albion:
I sometimes think CF, that whatever anyone says, you will filter through your own perspective so that it ‘proves’ what you have been saying is correct.
We were looking for a driver, knew this young lad who was doing a few days here and there for another haulier, he was hard working and pleasant, just looking for a break in life and we had a job. Saves us advertising and it’s worked out OK ( so far). Then he had a mate, he came and had an interview and an assessment and he seemed decent and that’s the way it worked. All but two of my drivers have come here because they were a brother/mate neighbour and they are all ages, so it’s a mix of giving old timers and newbies a look in - seems about as fair as you can do.
It’s a case of your face fitting in so far as you can drive a truck, have a pleasant personality ( double manning - anyone fancy a week with CF and his monologues ?) and some common sense. Because we double man a lot of the time, I don’t put new starts out on their own so youthful inexperience doesn’t worry me as much as if it were single-manned and very few people have experience of what we do, so in many ways, it’s starting from scratch anyway.
So don’t you think that example more or less matches the example which I referred to.In the case of a guvnor possibly deciding to offer me a job on a similar basis although actually being impressed enough with my work history and attitude to say just get on with a single manned international job,not surprising bearing in mind that I was in my 30’s at that point not mid 20’s.As opposed to ES’s ideas which would have over turned the decision in both cases.On that note no I don’t totally agree that a regime which gives more chance to ‘friends’ of others on the firm,than anyone else,is exactly fair regarding the issues which I’m referring to in the industry.
While assuming that the guvnor in question was just trying to fill a less attractive UK role,by conning an experienced UK driver into leaving a stable position,with the carrot of a non existent international work opporutunity,that obviously just adds to the issues.
Dipper_Dave:
As opposed to a strong union and a race to the poverty/picket line…
Like low paid train drivers working 15 hour shifts for less than £10 per hour you mean.
That’s it CF ignore the nose on your face, just cherry pick and don’t mention the minors.
Oh you have? What a surprise…
Some say that the fires where she is in hell are being stoked by coal being dug by the souls of old long gone miners in heaven.
While don’t blame me if you can’t see the irony of having to use mass picketing to try to compensate for the lack of solidarity which lost them the fight.
albion:
I sometimes think CF, that whatever anyone says, you will filter through your own perspective so that it ‘proves’ what you have been saying is correct.
We were looking for a driver, knew this young lad who was doing a few days here and there for another haulier, he was hard working and pleasant, just looking for a break in life and we had a job. Saves us advertising and it’s worked out OK ( so far). Then he had a mate, he came and had an interview and an assessment and he seemed decent and that’s the way it worked. All but two of my drivers have come here because they were a brother/mate neighbour and they are all ages, so it’s a mix of giving old timers and newbies a look in - seems about as fair as you can do.
It’s a case of your face fitting in so far as you can drive a truck, have a pleasant personality ( double manning - anyone fancy a week with CF and his monologues ?) and some common sense. Because we double man a lot of the time, I don’t put new starts out on their own so youthful inexperience doesn’t worry me as much as if it were single-manned and very few people have experience of what we do, so in many ways, it’s starting from scratch anyway.
So don’t you think that example more or less matches the example which I referred to.In the case of a guvnor possibly deciding to offer me a job on a similar basis although actually being impressed enough with my work history and attitude to say just get on with a single manned international job,not surprising bearing in mind that I was in my 30’s at that point not mid 20’s.As opposed to ES’s ideas which would have over turned the decision in both cases.On that note no I don’t totally agree that a regime which gives more chance to ‘friends’ of others on the firm,than anyone else,is exactly fair regarding the issues which I’m referring to in the industry.
While assuming that the guvnor in question was just trying to fill a less attractive UK role,by conning an experienced UK driver into leaving a stable position,with the carrot of a non existent international work opporutunity,that obviously just adds to the issues.
TBH, CF, I tend to skim read a chunk of your posts. Concise is my preference. Wether it’s fairer to give someone a job by recommendation or not, I neither know nor care. End of day some one has got a job that wanted a job. On the rare occasion in the past when we have advertised, you end up having to talk to a load of people with the end result as taking a recommendation, which is both parties taking a leap of faith. Plus point for us is saving time and money. It’s not favouratism, it’s just frankly us taking the path of least resistance, we can be quite lazy at times
albion:
TBH, CF, I tend to skim read a chunk of your posts. Concise is my preference. Wether it’s fairer to give someone a job by recommendation or not, I neither know nor care. End of day some one has got a job that wanted a job. On the rare occasion in the past when we have advertised, you end up having to talk to a load of people with the end result as taking a recommendation, which is both parties taking a leap of faith. Plus point for us is saving time and money. It’s not favouratism, it’s just frankly us taking the path of least resistance, we can be quite lazy at times
I just go by the idea of putting as much detail as I think is needed in a post to qualify the points contained within it.IE there’s not much point in saying something without trying to get across the reasoning for it.
As for the issue of recruitment by preference for those known to existing employees.I was specifically really referring to the issue of employers at least giving those who’ve shown the initiative and enthusiasm to cold call about potential vacancies an equal chance not particularly advertise. IE such as the example of cold calling resulting in a so called promise of being classed as a ‘waiting list’ application.Then those previous applications being sidelined and/or ignored in favour of people known to existing employees if/when any vacancies actually arise.In which case I’d guess that fits the description of cronyism.Assuming that any promise of an application being put on a ‘waiting list’ is even true in that case anyway.
As for your heroine Maggie she’s in hell where she belongs.
Bit harsh but I’ve heard she is sorting the demon union out, caused havoc when legion slipped out…
The word is that she was given an offer she couldn’t refuse when she arrived at the burning gates.Hell is a closed shop and she had to join the united demons union or UDU for short.
I’ve always found that when dealing with management/bosses, it’s always better to let them have the last word, whether it’s right or wrong.
Ever thought of that CF?
?) and some common sense. Because we double man a lot of the time, I don’t put new starts out on their own so youthful inexperience doesn’t worry me as much as if it were single-manned and very few people have experience of what we do, so in many ways, it’s starting from scratch anyway.
