The Tory government, operating in experimental driverless mode, is currently to be seen crawling along in the “Brexit” lane toward the white cliffs of Dover.
Speeds are much lower than originally anticipated, but it’s not yet clear when, or whether, the vehicle will change course to avoid a plunge.
The result is eagerly anticipated as the occupants, as a show of blind faith in the process, have declared their refusal to grab the wheel and force a change of course under any circumstances 
Don’t know why you’re so against it. Less competition for jobs from our EE driving colleagues, companies wanting to take on drivers so they aren’t left without. It may lead to a rise in unaccompanied trailers which means more work and opportunities for owner drivers.
I thought a better analogy was the bus reg UK 1, was running down a steep hill. No one knows what’s at the bottom. No one knows whether or not there’s any brakes fitted. The driver only wrestled the wheel away the last driver after it was moving, (and she didn’t even want the bus to leave the depot. Half the passengers are shouting “faster, faster” and the other half are screaming “stop, stop”!
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The Brexit bus was sent for refit, which took around 18 months, during this time the injectors were loosened, 20lbs (not kgs dear) of sugar was poured into the fuel tank, the air filter removed and the barrel-like void stuffed full of a single pair of the shadow home secretary’s flanellete directoire knickers, the tyres were let down, the steering wheel removed, the seats loosened, the conductor replaced with a double agent, the route sabotaged by fifth columnists swapping the signs round, and enemy agents masquerading as conservatives using stingers and sawn off small arms fire on the bus as it makes its way along the road in crawler, with the lifeless android currently standing in as a prime minister sitting bolt upright at the missing wheel starring wide eyed at her kitten heels and reading from notes prepared earlier for her by the fuhrer.
My Mrs said the day of the referendum result that we wouldn’t have Brexit in anything like how we voted for it, so far as is usual she’s bloody right.
Traitors galore playing their roles, doing everything they can to make leaving as ridiculously expensive and as long winded as possible, presumably with the intention that the whole thing goes pear shaped, we borrow £billions upon £billions in order to bribe the enemy to allow us to buy 3 times more of their products than they buy of ours 
with an extended transition period during which we pay more £billions, until the next general election comes along, when brother Corbyn of the lost principles will win and reverse the whole process, negotiate a brand new deal paying further £billions to allow us to creep cap in hand back into the fold, when we shall be forced to accept the Euro as currency.
Goodbye Great Britain.
Brilliant post by Juddian.
Conor:
Don’t know why you’re so against it. Less competition for jobs from our EE driving colleagues, companies wanting to take on drivers so they aren’t left without. It may lead to a rise in unaccompanied trailers which means more work and opportunities for owner drivers.
There won’t be less competition though. The whole Tory Brexit agenda is based on competitively undercutting Europe by abolishing the minimum workers rights which flow from Europe, as well as lots of other minimums (like product quality, food safety, tax rates, and so on).
Like I just pointed out on the Holiday Pay thread, about how Europe has imposed an all-in average in preference to the British approach of using only basic pay based on minimum guaranteed hours - which in the old days, would have meant an employer could put you on a 10-hour contract with compulsory, but not guaranteed, overtime, and only have to pay you 10 hours for each days holiday, even if you normally do a 50 hour week.
And you’re living in a dreamworld if you think they’ll actually exclude foreign workers. They’ve been in power 7 years and haven’t even tapered down non-EU immigration - they just fuss around the edges with trying to deport a few minor criminals and impoverished illegal migrants, making a big show, without doing anything radical that will actually upset the low-wage employment market.
The fundamental gambit is that, having left Europe, the genie will not go back in the bottle, so by time ordinary people realise they are being ■■■■ on by wealthy Brexiteers, the chains of the EU (which mannacle the rich from engaging in low-road competition with the other EU nations) will be broken and it will be too late for workers to do anything about it - and of course, with the electorate having been fooled once, their strategists reason, why won’t the same electorate be fooled again by a different ruse?
Austerity turned out to be a major act of economic self-harm which has led to the lowest wage growth for workers since the Regency period, but has boosted profits. Brexit will be another. But there’s no evidence that people are turning against the rich en-masse, or even against the Tory party. Fundamentally, I think, some ordinary people admire the rich and powerful, and can never bring themselves to acknowledge that the rich are engaged in the caculated exploitation of ordinary people, and that the only limit they set is what they can get away with - as you saw with the “£350m a week for the NHS” claim.
Rjan:
Conor:
Don’t know why you’re so against it. Less competition for jobs from our EE driving colleagues, companies wanting to take on drivers so they aren’t left without. It may lead to a rise in unaccompanied trailers which means more work and opportunities for owner drivers.There won’t be less competition though. The whole Tory Brexit agenda is based on competitively undercutting Europe by abolishing the minimum workers rights which flow from Europe, as well as lots of other minimums (like product quality, food safety, tax rates, and so on).
Like I just pointed out on the Holiday Pay thread, about how Europe has imposed an all-in average in preference to the British approach of using only basic pay based on minimum guaranteed hours - which in the old days, would have meant an employer could put you on a 10-hour contract with compulsory, but not guaranteed, overtime, and only have to pay you 10 hours for each days holiday, even if you normally do a 50 hour week.
And you’re living in a dreamworld if you think they’ll actually exclude foreign workers. They’ve been in power 7 years and haven’t even tapered down non-EU immigration - they just fuss around the edges with trying to deport a few minor criminals and impoverished illegal migrants, making a big show, without doing anything radical that will actually upset the low-wage employment market.
The fundamental gambit is that, having left Europe, the genie will not go back in the bottle, so by time ordinary people realise they are being [zb] on by wealthy Brexiteers, the chains of the EU (which mannacle the rich from engaging in low-road competition with the other EU nations) will be broken and it will be too late for workers to do anything about it - and of course, with the electorate having been fooled once, their strategists reason, why won’t the same electorate be fooled again by a different ruse?
Austerity turned out to be a major act of economic self-harm which has led to the lowest wage growth for workers since the Regency period, but has boosted profits. Brexit will be another. But there’s no evidence that people are turning against the rich en-masse, or even against the Tory party. Fundamentally, I think, some ordinary people admire the rich and powerful, and can never bring themselves to acknowledge that the rich are engaged in the caculated exploitation of ordinary people, and that the only limit they set is what they can get away with - as you saw with the “£350m a week for the NHS” claim.
So why can’t we have a Labour Brexit policy to oppose the Conservative one.You know the one which people like Shore,Benn and Heffer stood for and Hoey and John Boyd stand for now ?.The difference being that when we’ve got it we won’t have German bankers and their EU commissioner puppets telling us that we have to follow the EU line.So why is it that Corbyn doesn’t see it the same as them ?.Oh wait he’s an anti nation state soviet style dictatorial Stalinist muppet who abhorrs democracy that’s why.
While why do you apply double standards in which you see East Euro race to the bottom under cutting of West Euro workers as being ok ?.No surprise that you’ve got banker elites like zb Blair and Tories like Clark and the CBI on your side in that regard.
As for austerity there isn’t much option in a country which has had its industrial heart ripped out in the form of closing down our wealth creating industry to benefit that of Germany’s etc.Resulting in an unsustainable trade deficit which has to be paid for in the form of equally unsustainable borrowing or printing money or cuts or a combination of all three.While you seem to conveniently forget that austerity has been imposed as an EU member state since 1973 including the Thatcher years with her being another of your pro EU allies.While we’ve seen how the EU does anti austerity in the form of Greece.So how does more EU fix that ?.
As for the 350 m anyone with any common sense knows the context in which that was meant and a lot better than the preference of the hypocritical remainers in wanting to keep on giving it all to their corrupt stinking EU Federal zb pile while we suffer austerity and cuts at home. 
Carryfast:
While why do you apply double standards in which you see East Euro race to the bottom under cutting of West Euro workers as being ok ?.No surprise that you’ve got banker elites like zb Blair and Tories like Clark and the CBI on your side in that regard.
Because Eastern Europe isn’t racing to the bottom, any more so than China or India are racing down. They’re racing upwards.
As for the 350 m anyone with any common sense knows the context in which that was meant and a lot better than the preference of the hypocritical remainers in wanting to keep on giving it all to their corrupt stinking EU Federal zb pile while we suffer austerity and cuts at home.
I’m not sure anyone with “common sense” realised that “control” of £350m meant something different from achieving a saving £350m.
There is no suggestion, for example, that the Tory government is going to end farming subsidies. So the fact that they have renewed “control” over £350m doesn’t mean they will spend it any differently from how the EU does.
It’s like your wife saying to the kids “if we divorce your father, we’ll take back control of the mortgage money”.
Of course, the mortgage still has to be paid, whether via the father or not, and actually divorce will impose new costs in the form of the running costs of two separate households (from the same wages) and the costs of two separate households having to interact (such as the costs of shuttling the kids between the two houses, and the hassles of having to negotiate things that used to be done relatively seamlessly on trust, or having to make concessions on things that used to be common policy, like each parent having to bid up the children’s pocket money to retain favour).
And the new trading deals the Brexiteers have promised, like the prospect of a wealthy, charming new boyfriend for the divorcee, have proved to be illusory. India even tabled the idea of free movement of workers as the price of any bilateral trade deal, an incendiary idea to most working class Brexiteers.
For the wealthy who do support Brexit (and most don’t because they doubt that it is actually good for business), it is done in the confidence not that there will be another £350m for the NHS, but that the rules and regulations which prevent undercutting (of both domestic UK businesses and European ones) will be swept away, and the belief they will have a raft of new opportunities for low-wage businesses. The fact that British workers will lose out is neither here nor there - the point is it will be profitable.
Can’t really argue against anything Rjan says there.
I really do hope he’s mistaken but I’m afraid he’s correct.
If/when we’re out in the big world where are these "new markets?
No new countries have been discovered lately have they? So we won’t have new opportunities, we’ll be competing against the existing providers to our “customers”. Our businesses will be competing against the BRICs, and against the EU. We won’t be negotiating deals as part of a strong group, we’ll be a much smaller voice at any table. We’ll have freedom to negotiate outside the Eu? Great. Freedom to undercut the Eastern Euro countries. Not the freedom I want thanks.
For decades we had economic growth as part of Europe. We’ve had a few years of austerity, well, so has the rest of the western world. The EU is not perfect but it isn’t responsible for the bad economic policies of UK government and underinvestment in UK industry. We can blame our own politicians and businesses for that without scapegoating the EU.
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Rjan:
The whole Tory Brexit agenda is based on competitively undercutting Europe by abolishing the minimum workers rights which flow from Europe,
We can vote out our Tory governments, we can’t vote out EU commissioners.
The workers rights that have come from the EU, have not been given by some benevolent organization, but won by pressure from unions. And the Eurozone crises has done very little to help millions of workers in Spain, France, Italy and Greece, the EU would rather see them on the scrap heap to protect their ideology of an integrated Europe and looking after the Global Free market.
From the Socialist Worker
If workers’ rights clash with the “four freedoms”, the EU always comes down on the bosses’ side.
In 2007 Finnish ferry company Viking tried to operate from neighbouring Estonia to get around a union agreement. The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled in the bosses’ favour, saying that workers taking action could restrict Viking’s “right” to relocate.
British Airways bosses used the ruling to stop the Balpa pilots’ union striking against plans to set up a subsidiary with worse terms and conditions.
Rjan:
as well as lots of other minimums (like product quality, food safety, tax rates, and so on).
Except the EU are as willing to give them away to Multi-national companies as the Tories are with deals like CETA and TTIP, we can vote the Tories out.
Rjan:
And you’re living in a dreamworld if you think they’ll actually exclude foreign workers. They’ve been in power 7 years and haven’t even tapered down non-EU immigration - they just fuss around the edges with trying to deport a few minor criminals and impoverished illegal migrants, making a big show, without doing anything radical that will actually upset the low-wage employment market.
The average wage for those immigrating to the UK from outside the EU is about the same as UK workers, those from the EU15 it is actually higher, however from those Countries that joined the EU since 2004 the average wage is lower than the UK average.
Rjan:
Austerity turned out to be a major act of economic self-harm which has led to the lowest wage growth for workers since the Regency period, but has boosted profits. Brexit will be another. But there’s no evidence that people are turning against the rich en-masse, or even against the Tory party. Fundamentally, I think, some ordinary people admire the rich and powerful, and can never bring themselves to acknowledge that the rich are engaged in the caculated exploitation of ordinary people, and that the only limit they set is what they can get away with - as you saw with the “£350m a week for the NHS” claim.
Austerity isn’t a purely UK thing, just go to other parts of Europe to see what it was like, some places reminded me of going to parts of our industrial heartland in the mid to late 80’s. The EU have no more consideration for your average worker than the UK does.
People not turning against the rich, were you asleep during the last Election? Despite the media’s best efforts and predictions of a total collapse a Labour party with it’s most radical leader in a generation they managed to get make enough gains to lead to the Conservatives having a minority government.
And the more the Tories make a hash of Brexit, the more people see the devastation of public services the more people will reject the Tories, but if the Labour party really want to win, it needs to get rid of the Blairites, it needs to get rid of the PC set and get back to it’s grass roots, that is the workers of the UK.
Don’t be fooled by the adage of
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend "
The EU is there to promote the same Globalist Free market agenda that the Tories and Blairite Traitors believe, even though it crashed the World economy and led to millions of unemployed workers.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
While why do you apply double standards in which you see East Euro race to the bottom under cutting of West Euro workers as being ok ?.No surprise that you’ve got banker elites like zb Blair and Tories like Clark and the CBI on your side in that regard.Because Eastern Europe isn’t racing to the bottom, any more so than China or India are racing down. They’re racing upwards.
As for the 350 m anyone with any common sense knows the context in which that was meant and a lot better than the preference of the hypocritical remainers in wanting to keep on giving it all to their corrupt stinking EU Federal zb pile while we suffer austerity and cuts at home.
I’m not sure anyone with “common sense” realised that “control” of £350m meant something different from achieving a saving £350m.
There is no suggestion, for example, that the Tory government is going to end farming subsidies. So the fact that they have renewed “control” over £350m doesn’t mean they will spend it any differently from how the EU does.
It’s like your wife saying to the kids “if we divorce your father, we’ll take back control of the mortgage money”.
Of course, the mortgage still has to be paid, whether via the father or not, and actually divorce will impose new costs in the form of the running costs of two separate households (from the same wages) and the costs of two separate households having to interact (such as the costs of shuttling the kids between the two houses, and the hassles of having to negotiate things that used to be done relatively seamlessly on trust, or having to make concessions on things that used to be common policy, like each parent having to bid up the children’s pocket money to retain favour).
And the new trading deals the Brexiteers have promised, like the prospect of a wealthy, charming new boyfriend for the divorcee, have proved to be illusory. India even tabled the idea of free movement of workers as the price of any bilateral trade deal, an incendiary idea to most working class Brexiteers.
For the wealthy who do support Brexit (and most don’t because they doubt that it is actually good for business), it is done in the confidence not that there will be another £350m for the NHS, but that the rules and regulations which prevent undercutting (of both domestic UK businesses and European ones) will be swept away, and the belief they will have a raft of new opportunities for low-wage businesses. The fact that British workers will lose out is neither here nor there - the point is it will be profitable.
How can East Euro be racing anywhere other than down when they refuse to reinflate their economies in the form of imposing West Euro minimum wage rates.While do you really think that the reason we are being flooded with East Euro economic migration and their takeover of the West Euro labour market and transport markets is all about increasing wage levels.
As for the 350m no common sense says that’s just a simple choice of keep giving it to the EU’s corrupt agenda or we keep it at home where we can spend it on our own needs LIKE the NHS ( FOR ONE EXAMPLE ) among OTHERS.Which obviously doesn’t mean ALL of it on just the NHS alone.While it’s clear that the remainers are just trying to twist that for their own corrupt motives which are all about let’s keep paying it all to the EU for the privilege of providing British jobs for EU workers with resulting austerity at home to pay for the resulting trade deficit and the missing cash which you want go on giving to your EUSSR masters.
No surprise you seem to have avoided the question as to why do we supposedly only have the choice of the Neo Con Tory version of Brexit as opposed to that of Benn,Shore,Heffer and now Hoey and John Boyd.On that note exactly what are these supposed EU rules which stop undercutting when even Corbyn has never once called for an EU wide minimum wage.Let alone predictably Blair,Cameron and Osborne among your numerous big business allies.While attracting far east ‘investors’ and being part of the global free market economy,mostly to the benefit of China and ,is obviously a corner stone of the remain agenda.In addition to Brit jobs for EU workers either in the form of German imports or free movement of cheap low wage expectation East Euro labour.
muckles:
We can vote out our Tory governments, we can’t vote out EU commissioners.Austerity isn’t a purely UK thing, just go to other parts of Europe to see what it was like, some places reminded me of going to parts of our industrial heartland in the mid to late 80’s. The EU have no more consideration for your average worker than the UK does.
People not turning against the rich, were you asleep during the last Election? Despite the media’s best efforts and predictions of a total collapse a Labour party with it’s most radical leader in a generation they managed to get make enough gains to lead to the Conservatives having a minority government.
And the more the Tories make a hash of Brexit, the more people see the devastation of public services the more people will reject the Tories, but if the Labour party really want to win, it needs to get rid of the Blairites, it needs to get rid of the PC set and get back to it’s grass roots, that is the workers of the UK.Don’t be fooled by the adage of
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend "
The EU is there to promote the same Globalist Free market agenda that the Tories and Blairite Traitors believe, even though it crashed the World economy and led to millions of unemployed workers.
It’s clear that the undemocratic Soviet style Politburo system of government appeals to those like Rjan.It’s also clear their ideology is a self serving one that’s all about furthering its own political interests and not those of Europe’s working class.Also it should be remembered that Labour never did allow the Brexiteers within the Party to get into positions of power.Wilson,Callaghan and Blair all being enthusiastically pro EU.With those on the Leave side being effectively kept out of any position of influence in the form of Shore,Benn and Heffer then or in the form of Hoey now.
It’s also clear that,like Corbyn,Rjan wants to dodge the question of how does he explain the difference between Benn’s/Shore’s/Heffer’s/Hoey’s etc idea of the Labour Party Policy regarding Brexit v that of Wilson’s/Callaghan’s/Blair’s and now Corbyn’s.Also why does he conveniently seem to only want to concentrate on the motives of the Conservative Party regarding Brexit while totally ignoring the option of a Labour Party following the lead of those like Shore and Hoey instead of Callaghan and Blair.The Labour remainers ‘enemy’ in that case clearly being that of the idea of the Nation State and being prepared to ally themselves with anyone including Heath and Thatcher and Cameron and May to further that aim.
On that note don’t be under any illusions that May and Hammond aren’t playing a game of charades and sabotage in alliance with the so called ‘opposition’ including Corbyn.Just as Wilson and Callaghan sold out the Brit working class,to the benefit of the EU,in alliance with Heath and Thatcher.Starting with opening the floodgates to EU imports and the wholesale transfer of UK industry to Europe such as Ford’s operations at Dagenham and GM’s at Luton.Thereby throwing loads of workers on the dole and imposing wage ‘restraint’ on those who kept their jobs.Let alone adding insult to injury in the form of our net contributions to the corrupt EU for the privilege.
