF, such a ‘discussion’ does liven up the forum now and again.
simple solution - just say that the content has been ROGed 