maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?
xamtex:
maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?
Anyone found guilty by a court of dangerous driving maybe?
Or criminal negligence?
Same as any fatal accident/incident.
Police, Coroner, and courts.
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Dr Damon will probably press for charges against the people in the bus queue for being there in the first place!
xamtex:
maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?
That is why driverless/autonomous vehicles won’t happen, because they won’t have a driver to blame when it all goes Pete tong.
And another 10 pages of complete drivel, starting …now.
These automation threads are getting very tired.
What happened to the good old days when truck drivers did more miles in the pub and shagged more birds down the road■■?
AndieHyde:
And another 10 pages of complete drivel, starting …now.These automation threads are getting very tired.
What happened to the good old days when truck drivers did more miles in the pub and shagged more birds down the road■■?
Those days ended when they started tapping away on screens, talking about the good old days[emoji3]
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Groundhog Day !!! Yet another thread on the mythical autonomous industrial revolution, unfortunately it’s progress but it’s a progression that won’t effect us in the foreseeable future, the development alone will take years, the logistical infrastructure that would need reorganising would see companies take on huge costs with the relocation of RDC’s, the road network restructured with sophisticated technology being installed. It won’t be as simple as sticking an artificial intelligent sat nav behind the wheel or a team of gamer geeks sat in a control room armed with joypads like a Gran Tourismo club meeting.
A comment on one thread asked who would control them? What if a returning jihadi takes control and steers them like a wheel bourne drone strike into buildings etc Paranoia springs to mind.
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xamtex:
maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?That is why driverless/autonomous vehicles won’t happen, because they won’t have a driver to blame when it all goes Pete tong.
Please tell me how you can come out with such a ludicrous statement?
It is happening now and there are billions being spent on it because that will be our future.
When you write a post in future please do not write what you want to happen. Do some research and find out the reality of the situation.
How do you account for this then? Just one example of many.
Franglais:
xamtex:
maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?Anyone found guilty by a court of dangerous driving maybe?
Or criminal negligence?Same as any fatal accident/incident.
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At least one intelligent answer.
xamtex:
maybe this has been asked before but ive been thinking about this and i want to know if a driverless car or truck takes out a coach full or a bus queue…who gets jailed for death by dangerous driving■■?
Was going to either ignore this thread or just go ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
But actually you have opened a Autonomous vehicle discussion with a different angle, which seems amazing considering how many times it has come up in the last month.
I think if a truly Autonomous vehicle just goes off the road and takes out a load of people, then if an external factor, such as a tyre blowout, can be ruled out, then the authorities will go after the manufacturer.
There is quite a history of car manufacturers being sued for manufacturing faults in their vehicles, especially in the US, but at least the high profile ones tend to be class actions and the manufacturers knew there was an issue, but decided to do nothing about it or cover it up and obviously you’ll be up against the huge and highly paid legal department of the company.
Although in the same way they don’t always prosecute a driver if they’re involved in a serious accident, if there are mitigating circumstances like falling ill, if a manufacturer can prove they covered all reasonable scenarios in the testing of the vehicle and the circumstances leading up to the incident couldn’t have been foreseen, then would they be found guilty of negligence?
Of course if the vehicle isn’t fully autonomous, then there are times that the driver must be able to take control, so you still have the driver to factor into why the vehicle crashed, then it’s an argument between the driver and manufacturer as to if the driver should have been in control at the time, or more likely whether they had enough time to intervene and take avoiding action between the cars system informing the driver that they had to take control and the accident.
Then you have the situation after the fatal Tesla crash, where the car hit a truck because the sensors couldn’t tell the difference between the background and the side of the truck.
Now the Tesla isn’t a fully autonomous vehicle and the driver who died ignored many warnings to put his hands on the wheel. According to the NTSB one of the factors in the accident was the drivers over reliance on the autopilot system, which meant his attention was not on the road ahead and it seems to be a common problem judging by some of the stuff on social media.
However Tesla have changed their system where the car will stop if the driver ignores the warning and doesn’t put their hands on the wheel and when the auto pilot system is used properly it does seem to do a good job, but watching clips on You Tube where people have shown it avoid incidents, saying it’s “saved their lives”, it seems more they didn’t even attempt to react to a situation that most alert drivers would have and were totally reliant on the Autopilot, but then a lot of drivers are so engrossed in other things when driving, they wouldn’t have reacted and they don’t have cars with Autopilot.
The biggest problem I have with driverless vehicles is who is to blame when an accident happens (and they WILL happen)
The manufacturer of the vehicle?
The company who designed the software?
The poor sap in the “driver” seat whos been expected to stay alert enough to jump into action after doing nothing for 60 miles?
Till that is sorted then driverless vehicles are, in my opinion, a waste of time trying to develop. No good forcing them out there then trying to iron out those types of wrinkles
This was actually raised in parliament earlier this year and a thread posted on here at the time.
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ne … rs-9725714
I don’t actually remember the outcome, but I’d guess that since a driver is needed “in case of emergency”, they would be to blame for any collision.
Although a quick Google brings out some interesting results.
bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34475031
I wonder if they’ll stick to that?
Going off on a tangent a little but this is actually happening right now. These ‘self parking cars’ that are around in large numbers, who is actually responsible if they throw a wobbly and hit something? My neighbour has one but daren’t use the facility! I’m guessing that it will still be down to the driver? 
Pete.
Driver will have perfect defence, because being expected to take over in an instant with the perfect instant reaction, when the whole point of autonomous vehicles is to relieve the driver of driving, is unreasonable.
If the driver is expected to monitor traffic, surface conditions and all the other things a driver does a hundred times a second then the pointless automaton might as well be consigned to the bloody skip and the driver get back to driving again.
They might well be spending £billions on this, eggheads nerds and their suited managers by the coachload have been ■■■■■■■ £billions of other people’s money up the wall since the year dot experimenting and sodding about, ice age ■■■ global warming ■■■ climate change a prime example, playing beats the crap out of a proper days work every time.
I just hope these automatic vehicles will turn on their lights when it rains and kick their own fog lights in when it’s not foggy.
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Wheel Nut:
I just hope these automatic vehicles will turn on their lights when it rains and kick their own fog lights in when it’s not foggy.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No need. With radar etc no need to “see” anything!
Yeah, OK , see and be seen, but you’ll take the point.
And the fog lights won’t be lit so won’t need a kicking