Drivers Hours

[convoy]

1. Say you did 1 hour and 30 mins driving and
   then stopped and put the mode switch on the
   bed symbol and then say started driving again
   50 minutes later. This would be classed as a
   break and you would have started a new 4 1/2
   hour driving period is this correct

2. Now let say you did the same 1 hour and 30
   mins driving and then stopped and put the mode
   switch on the bed symbol and then say started
   driving again after 1 hour this could be classed
   as rest so you dont start a new 4 1/2 hour driving
   period and if you took another 3 hours rest in the
   day you could do 16 hours and have 8 hours rest
   when your 16 hours as been reached is this correct

[rob_k]

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes.

[convoy]

Cheers Rob

when you do 16 hours your rest cannot be
no less than 1 hour or it would be classed as
a break. Would the examples be ok below as
long as you have 4 hours rest

4 hours rest -

1. 1 hour + 1 hour + 1 hour + 1 hour = 4 hour rest
2. 1 hour 15 min + 1 hour 15 min + 1 hour 30 mins = 4 hour rest
3. 1 hour + 3 hours = 4 hour rest

[rob_k]

convoy:
Cheers Rob

when you do 16 hours your rest cannot be
no less than 1 hour or it would be classed as
a break. Would the examples be ok below as
long as you have 4 hours rest

4 hours rest -

1. 1 hour + 1 hour + 1 hour + 1 hour = 4 hour rest
2. 1 hour 15 min + 1 hour 15 min + 1 hour 30 mins = 4 hour rest
3. 1 hour + 3 hours = 4 hour rest

You can’t do examples 1 & 2, but you can do 3. Basically to enable to you take an 8hr rest you need to have totalled 4hrs of rest through the day. The key part is that they can only be in two periods, and each of those periods must not be less than an hour.

[convoy]

Thanks again rob

[wheel_nut]

Rob K:

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes.

Oh Yes!

You are a bit of an internet wizard aren’t you churchill?

Convoy, if you ask Coffeholic nicely he might let you share his breakfast

[rob_k]

Wheel Nut:

Rob K:

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes.

Oh Yes!

You are a bit of an internet wizard aren’t you churchill?

OHHHHHHH YES, THAT I CAN DO

Convoy, if you ask Coffeholic nicely he might let you share his breakfast

[eddie_snax]

So the split rest period aint been done away with then, i thought i heard a rumour that it was going to be knocked on the head. I dont want it to be can be handy

[simon]

Rob K:

1. Yes
2. Yes and yes.

Not quite Rob.

After a rest or break of over 45 minutes, your 4:30 driving time does start again.

Eddie, as far as I know, the split rest is due to be knocked on the head at the beginning of next year.

[wheel_nut]

in example 1 After 4.5 hours the next driving period begins so the answer Yes is correct Simon.

So Yes, Yes and Yes

How do you justify the 16 hour split rest being stopped. You actually get more rest that way then with a shortened 9 hours

[eddie_snax]

Wheel Nut:
How do you justify the 16 hour split rest being stopped. You actually get more rest that way then with a shortened 9 hours

Yes i’ve allways thought that, as for all this 48hr stuff about H&S i dont hold with it, if you were unable to reduce your daily rest from11 hrs it would have a greater effect on H&S, and i’m not saying that the split rest should be done away with because that must amount to more than 12hrs in 24. And if it were a minimum requirment for 48hrs weekly rest when at base. this woukd by defualt limit your hours, and the need for all this reference period rubbish would be abolished

[simon]

Wheel Nut:
in example 1 After 4.5 hours the next driving period begins so the answer Yes is correct Simon.

So Yes, Yes and Yes

How do you justify the 16 hour split rest being stopped. You actually get more rest that way then with a shortened 9 hours

Example 1, the answer to Convoys question is yes.
Example 2, the answer to the first part of the question is no. A 1 hour rest or break is over 45 minutes, so a new 4 1/2 hour driving period has been started. It doesn’t matter whether you call it a short rest or a long break, it’s over 45 minutes.
The answer to the second part of the question is yes.

I disagree with them stopping the 16 hour and split rest and agree with you both. I’m simply passing on information that I’ve learned.

[rob_k]

YesI agree Simon. Convoy, after a total of 45 minutes rest in no less than 15 minute bits, means that you’re starting a new 4.5hr driving period.

It was the way you worded it that confused me into saying ‘yes’ when I should have said ‘no’.

[jammymutt]

Wheel Nut:
You actually get more rest that way then with a shortened 9 hours

More rest but surely less sleep?

[wheel_nut]

I am guilty of missing one small piece of information, Sorry Simon, I meant yes to the 16 hour bit, and thought that is what Rob had said yes to

Jammy if you are working 16 hour spreads, you are getting 12 hours, The way I use my time is I make sure I can get a shower and a meal in the 4 hours and spend 8 hours in my pit. You have to use them to suit yourself.

[reef]

this 1hr + 4 hr + 8 hr rule is something of a loop hole that a few drivers i know adopt
what they do is always leave there mode on break and every day take 1 hr break (instead of 45 mins) and then if they get held up at a delivery or collection for 3 1/2 hrs say they will then sit there for another 1/2 hr to take advantage of the 8 hr rest period available

by doing this they can get to their next days tip an hour earlier than say i could even though we stopped at the same time as them and even in the same place
therefore they earn brownie points miss traffic hotspots and the office then expect unachievable delivery times

so they have technically broken the law (taking 3 1/2 hr rest which should have been POA) plus leaving your mode switch on break all the time is wrong (but dont think its illegal or is it?)

So for this reason i will be glad if they scrap this rule…