agency driver doing extra shifts from his normal 4 on 4 off day shift will this be legal or not■■? or will the time off from Tuesday 02.00 till Wednesday 06.00 give him a reduced weekly rest (28 hours) and set reset the clock again.
Friday Saturday Sunday Monday rest days.
Tuesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Wednesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Thursday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Friday 0600 to 1630 work
then no work (rest) from Friday 16.30 until 16.00 Sunday
Sunday 16.00 to Monday 02.00 work
Monday 16.00 to Tuesday 02.00 work
then he works his normal set of 4 days Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday 06.00 16.30
wolter:
agency driver doing extra shifts from his normal 4 on 4 off day shift will this be legal or not■■? or will the time off from Tuesday 02.00 till Wednesday 06.00 give him a reduced weekly rest (28 hours) and set reset the clock again.
Tuesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Wednesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Thursday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Friday 0600 to 1630 work
then no work (rest) from Friday 16.30 until 16.00 Sunday = EXTRA REGULAR WEEKLY REST
Sunday 16.00 to Monday 02.00 work
Monday 16.00 to Tuesday 02.00 work
REDUCED WEEKLY REST WHICH RESETS THE 144 HOUR RULE UNTIL NEXT WEEKLY REST DUE + 17 HOURS TO PAYBACK
then he works his normal set of 4 days Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday 06.00 16.30
THE WEEKLY REST FOR NEXT WEEK MUST BE A REGULAR ONE
I was thinking he would have done 7 days but the previous post says he is taking a reduced weekly rest 24 hours again from Tuesday 02.00 to Wednesday 06.00 which starts the 144 hour clock again makes sense
wolter:
agency driver doing extra shifts from his normal 4 on 4 off day shift will this be legal or not■■? or will the time off from Tuesday 02.00 till Wednesday 06.00 give him a reduced weekly rest (28 hours) and set reset the clock again.
Friday Saturday Sunday Monday rest days.
Tuesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Wednesday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Thursday 06.00 to 16.30 work
Friday 0600 to 1630 work
then no work (rest) from Friday 16.30 until 16.00 Sunday
Sunday 16.00 to Monday 02.00 work
Monday 16.00 to Tuesday 02.00 work
then he works his normal set of 4 days Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday 06.00 16.30
Yes that’s legal and if I’ve got it right you could have another reduced weekly rest period after finishing work on the following Saturday.
Week 1. Tuesday to Friday (06:00-16:30) then a regular 46.5 hour weekly rest period followed by work on Sunday night.
Week 2. Work on Monday night followed by a reduced weekly rest period of 28 hours (resets the six 24 hour periods) then work Wednesday to Saturday (06:00 to 16:30).
You can now have another reduced weekly rest period if you want.
Week 3. You work Thursday to Sunday (06:00 to 16:30) (If you had a reduced weekly rest period at the end of week 2 you must now have a regular 45 hour weekly rest period)
If you chose to have another reduced weekly rest period at the end of week 2 you would have to be careful to do it in such a way as not to exceed the 144 hours between weekly rest periods for either weeks 2 or 3 work.
we’re on domestic rules 11 hours a day work or 10 hours driving a day 7 days a week with no wtd or rtd either it’s all good if you want extra cash but agency have to stick to eu rules and said it wasn’t legal
wolter:
Am I right in thinking then that ever 24+ hours off resets the 144 hour clock until you get to the point we’re you have to repay all the hours back
A reduced weekly rest period of 24 hours or more resets the six periods of 24 hours, in other words after a reduced weekly rest period you can then go for another 144 hours before you have to start another weekly rest period.
Compensation for reduced weekly rest periods needs to be paid back no later than the end of the third week following the week for which the reduced weekly rest period counts, a driver doing 4 on 4 off should have no problem paying back the compensation.
Though I have to say that mixing day work and night work in the same week, especially changing shifts after only 28 hour rest, is in my opinion unsociable and potentially unsafe as there’s a serious risk that the driver will not be properly rested.
wolter:
we’re on domestic rules 11 hours a day work or 10 hours driving a day 7 days a week with no wtd or rtd either it’s all good if you want extra cash but agency have to stick to eu rules and said it wasn’t legal
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I might be wrong but I thought all mobile workers driving LGVs were under the drivers WTD
Is it only those on EU regs … gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … s-vehicles
Annex 2. Working time rules
The working time rules that apply to you depend on whether you drive a vehicle in scope of the EU or GB domestic drivers’ hours rules.
Conor:
Its legal. Whats the matter, upset agency man is earning more than you and looking for a way to drop him in it?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
more than likely its because his agency job ■■■■■ and after deductions then he clears pure dung for a wage hence he has to try and scrape up another income to top it up so he has a living wage at the end of the week.
probably all the lockerbie type night trunk mega paid jobs are dead mans shoes and he is reduced to the mere pittance of scraping by on day to day agency scraps.
i would have thought there would be plenty of agency work going on these few months with all the agency regulars lying in their tenerife and thailand villas for the 3 months of winter spending their piles of dosh they all claim to earn in the previous nine month?
or would that be just a load of pish…?
wolter:
we’re on domestic rules 11 hours a day work or 10 hours driving a day 7 days a week with no wtd or rtd either it’s all good if you want extra cash but agency have to stick to eu rules and said it wasn’t legal
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I might be wrong but I thought all mobile workers driving LGVs were under the drivers WTD
Is it only those on EU regs … gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … s-vehicles
Annex 2. Working time rules
The working time rules that apply to you depend on whether you drive a vehicle in scope of the EU or GB domestic drivers’ hours rules.
read Annex 2 in the link on GB domestic working times we only have four things we have to abide by and one of them have a opt out.
wolter:
Am I right in thinking then that ever 24+ hours off resets the 144 hour clock until you get to the point we’re you have to repay all the hours back
A reduced weekly rest period of 24 hours or more resets the six periods of 24 hours, in other words after a reduced weekly rest period you can then go for another 144 hours before you have to start another weekly rest period.
A reduced rest never earns you “another” 144 hours, does it?
That is, assuming the current weekly rest is a reduced one, and if the weekly rest prior to the start of the current one ended 144 hours ago, then the beginning of the next weekly rest cannot be 144 hours following the end of the current one?
Or to put it another way, is it possible to work Mon-Sat during two consecutive weeks?
wolter:
we’re on domestic rules 11 hours a day work or 10 hours driving a day 7 days a week with no wtd or rtd either it’s all good if you want extra cash but agency have to stick to eu rules and said it wasn’t legal
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I might be wrong but I thought all mobile workers driving LGVs were under the drivers WTD
Is it only those on EU regs … gov.uk/guidance/drivers-hou … s-vehicles
Annex 2. Working time rules
The working time rules that apply to you depend on whether you drive a vehicle in scope of the EU or GB domestic drivers’ hours rules.
read Annex 2 in the link on GB domestic working times we only have four things we have to abide by and one of them have a opt out.
Rjan:
A reduced rest never earns you “another” 144 hours, does it?
Sure does. You could have Monday and Tuesday off giving you a regular rest in week 1. Work 6 shifts from Wednesday to Monday then have Tuesday off giving you a reduced rest in week 2 followed by another 6 shifts from Wednesday to Monday. If you then have Tuesday and Wednesday off that’ll be a regular rest in week 3. That’s two 144 hour periods split by a reduced weekly rest.
Can you do that on 2 consecutive Monday to Saturdays like you asked ?. No. Dumb ? Yes. Similar nonsense is being able to do 4 x 10 hour drives on the bounce from Saturday to Tuesday but not any other 4 day run.
Fixed week rules need to go really. In fact, the whole thing needs rewriting and simplifying. Brexit is a perfect opportunity but I wouldn’t hold your breath.
Rjan:
A reduced rest never earns you “another” 144 hours, does it?
Any weekly rest period, regular or reduced, resets the six 24 hour periods
Rjan:
Or to put it another way, is it possible to work Mon-Sat during two consecutive weeks?
Under certain circumstances it can be done but it’s generally best to have a regular weekly rest period every second week.
It’s not a circumstance I’ve had to pay close attention to before, but I’m curious, what working pattern would allow Mon-Sat to be worked on two consecutive weeks? I assume the third week ends up being a 4-day week as a consequence.
It had been my rule-of-thumb understanding that one could not work two Saturdays consecutively (on top of a normal M-F).
Imagine you start back on a monday after a weeks holls
The first 45 hours of those holls are for the last week worked
The last 45 hours of holls are for the first week back which we will call week 1
Week 1 work mon to sat = regular weekly rest at start of that week
Sunday off as a reduced weekly rest for week 2
Week 2 work mon to sat - reduced for this week was at the start of this week
Sunday off as a reduced weekly rest but not used as a weekly rest for any week - does not need compensating for and if enough hours over 24 then can be used to payback for last reduced weekly rest
Week 3 work mon to fri
Sat + Sun off as a regular weekly rest for this week
So for the regs =
Week 1 regular
Week 2 reduced
Week 3 regular
