driver shortage

[stanley_knife]

Themoocher:
You see it yourself on the road 90% of drivers I see are in there 50s.
You very very rarely see young British lads driving.

If there is one part of the industry’s argument that holds water it’s this. It is true that there are less jumping on at the start than are falling off at the end but the industry’s answer is more of the same.

Better t’s and c’s and rates of pay won’t appear until rates rise for the job; rates won’t raise until trailers are stood and goods aren’t being delivered. That day is a long way off!

[evil8beezle]

Probably no shortage of drivers, but I think drivers are starting to have better options now on who and where they want to work. As a result, maybe less attractive companies are starting to struggle to retain good staff. That’s what I’d like to think, but I could be wrong…

[themoocher]

Evil8Beezle:
Probably no shortage of drivers, but I think drivers are starting to have better options now on who and where they want to work. As a result, maybe less attractive companies are starting to struggle to retain good staff. That’s what I’d like to think, but I could be wrong…

But what your saying sounds like something is going break.
If drivers have got loads of options where to work there must be a shortage in the said companies.
Or there would be no jobs available.

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

I can see it everyday on the road.
You very rarely see British lads in there 20s driving trucks.
There is a reason why no young lads wanna do the job.

[stanley_knife]

And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

[evil8beezle]

Themoocher:
But what your saying sounds like something is going break.

Yeah, probably in the way of lots of bent metal and fractured fiberglass!
When I say there probably isn’t a shortage of drivers, I’m talking about the ones that aren’t worth a light and normally would normally struggle to get work when their reputation catches up with them. I think agencies do negate this, as a crap driver can move on leaving the wreckage behind them, but even than a driver will run out of options when they have gone through all the firms in their area.
So what I’m saying is that even these drivers are not struggling for work…

[big_truck]

Minger:
Have said before,I am earning £7.80 an hour nights

You need your head looked at!!!

What part of the country you live in■■?
Worst hourly rate I know if in NI is a bulk tipper firm on £7.50hr days but time and a half kicks in after 40hrs.[emoji52]
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[james_the_cat]

pish:
, when inevitably the trucks will drive themselves by A.I…

Judging by some of the standards I’ve seen this week, a lot of trucks are currently driven by no intelligence so artificial intelligence will be a step up.

[themoocher]

Evil8Beezle:

Themoocher:
But what your saying sounds like something is going break.

Yeah, probably in the way of lots of bent metal and fractured fiberglass!
When I say there probably isn’t a shortage of drivers, I’m talking about the ones that aren’t worth a light and normally would normally struggle to get work when their reputation catches up with them. I think agencies do negate this, as a crap driver can move on leaving the wreckage behind them, but even than a driver will run out of options when they have gone through all the firms in their area.
So what I’m saying is that even these drivers are not struggling for work…

Yes, exactly the point I’m trying to make
Why are these useless drivers getting jobs?
Firms must be despirate for bums on seats to get wheels rolling.
Which says to me they can’t get drivers.
I’m not saying something is going happen today or this weekend but sooner or later things are going to change.

I worked for local haulage company last year for a year full time employed. The company run 6 arctics, 6 22 tonne and few 7.5. They were short two arctic drivers nearly the full year.
Now 3 of the lads on 22 ton had worked there over 10 years. He wouldn’t pay for them todo an C+E test.
I just don’t see the logic in it. You know the guys are loyal and ain’t going anywhere but they don’t wanna pay for the training

[evil8beezle]

The way I see it, wages won’t rise as firms will instead choose to employ morons, and will continue to do so until they eventually work out it’s not economical, or they run out of plebs. So while I think opportunities to move on hopefully to better things, on the whole the average wage won’t change much as lots of firms will continue to offer crap money and just end up with a lower caliber of driver for the money.

So minger who says he’s on under £8 an hour, probably won’t be getting a pay rise from his firm anytime soon, but if he starts looking around he may find something better that previously wasn’t an option a while back.

As others have said, only when trucks stand idle and shelves are left empty will the industry as a whole see a wage rise!

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
On that note no when ‘reputation’ is a case of ‘experienced’ drivers,reserving the best type of work for/among themselves,at the expense of new drivers with no experience being left with all the zb,I don’t approve of that now in retirement.Just as when I was a naive new driver having suddenly realised that situation of unwarranted cronyism and elitism,which affects the industry to an unfair disproportionate degree,in that regard.Which is why you’ll find numerous posts of mine advising new drivers not to be naive enough to listen to the idea of start at the bottom on zb work that ‘experienced’ drivers don’t want.Because in many cases to a greater or lesser degree that’s then where they’ll stay having got the ‘reputation’ as a mug.

Experience and reputation have to count for something, or what is the point, other than personal pride, in doing the job properly.
We all know you start at the bottom and work up, even as an experienced driver going to a new employer. We all know cliques form, that’s just a part of life, granted I too rail against the same favoured faces getting the cream work all the while, but that is a management issue, and its not unique to the transport industry.

When the definition of ‘start at the bottom’ means new C + E drivers being lumbered with zb 7.5 and 18 tonner multi drop etc type work to supposedly get ‘experience’.Let alone then being told they have to stay there because they’ve obviously then still got no ‘experience’ in the work they’ve entered the industry to do.Let alone the situation where some with less time in the job get a luckier break than others thereby creating the situation of an arbitrary inconsistent career progression situation for some v others,that’s a problem.

While the idea of having to go back to the bottom,when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer,actually contradicts the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work.

On that note why would anyone be stupid enough to throw away a load of service time with a reliable employer on UK trunking,having been offered a job on international with a new employer,when that new employer suddenly changes that job offer to sorry you’ll have to start on UK work only with the bs carrot of a so called possibility of international in the future,because you’ve got no international ‘experience’,for example.

The fact is, no one has the right to drive what they are licenced to drive, you have to find an employer willing to give you the keys, if you are a newbie with un proven record it will be harder, than an experienced old hand to find that opening. If that means you have to drive vehicles in a lower category than what you hold ie c+e driver driving c or 7.5t, then so be it to get your foot in the door, life ■■■■■ deal with it, the rest of us did

How does having to go back to the bottom, when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer, contradict the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work. A new employer can see your past employment record, but he will more often than not want to see how you go for a month or 2, before he puts you on to any of his better contracts, the last thing he would want to do is screw up cream work because a new employed experienced driver, turns out to be a knob

Why wouldn’t a driver who wished to gain experience at a different type of driving work, not take the chance to gain that with a new employer, even if that meant throwing away a shed load of service. The fact that they may well have to first prove themselves to their new employer on work that they are more familiar with, may well work to the drivers favour in the long run, as in, several months keeping the record straight(timed deliveries no damage positive feed back from other drivers and customers etc) on familiar ground, will build the driver a bank of good will with his new boss and colleagues that he will be able to draw on as he needs it on unfamiliar work

[eddie_snax]

Themoocher:
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Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

[carryfast]

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
When the definition of ‘start at the bottom’ means new C + E drivers being lumbered with zb 7.5 and 18 tonner multi drop etc type work to supposedly get ‘experience’.Let alone then being told they have to stay there because they’ve obviously then still got no ‘experience’ in the work they’ve entered the industry to do.Let alone the situation where some with less time in the job get a luckier break than others thereby creating the situation of an arbitrary inconsistent career progression situation for some v others,that’s a problem.

While the idea of having to go back to the bottom,when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer,actually contradicts the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work.

On that note why would anyone be stupid enough to throw away a load of service time with a reliable employer on UK trunking,having been offered a job on international with a new employer,when that new employer suddenly changes that job offer to sorry you’ll have to start on UK work only with the bs carrot of a so called possibility of international in the future,because you’ve got no international ‘experience’,for example.

The fact is, no one has the right to drive what they are licenced to drive, you have to find an employer willing to give you the keys, if you are a newbie with un proven record it will be harder, than an experienced old hand to find that opening. If that means you have to drive vehicles in a lower category than what you hold ie c+e driver driving c or 7.5t, then so be it to get your foot in the door, life ■■■■■ deal with it, the rest of us did

How does having to go back to the bottom, when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer, contradict the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work. A new employer can see your past employment record, but he will more often than not want to see how you go for a month or 2, before he puts you on to any of his better contracts, the last thing he would want to do is screw up cream work because a new employed experienced driver, turns out to be a knob

Why wouldn’t a driver who wished to gain experience at a different type of driving work, not take the chance to gain that with a new employer, even if that meant throwing away a shed load of service. The fact that they may well have to first prove themselves to their new employer on work that they are more familiar with, may well work to the drivers favour in the long run, as in, several months keeping the record straight(timed deliveries no damage positive feed back from other drivers and customers etc) on familiar ground, will build the driver a bank of good will with his new boss and colleagues that he will be able to draw on as he needs it on unfamiliar work

I think that says everything about some of the reasoning why new drivers can’t be bothered with the industry.On that note it seems strange as to how every 7.5 tonner or four wheeler multi drop or building deliveries or at best class 1 super market distribution or night trunking jobs are all immune from the supposed potential catastrophic mistakes and zb ups caused by ‘inexperienced’ drivers.But as soon as something much better is mentioned then only ‘experienced’ drivers can handle the job.

So you’re saying it’s ok that even someone having spent at least 5 years + ‘at the bottom’ working with 4 and 6 wheelers then plenty more years on class 1 trunking with a clean record on all.Then actually ‘gets offered’ a job on international work on that basis.Having been called in to undergo and satisfied the employer’s assessment drive.In all cases regarding the international running side and depot of the firm in question.Then shortly before the start date gets a call that says sorry we can’t do that.You’re now doing UK only based at Northampton not international based at Dover.To which my reply was shove it thank zb I thought the offer was too good to be true and I hadn’t handed my notice in at that point.

On that note it would be interesting to hear your possible explanation as to the original job offer and the subsequent withdrawal and change in it.My theory was either an employer deliberately using the carrot of its international work to con an experienced driver with an obvious good record,into throwing away years of service time,to make a pointless change of employer for no gain.

Or possibly an argument between the guvnor who offered the job and a superior regards typical bs elitist,face fits,pecking order,politics.Of the type which continues to infest the industry and which instead of continuing to be in denial about should admit and be ashamed of.

Having said that bearing in mind the time delay between the job offer and subsequent ‘change’ in it my bet is probably the former.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:

Themoocher:
[

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

At which point you’ll be told to take your pick of non EU ‘commonwealth’ labour.Oh wait we’ve already got at least 2nd generations from numerous parts of that to choose from already.

Bearing in mind the Ozzies and Canadians and New Zealanders aren’t going to be rushing to come here for ‘some’ reason.Probably not just because the wages are no good but more because they don’t want to end up driving a rigid on local multi drop or building deliveries for the rest of their careers.

[themoocher]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Themoocher:
[

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

At which point you’ll be told to take your pick of non EU ‘commonwealth’ labour.Oh wait we’ve already got at least 2nd generations from numerous parts of that to choose from already.

Bearing in mind the Ozzies and Canadians and New Zealanders aren’t going to be rushing to come here for ‘some’ reason.Probably not just because the wages are no good but more because they don’t want to end up driving a rigid on local multi drop or building deliveries for the rest of their careers.

No offence. Hope no one takes offence as I’m not been racist in anyway.
But I could count how many black or Asian people I’ve seen behind the wheel in one hand.

[big_truck]

Themoocher:

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Themoocher:
[

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

At which point you’ll be told to take your pick of non EU ‘commonwealth’ labour.Oh wait we’ve already got at least 2nd generations from numerous parts of that to choose from already.

Bearing in mind the Ozzies and Canadians and New Zealanders aren’t going to be rushing to come here for ‘some’ reason.Probably not just because the wages are no good but more because they don’t want to end up driving a rigid on local multi drop or building deliveries for the rest of their careers. [emoji38] [emoji38]

No offence. Hope no one takes offence as I’m not been racist in anyway.
But I could count how many black or Asian people I’ve seen behind the wheel in one hand.

If you check out the ex-pats forum think you’ll find most of the Asians want to Canada!!![emoji28]
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[franglais]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Themoocher:
[

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

At which point you’ll be told to take your pick of non EU ‘commonwealth’ labour.Oh wait we’ve already got at least 2nd generations from numerous parts of that to choose from already.

Bearing in mind the Ozzies and Canadians and New Zealanders aren’t going to be rushing to come here for ‘some’ reason.Probably not just because the wages are no good but more because they don’t want to end up driving a rigid on local multi drop or building deliveries for the rest of their careers.

“Logistics” operators who rely on “cheap eastern european drivers” will apply for special exemptions as, it seems, farmers do when wanting cheap labour in their fields. If a post brexit UK puts up stronger barriers against east euroland then dont worry, as part of negotiating better trade deals with emerging economies, (India, China, Brazil), we could allow their nationals easier access to visas and work permits. We dont want our farmers and logistics operators to have to become uncompetitive thro paying excessive wages do we?

[yt03]

Conor:

Harry Monk:

Minger:
Have said before,I am earning £7.80 an hour nights

That is absolutely appalling.

And to give you an indication of how appalling it is my lad who is 21 and just passed his HGV test last week started his first job driving this week doing Class 2 for £8/hr on days doing pallet network deliveries for a company in East Yorks with a wage rise once he’s done a couple of months.

Congratulations to your lad Conor on passing his test! I’ve said all along I won’t allow my lad to follow my foot steps and I’ll do my hardest to keep him away from wagons… They isn’t any great money to be had around here’ even I’ve started to look at re training!

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
When the definition of ‘start at the bottom’ means new C + E drivers being lumbered with zb 7.5 and 18 tonner multi drop etc type work to supposedly get ‘experience’.Let alone then being told they have to stay there because they’ve obviously then still got no ‘experience’ in the work they’ve entered the industry to do.Let alone the situation where some with less time in the job get a luckier break than others thereby creating the situation of an arbitrary inconsistent career progression situation for some v others,that’s a problem.

While the idea of having to go back to the bottom,when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer,actually contradicts the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work.

On that note why would anyone be stupid enough to throw away a load of service time with a reliable employer on UK trunking,having been offered a job on international with a new employer,when that new employer suddenly changes that job offer to sorry you’ll have to start on UK work only with the bs carrot of a so called possibility of international in the future,because you’ve got no international ‘experience’,for example.

The fact is, no one has the right to drive what they are licenced to drive, you have to find an employer willing to give you the keys, if you are a newbie with un proven record it will be harder, than an experienced old hand to find that opening. If that means you have to drive vehicles in a lower category than what you hold ie c+e driver driving c or 7.5t, then so be it to get your foot in the door, life ■■■■■ deal with it, the rest of us did

How does having to go back to the bottom, when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer, contradict the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work. A new employer can see your past employment record, but he will more often than not want to see how you go for a month or 2, before he puts you on to any of his better contracts, the last thing he would want to do is screw up cream work because a new employed experienced driver, turns out to be a knob

Why wouldn’t a driver who wished to gain experience at a different type of driving work, not take the chance to gain that with a new employer, even if that meant throwing away a shed load of service. The fact that they may well have to first prove themselves to their new employer on work that they are more familiar with, may well work to the drivers favour in the long run, as in, several months keeping the record straight(timed deliveries no damage positive feed back from other drivers and customers etc) on familiar ground, will build the driver a bank of good will with his new boss and colleagues that he will be able to draw on as he needs it on unfamiliar work

I think that says everything about some of the reasoning why new drivers can’t be bothered with the industry.On that note it seems strange as to how every 7.5 tonner or four wheeler multi drop or building deliveries or at best class 1 super market distribution or night trunking jobs are all immune from the supposed potential catastrophic mistakes and zb ups caused by ‘inexperienced’ drivers.But as soon as something much better is mentioned then only ‘experienced’ drivers can handle the job.

So you’re saying it’s ok that even someone having spent at least 5 years + ‘at the bottom’ working with 4 and 6 wheelers then plenty more years on class 1 trunking with a clean record on all.Then actually ‘gets offered’ a job on international work on that basis.Having been called in to undergo and satisfied the employer’s assessment drive.In all cases regarding the international running side and depot of the firm in question.Then shortly before the start date gets a call that says sorry we can’t do that.You’re now doing UK only based at Northampton not international based at Dover.To which my reply was shove it thank zb I thought the offer was too good to be true and I hadn’t handed my notice in at that point.

On that note it would be interesting to hear your possible explanation as to the original job offer and the subsequent withdrawal and change in it.My theory was either an employer deliberately using the carrot of its international work to con an experienced driver with an obvious good record,into throwing away years of service time,to make a pointless change of employer for no gain.

Or possibly an argument between the guvnor who offered the job and a superior regards typical bs elitist,face fits,pecking order,politics.Of the type which continues to infest the industry and which instead of continuing to be in denial about should admit and be ashamed of.

Having said that bearing in mind the time delay between the job offer and subsequent ‘change’ in it my bet is probably the former.

It would appear that your answer to the driver shortage, is to offer every new licence holder, or experienced driver changing haulage type, the best T&C’s on the fleet, regardless of what the current experienced and committed workforce might think, so thats going to work well isn’t it, cue mass defection of present and proven employees undermined by a lack of respect from their employer

[franglais]

eddie snax:

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Carryfast:
When the definition of ‘start at the bottom’ means new C + E drivers being lumbered with zb 7.5 and 18 tonner multi drop etc type work to supposedly get ‘experience’.Let alone then being told they have to stay there because they’ve obviously then still got no ‘experience’ in the work they’ve entered the industry to do.Let alone the situation where some with less time in the job get a luckier break than others thereby creating the situation of an arbitrary inconsistent career progression situation for some v others,that’s a problem.

While the idea of having to go back to the bottom,when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer,actually contradicts the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work.

On that note why would anyone be stupid enough to throw away a load of service time with a reliable employer on UK trunking,having been offered a job on international with a new employer,when that new employer suddenly changes that job offer to sorry you’ll have to start on UK work only with the bs carrot of a so called possibility of international in the future,because you’ve got no international ‘experience’,for example.

The fact is, no one has the right to drive what they are licenced to drive, you have to find an employer willing to give you the keys, if you are a newbie with un proven record it will be harder, than an experienced old hand to find that opening. If that means you have to drive vehicles in a lower category than what you hold ie c+e driver driving c or 7.5t, then so be it to get your foot in the door, life ■■■■■ deal with it, the rest of us did

How does having to go back to the bottom, when trying to move up the ladder with a new employer, contradict the statement concerning favoured faces getting cream work. A new employer can see your past employment record, but he will more often than not want to see how you go for a month or 2, before he puts you on to any of his better contracts, the last thing he would want to do is screw up cream work because a new employed experienced driver, turns out to be a knob

Why wouldn’t a driver who wished to gain experience at a different type of driving work, not take the chance to gain that with a new employer, even if that meant throwing away a shed load of service. The fact that they may well have to first prove themselves to their new employer on work that they are more familiar with, may well work to the drivers favour in the long run, as in, several months keeping the record straight(timed deliveries no damage positive feed back from other drivers and customers etc) on familiar ground, will build the driver a bank of good will with his new boss and colleagues that he will be able to draw on as he needs it on unfamiliar work

I think that says everything about some of the reasoning why new drivers can’t be bothered with the industry.On that note it seems strange as to how every 7.5 tonner or four wheeler multi drop or building deliveries or at best class 1 super market distribution or night trunking jobs are all immune from the supposed potential catastrophic mistakes and zb ups caused by ‘inexperienced’ drivers.But as soon as something much better is mentioned then only ‘experienced’ drivers can handle the job.

So you’re saying it’s ok that even someone having spent at least 5 years + ‘at the bottom’ working with 4 and 6 wheelers then plenty more years on class 1 trunking with a clean record on all.Then actually ‘gets offered’ a job on international work on that basis.Having been called in to undergo and satisfied the employer’s assessment drive.In all cases regarding the international running side and depot of the firm in question.Then shortly before the start date gets a call that says sorry we can’t do that.You’re now doing UK only based at Northampton not international based at Dover.To which my reply was shove it thank zb I thought the offer was too good to be true and I hadn’t handed my notice in at that point.

On that note it would be interesting to hear your possible explanation as to the original job offer and the subsequent withdrawal and change in it.My theory was either an employer deliberately using the carrot of its international work to con an experienced driver with an obvious good record,into throwing away years of service time,to make a pointless change of employer for no gain.

Or possibly an argument between the guvnor who offered the job and a superior regards typical bs elitist,face fits,pecking order,politics.Of the type which continues to infest the industry and which instead of continuing to be in denial about should admit and be ashamed of.

Having said that bearing in mind the time delay between the job offer and subsequent ‘change’ in it my bet is probably the former.

It would appear that your answer to the driver shortage, is to offer every new licence holder, or experienced driver changing haulage type, the best T&C’s on the fleet, regardless of what the current experienced and committed workforce might think, so thats going to work well isn’t it, cue mass defection of present and proven employees undermined by a lack of respect from their employer

Good point Eddie, offer all newbies a “flag ship” truck. Thatll smooth out the industrial relations everywhere! As some big companies offer their new chairmen "golden handshakes" there is precedence for this. And, looking at Southern Health and Katrina Percy, if they crash their new truck they can be moved across where theyll do less harm, with no wage loss.

[muckles]

Carryfast:

eddie snax:

Themoocher:
[

Most companies just can’t get decent drivers that want to work for what there offering.
As soon as the EE work force dries up I think the industry will crumble.
The whole logistics chain not just the driving side of things.

.

If you think that Brexit is going to stop East Europeans coming here to work in the Logistics industry, then I think you aint listening right. What will be stopped will be uncontrolled migration from the EU approx 180000 last year, in favour of the more controlled migration from the rest of the World approx 180000 last year. The logistics Industry will claim a need for workers, and which ever colour of government is in power will roll over with work permits and VISA’s

Stanley Knife:
And if you and I, and a hell of a lot more on here, can see that moocher why can’t the industry* see it? Or maybe they can and don’t like the answer.

• By industry I mean the whole supply chain.

They can, and are quite happy with the answer as outlined above

At which point you’ll be told to take your pick of non EU ‘commonwealth’ labour.Oh wait we’ve already got at least 2nd generations from numerous parts of that to choose from already.

Bearing in mind the Ozzies and Canadians and New Zealanders aren’t going to be rushing to come here for ‘some’ reason.Probably not just because the wages are no good but more because they don’t want to end up driving a rigid on local multi drop or building deliveries for the rest of their careers.

So you’re responsible for the Brexit negotiations and how the Country will be run after we leave the EU now?