Rjan:
Carryfast:
Rjan:
That doesn’t solve the problem of local workers being displaced by more productive migrant workers. I’m not sure exactly what the answer is to that - the cause of the inequalities in wages (which motivates migration) was caused by having closed borders in the first place, and it will eventually equalise as borders fall and the EU becomes politically united, so it won’t be a problem forever. The mentality of closed borders also have their own costs (such as sending youth to be killed in the wars it creates every now and again).
The idea that Brit workers aren’t as ‘productive’ as immigrant ones is as much bs as the idea that most of the arguments and wars throughout history aren’t because of federalism trying to trample all over the idea of self determination and the nation state.Whether it be Lincoln’s war of aggression against the Confederate States,or Churchill’s and Austrian Empire wars against Irish and Slavic nationalism,or Hitler trying to establish a Fourth Reich in which the German government ruled all of Europe and wherever else it could get.On that note there’s no reason to think that Merkel’s Socialist dreams of a Federal Europe won’t create a similar flash point sooner or later in that regard. 
I’m not saying no local worker is more inherently productive than a migrant worker.
What I’m saying is that the average local worker, in the sorts of manual-ish occupations apparently favoured by migrants, will often want to be on better pay and conditions for the same work effort (and the local worker ultimately needs better pay and conditions than a temporary migrant).
For the employer offering rock bottom wages, migrants who have chosen to be here and must have at least some gumption and go in them, are often a better punt than a local worker who has no other choice and who, if he has any gumption and go, certainly isn’t going to apply himself for those sorts of slave rates.
If we had a higher NMW, many Brits would be better motivated to do those jobs and there probably wouldn’t be such a preference for migrant workers, but as it stands migrants will work hard at rates that Brits will not, and if you don’t like that then you abolish the free market in wages and impose higher minimum rates.
As for “Lincoln’s war of aggression” against the confederates, if I remember correctly that was a war against slavery. In it’s day, the nation state was the progressive alternative to backward provincialism. Today the nation state is backwardness (companies are already no longer national), the future is political globalisation (so that, for example, multinationals like Google can be forced to pay tax, instead of shopping around competing nation states for the lowest, or zero, tax rates).
Lincoln wanted to impose a new economy upon the unwilling southern states. The equivalent thing in 21st century Britain would be if David Cameron announced that the minimum wage is being increased to £20ph Employers would have to let staff go because they can’t afford to pay it - causing much resentment. The very people who thought they would end up “Better Off” end up being LAID off instead.
If Lincoln had imposed a proper equality act rather than emancipation - then there might not have been a war.
Emancipation meant you had to pay your slaves in future. They were still going to be treated like slaves for the rest of the generation at least! You can’t change the way people think overnight…
Equality though? - It’s what we have now. It’s socially unacceptable to undertake any kind of racist, credist, or nationalist behaviour. That DIDN’T happen in America 1865. The beaten confederates and a large number of wealthy Northerners - carried on hating blacks until they died, possibly passing on that hate to their offspring too, making it another CENTURY before the civil rights movement finally done away with institutionalized racism at least.
In my mind “Atheist Creep” has led to the influx of incompatible religion into this country. Alexander the Great’s empire might have been kept glued together with “Secularism” - but further changes in religion would later sweep away those “freedoms” - only for the old theological systems to return. The lessons were not learned. If you want proper pure secularism - you MUST crush ANY religion that gets “pushy” - and not just what used to be the “home state religion”, in our case Christianity being crushed under by the Atheist establishment - whilst encroaching Militant Islam - cannot be criticized by anyone, lest they be accused of what exactly? - Someone explain to me again why I can’t protect my wife or girlfriend’s honour when she gets molested in the street by a religious dogma that places Women very much “second class citizens”…? 
