TiredAndEmotional:
Socketset:
C + D licence holders caught over the limit should have jail time - no ifs or buts. Straight off the bat.And their licence revoked until they pass the test again.
That’s discrimination! Everybody who blows over the limit should have to resit their test.
I thought they already did.
Scrub that, it’s only if you cause death whilst drunk you get the automatic ban.
robroy:
harrawaffa:
tommy t:
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfullDunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t articI’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
As said you can not make a judgement on what happened 20 30 yrs ago by today’s standards, and how things are seen today.
Why are you embarrassed on his behalf ?
He told you he was in his 20s and he was just commenting on his experiences then, as a result of his actions, and I certainly did not have him down as boasting, it was just an account of events how they actually happened.If he’s a [zb] as you say, then I suppose that so am I by your reckoning.
On one occasion when I was 18 I was driving back home (over the limit).and actually got stopped to help a copper search for the driver of a crashed car who we thought was lying underneath the car (he wasn’t btw)
Believe it or not this resulted in me getting a letter of thanks from the Chief Constable of ■■■■■■■ Police for aiding one of his officers.…that is how times have changed
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There is no way I would drive over the limit today, but by today’s standards my feet would not touch, there is no way any copper would turn a blind eye to a ■■■■■■ driver.
So I was neither shocked or embarrassed by this guy’s account of things.
If you knowingly got behind the wheel drunk then yes you’re a ■■■■■ Regardless if happened last week or 30 years ago. Regardless if it was socially acceptable. Regardless if your mates done it all the time.
Socketset:
C + D licence holders caught over the limit should have jail time - no ifs or buts. Straight off the bat.And their licence revoked until they pass the test again.
I’d have gone more for…
20 to 35mg = Compulsory one day re-education course
35 to 70mg = Compulsory full week re-education course + 12 months ban + resit of tests (that’s all tests if you wish to regain commercial!)
70mg and above = Jail time, lifetime licence restricted (no retest option)
of course I’ve listed breath limits but in reality they’d need to be tested and translated into the relevant blood test amounts for court purposes
harrawaffa:
If you knowingly got behind the wheel drunk then yes you’re a [zb]. Regardless if happened last week or 30 years ago. Regardless if it was socially acceptable. Regardless if your mates done it all the time.
Ok I apologise for not being such a paragon of virtue as you obviously are.
You must have led a very dull and sheltered life mate if you never done anything wrong when you were 18 that (as myself) you would never even dream of doing today.
It’s all part of growing up, but I bow to your state of perfection anyway for the record.
Don’t apologise Rob, I’m just waiting to see if he loses his jockey licence when he falls off that high horse of his. 
Anyway, I’m running a book on it.
Even odds it’s an EE…
On the mandatory breath testing idea. I don’t have a problem providing a sample. It’s common in other industries, the railways for example. And if random or even daily breath tests stopped one drunk trucker killing someone then that’s worth it.
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172 = 5 x the legal limit, what did he do wait for last orders to be called then start his shift ?
The problem with this is, the driving profession within the U.K. is frowned upon by the muggles, they assume its full of sub standard drivers all hailing from the former eastern block.
I agree that random breath testing be done within companies providing there is reasonable cause same with drug testing, but this happened on a Tuesday so he’s most likely a tramper as no traffic office would hand over keys and if they did they should be held for endangering life, so how do you stop a driver drinking that amount because it’s more than self control.
I’ll just sit and drink my deli2go filter coffee
knight2:
Don’t apologise Rob, I’m just waiting to see if he loses his jockey licence when he falls off that high horse of his.
We’ll have to wait and see eh?
If he does it will be for the first time, as he never did anything wrong when he was younger…apparentlly. 
While a Belgian resident in the 1990s and working for Norbert powder tankers,it was a company requirement then that you could be requested to do a breath test for alcohol at any of their depots.
Gidders:
While a Belgian resident in the 1990s and working for Norbert powder tankers,it was a company requirement then that you could be requested to do a breath test for alcohol at any of their depots.
It’s a legal requirement in France to carry 2 breathalysers, in Germany its illegal to be seen drinking in the cab and if you’re drunk to have the keys in the ignition.
In Belgium it’s common to see drivers pull up at services buy a can of Jupiter from the shop and stand with other drivers chatting before getting back in the truck and driving off
IronEddie:
On the mandatory breath testing idea. I don’t have a problem providing a sample. It’s common in other industries, the railways for example. And if random or even daily breath tests stopped one drunk trucker killing someone then that’s worth it.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
was subject to mandatory testing whilst employed on the railway for 28 years and it never bothered me tbh mainy because i wasnt stupid enough to put my livelyhood at risk by drinking 8 hours before any shift .we could be tested completley at random with an hours notice ,after any saftey related incident ,on being accepted for promotion and if suspected of being under the infleunce on duty the limit was half the driving limit which put some none prescription medecines of our lists (night nurse day nurse etc ) as they would show you as over the limit . any drugs in your system and you were gone no ifs buts or maybes .if you informed your manager before a test that you had an alcohol problem you would be taken off saftey critical duties for two years whilst you went through a company monitored and sponsered rehabilitation course so whilst the company did have a big stick to come down on you they also took a responsible attitude to rehabilitataion where they could . we also had the perils of drugs and alcohol drummed into us at every 8 weekly rules briefing/test and you lot think dcpc is a bind .
so in summery if my present company was to bring in compusery random and accident drugs and alcahol tests along with descent and on going education it wouldnt bother me in the slightest
ps in the final ten years of my service when this was realy ramped up i only ever heard of two people being sacked for being over the limit one who got banned from driving after getting caught on the way to take duty and another who turned in after new year of celebration both of whom were somewhat of the old school where it would of seen a blind eye turned by management as they had done it themselves with the new breed of managment things were very very different
Latique:
IronEddie:
On the mandatory breath testing idea. I don’t have a problem providing a sample. It’s common in other industries, the railways for example. And if random or even daily breath tests stopped one drunk trucker killing someone then that’s worth it.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
was subject to mandatory testing whilst employed on the railway for 28 years and it never bothered me tbh mainy because i wasnt stupid enough to put my livelyhood at risk by drinking 8 hours before any shift .we could be tested completley at random with an hours notice ,after any saftey related incident ,on being accepted for promotion and if suspected of being under the infleunce on duty the limit was half the driving limit which put some none prescription medecines of our lists (night nurse day nurse etc ) as they would show you as over the limit . any drugs in your system and you were gone no ifs buts or maybes .if you informed your manager before a test that you had an alcohol problem you would be taken off saftey critical duties for two years whilst you went through a company monitored and sponsered rehabilitation course so whilst the company did have a big stick to come down on you they also took a responsible attitude to rehabilitataion where they could . we also had the perils of drugs and alcohol drummed into us at every 8 weekly rules briefing/test and you lot think dcpc is a bind .
so in summery if my present company was to bring in compusery random and accident drugs and alcahol tests along with descent and on going education it wouldnt bother me in the slightest
ps in the final ten years of my service when this was realy ramped up i only ever heard of two people being sacked for being over the limit one who got banned from driving after getting caught on the way to take duty and another who turned in after new year of celebration both of whom were somewhat of the old school where it would of seen a blind eye turned by management as they had done it themselves with the new breed of managment things were very very different
I agree with random breath testing as long as there’s a cause of concern, but how do you police employees when they are down the road, being onsite is easy no test no keys scenario
Latique:
IronEddie:
On the mandatory breath testing idea. I don’t have a problem providing a sample. It’s common in other industries, the railways for example. And if random or even daily breath tests stopped one drunk trucker killing someone then that’s worth it.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
was subject to mandatory testing whilst employed on the railway for 28 years and it never bothered me tbh mainy because i wasnt stupid enough to put my livelyhood at risk by drinking 8 hours before any shift .we could be tested completley at random with an hours notice ,after any saftey related incident ,on being accepted for promotion and if suspected of being under the infleunce on duty the limit was half the driving limit which put some none prescription medecines of our lists (night nurse day nurse etc ) as they would show you as over the limit . any drugs in your system and you were gone no ifs buts or maybes .if you informed your manager before a test that you had an alcohol problem you would be taken off saftey critical duties for two years whilst you went through a company monitored and sponsered rehabilitation course so whilst the company did have a big stick to come down on you they also took a responsible attitude to rehabilitataion where they could . we also had the perils of drugs and alcohol drummed into us at every 8 weekly rules briefing/test and you lot think dcpc is a bind .
so in summery if my present company was to bring in compusery random and accident drugs and alcahol tests along with descent and on going education it wouldnt bother me in the slightest
ps in the final ten years of my service when this was realy ramped up i only ever heard of two people being sacked for being over the limit one who got banned from driving after getting caught on the way to take duty and another who turned in after new year of celebration both of whom were somewhat of the old school where it would of seen a blind eye turned by management as they had done it themselves with the new breed of managment things were very very different
Friend of mine is a conductor and what you describe tallies with what I know about his role.
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Grumpy Dad:
Latique:
IronEddie:
On the mandatory breath testing idea. I don’t have a problem providing a sample. It’s common in other industries, the railways for example. And if random or even daily breath tests stopped one drunk trucker killing someone then that’s worth it.Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk
was subject to mandatory testing whilst employed on the railway for 28 years and it never bothered me tbh mainy because i wasnt stupid enough to put my livelyhood at risk by drinking 8 hours before any shift .we could be tested completley at random with an hours notice ,after any saftey related incident ,on being accepted for promotion and if suspected of being under the infleunce on duty the limit was half the driving limit which put some none prescription medecines of our lists (night nurse day nurse etc ) as they would show you as over the limit . any drugs in your system and you were gone no ifs buts or maybes .if you informed your manager before a test that you had an alcohol problem you would be taken off saftey critical duties for two years whilst you went through a company monitored and sponsered rehabilitation course so whilst the company did have a big stick to come down on you they also took a responsible attitude to rehabilitataion where they could . we also had the perils of drugs and alcohol drummed into us at every 8 weekly rules briefing/test and you lot think dcpc is a bind .
so in summery if my present company was to bring in compusery random and accident drugs and alcahol tests along with descent and on going education it wouldnt bother me in the slightest
ps in the final ten years of my service when this was realy ramped up i only ever heard of two people being sacked for being over the limit one who got banned from driving after getting caught on the way to take duty and another who turned in after new year of celebration both of whom were somewhat of the old school where it would of seen a blind eye turned by management as they had done it themselves with the new breed of managment things were very very different
I agree with random breath testing as long as there’s a cause of concern, but how do you police employees when they are down the road, being onsite is easy no test no keys scenario
Think I read in that m1 crash thread about alcolocks in the lorry and require use during the drive.
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I’m going out on a limb here, but these alcolocks are they fail safe? Airline dusters are common in trucks couldn’t a driver release air slowly from one of these to fool the system ?
Grumpy Dad:
I’m going out on a limb here, but these alcolocks are they fail safe? Airline dusters are common in trucks couldn’t a driver release air slowly from one of these to fool the system ?
AlcolockGB’s reaction to the growing problem of drunk truck drivers was secretly filmed…
robroy:
bald bloke:
Look at Kirsty Gallagher she got done blowing 106 .Will I be able to find that on xhamster by any chance??
Beat you to it Dipper.
She can certainly blow me…
(Whats XHamster?.. 
)
Ken.
Grumpy Dad:
I’m going out on a limb here, but these alcolocks are they fail safe? Airline dusters are common in trucks couldn’t a driver release air slowly from one of these to fool the system ?
Yeah I’m sure like most technology if you’re committed enough you will find a way around it.
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the maoster:
As has been said; times and attitudes change. Below is a genuine Government advert from the time…
when that was out,i always made sure i never had number 5…i always kept going till i had 6 or 7 minimum… 