I collect whatever trucks have been serviced/repaired,when I get back off my afternoon shift.
Thin end of the wedge?
commonrail:
Thin end of the wedge?
You sign up to ‘‘any other work that needs carrying out’’ they put you to work in the RDC warehouse or in a supermarket warehouse and stacking shelves what are you going to say/do.
Why would they even need that clause in a job offer.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
One for our Forum National Treasure Carryfast. I know he does seem a bit obsessed with elements of my driving career, namely my time as a ‘young bus driver’. And being a top notch narcissist I never pass up an opportunity to promote myself and my blogTo be fair my issue was along the lines of being told sorry running around Surrey with a multi lift flat/tipper/bulker won’t cut it in the ‘experience’ stakes when trying to move on up the ladder.You know like a drawbar tilt outfit doing international general haulage.This was in the days when a Class 2 included 38t 3 + 2 wagon and drag
A bit like the reason no one wants to drive a hiab wagon around the local houses is because they know they’ll stay on it.Unless their face fits.:idea:
Which I never said myself. I was the one dismissing your elite nonsense and am the one that tells younger drivers to go for it and grab their dreams, which many have done. That if I can anyone can, that my career isn’t unobtainable or hard to get, I’m nothing special, if I can anyone can. You just didn’t try very hard is the long and short of it and you’ve spun this elaborate comical lie about the elite that not a single other person has agreed with. You just let a couple of no’s destroy your life.
And to save you all the typing we’ve all heard it all before you don’t need to repeat it.
commonrail:
I collect whatever trucks have been serviced/repaired,when I get back off my afternoon shift.Thin end of the wedge?
You should REFUSE to do it immediately, telling them they are putting your delicate back at high risk of snapping. And once you have done that, you must create an account on trucknet forum and make 30,000 posts ranting about how you’ve been exploited and denied from earning a living. It’s a national DISGRACE to expect drivers to do other non-delivery driving duties and must be stopped AT ONCE. 
Fuzrat:
tmcassett Wins the internet for the week
I concur!
Carryfast:
You clearly referred to loading unloading duties.
I clearly referred to any other duties which may be required in addition to that.
Why the need to refer to truck washing unless it means something more than would be taken for granted.
So you’ve shifted a few cages and pallets with a pallet truck.
Like washing a unit during/after a shift that ain’t the same thing as ‘‘any other duties as maybe required’’.
It’s not me that’s whingeing about a ‘driver shortage’ because too many potential drivers actually understand what’s being asked of them and that’s anything but driving a truck.
That advert clearly provides scope for drivers to be used as warehouse staff for the majority of a shift.Intentionally so.
Not sure how many times we need to explain the “other duties required” phrase and for you to stop taking it so literally. Its a generic phrase/sentence that gets put in job adverts at these large retailers/logistic companies, those job adverts are often written and put out there by the HR department, the HR department who have nothing to do with how the transport operation is run from a drivers point of view as far as their day to day work goes.
I have nearly 10 years of working at enough of these types of places, you have NONE. I think I have a better grasp on how it goes and what is expected of you. A normal day at those companies I mentioned earlier looks something like this:
- Turn up at work
- Go out and do run/runs (as explained in previous post - unloading at store, bay/tail lift/sit in cab if Morrisons)
-Get back to yard, wash truck (only your own, no need to do the whole fleet!) - Fuel up
- Go home (hopefully you don’t have to walk through the warehouse to get to the car park - you know just in case they get you doing a bit of picking or loading trailers
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Carryfast:
You clearly referred to loading unloading duties.
I clearly referred to any other duties which may be required in addition to that.
Why the need to refer to truck washing unless it means something more than would be taken for granted.
So you’ve shifted a few cages and pallets with a pallet truck.
Like washing a unit during/after a shift that ain’t the same thing as ‘‘any other duties as maybe required’’.
It’s not me that’s whingeing about a ‘driver shortage’ because too many potential drivers actually understand what’s being asked of them and that’s anything but driving a truck.
That advert clearly provides scope for drivers to be used as warehouse staff for the majority of a shift.Intentionally so.
Do you never see how comical you look, relying on your interpretation of job adverts because you haven’t worked in this industry this century to debate with others who are telling you FIRST HAND how the job is and what it entails? Why do you find it so hard to believe people when it comes to the simplest things? You’ll believe any old nonsense and listen to a stream of b/s peddlers when it involves a worldwide conspiracy involving China but believe someone talking about their own experience? Crazy, they clearly expect you to wash lorries for 15 hours a day as they mentioned washing lorries!
switchlogic:
15 hours a day
The irony you say there’s no conspiracy while stating a 15 hour day with a 9/10 hour daily and 90 hour fortnightly driving limit and in laughable denial as to the definition of any other duties which may be required during a shift. 
The industry is now being called out on it by drivers who’d prefer to drive cars for the local garage than trucks.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
I’ve received texts too, but when I attempt to follow it up with a further enquiry, it turned out that the work being offered - was a bit of a deception…“All shifts across all hours 7 days” turned out to be “We want you to WORK all hours across seven days”
In other words, the usual old “Any five from seven” minimum 10 hour shifts, rather than maximum 10 hours, as per the WTD…
The location - was a deception too… “Major client in Aylesford” - means “on the 20/20 estate” (Knowhow C2 work!) rather than the implication it might be Brakes or Waitrose or DPD as was the case in the past…
The clue is the question are they paying C1 rate for C2 ?.That would tell you all you need to know.
There’s also the possibility that some of the firms looking for warehouse labourer/driver ( 4 hours driving 9 hours + warehouse for example ) will sub out the transport side of the job while holding out for the mugs they want to fill the role.If not they’ll ‘promote’ their warehouse staff to warehouseman/driver.
The ones working for the subbies will obviously be immune from the scam and won’t notice anything ( while their job lasts ).
I’ve seen many a depot offering a so-called “Warehouse to Wheels” thing, but I’ve yet to see a single warehouse person I’ve ever met - actually go on to become a driver of anything larger than a puddle jumper, or tail lift 7.5t… Does ANY firm train up car licence holders to become C2 and C1 drivers any more?
Harry Monk:
Had four text messages today from the agency (who I haven’t done a day’s work for for 16 months) all offering Class 1 work at £15 per hour PAYE for weekday day work. When I was on for them, £11.50 an hour was about the normal rate and £13 was the best I got.
What’s the work though?
Not regular supermarket stuff, I’d guess, but multidrop tail lift deliveries, likely around residential address and urban centers where you get told to ignore the 7.5t signs, - until you run up against one of these…
(The narrow gap, not the Mosque btw)
…Or flyovers with the same restriction that even some PLG drivers seem to have some issues negotiating…
Winseer:
…Or flyovers with the same restriction that even some PLG drivers seem to have some issues negotiating…
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Old jokes revisited…
Wife on phone to husband: I can’t drive anymore, I’ve cracked the driver’s side mirror
Husband: Tape your make-up mirror over the top of the cracked one to get you back home.
Wife: I can’t
Husband: why not?
Wife: The car’s lying on it.
…I’ll get my coat.
Winseer:
Harry Monk:
Had four text messages today from the agency (who I haven’t done a day’s work for for 16 months) all offering Class 1 work at £15 per hour PAYE for weekday day work. When I was on for them, £11.50 an hour was about the normal rate and £13 was the best I got.What’s the work though?
Not regular supermarket stuff, I’d guess, but multidrop tail lift deliveries, likely around residential address and urban centers where you get told to ignore the 7.5t signs, - until you run up against one of these…
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(The narrow gap, not the Mosque btw)…Or flyovers with the same restriction that even some PLG drivers seem to have some issues negotiating…
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Winseer is doing what I’ll now call ‘doing a Carryfast’. I.e inventing an entire scenario with a job he’s invented based on fact someone else got a text from an agency.
You know there’s a more common name for these that’s easier to type?
Winseer:
I’ve seen many a depot offering a so-called “Warehouse to Wheels” thing, but I’ve yet to see a single warehouse person I’ve ever met - actually go on to become a driver of anything larger than a puddle jumper, or tail lift 7.5t… Does ANY firm train up car licence holders to become C2 and C1 drivers any more?
Yes. Four young English lads where I work in fact. Three of them managed to rack up more hits than the Beatles in six short months and would quite frankly struggle to negotiate a coffee cup from the machine without spilling it and are now working back in the Coldstore, and a fourth who has taken to it like a duck to water.
Yep, We have had at least half a dozen, maybe even a dozen, come through the “Warehouse to Wheels” Driving apprenticeship whatever you want to call it scheme. Been on the road for about a year now. All driving Artic deckers. All doing pretty well, couple of minor knocks but nothing horrendous. Got another half dozen doing their tests now the test centres a reopening, Thats just 1 depot.
My lot are starting up a training school, not just to convert existing class two to class one, but also to train people to class two from car licence.
As its my lot doing it I can only assume there’s some financial benefit in it somewhere.
Winseer:
Harry Monk:
Had four text messages today from the agency (who I haven’t done a day’s work for for 16 months) all offering Class 1 work at £15 per hour PAYE for weekday day work. When I was on for them, £11.50 an hour was about the normal rate and £13 was the best I got.What’s the work though?
Not regular supermarket stuff, I’d guess, but multidrop tail lift deliveries, likely around residential address and urban centers
^ That and could also even be class 2 ( 3 ) work at that.Class 1 rate isn’t any guarantee of class 1 work.It’s quite possible that it’s actually a higher class 1 rate for class 2 or even 7.5t work.Because no one wants it.
When even the class 1 ‘regular supermarket stuff’ contains an ‘‘any other duties which maybe required’’ clause for their own driver recruitment all bets are off.
The truth is there is a shortage of warehouse etc etc labour and there’s a shortage of people willing to be scammed at the point of recruitment on that basis.
While if there is any shortage of ‘drivers’ it’s in the usual local urban distribution sectors and increasingly those who realise that there are no upsides at all to so called ‘night trunking’ now. 
toonsy:
My lot are starting up a training school, not just to convert existing class two to class one, but also to train people to class two from car licence.As its my lot doing it I can only assume there’s some financial benefit in it somewhere.
Yep seen as more likely to swallow a contract which says any other type of work which may be required.Supermarket check out today warehouse tomorrow oh and wash a few trucks before they finish.
Only in your head mate, only in yours.
the maoster:
Only in your head mate, only in yours.
Obviously many potential new recruits to the industry are bright enough to see, what the privileged, complacent elite, who are lucky enough to still be doing decent work and who get and expect automatic first choice of it, don’t see ( yet ).