Batmann:
If there was a true tangible shortage of drivers, the O/D business would be booming…
Owner drivers don’t generally go for the type of local multi drop/building deliveries/retail distribution sector zb where the driver ‘shortages’ are if any.
Since the government have used fuel taxation as a weapon to get trucks off the road in the long haul freight sector that was always the work of choice for them.
Meanwhile the government’s answer is to continue ripping off the industry with extortionate fuel taxation and add loads more to the supply of disillusioned drivers thereby depressing wage rates even more.All to keep their big business rail freight cronies happy.
BillyHunt:
If there wasn’t a shortage of drivers this thread wouldn’t pop up every other week
There seems to be a shortage of drivers that enjoy the job that’s for sure, if you don’t like or enjoy it then move on. It’s a continual stream of people, I won’t call them drivers because I don’t know if they are, whining on about the hours, the pay, the vehicles, the traffic, the other drivers, the forkies, the tm, the planners. Last time I checked nobody was getting dragged into a yard & being forced to drive a truck.
As it happens I like & enjoy my current job. Decent pay, decent hours, decent kit.
BillyHunt:
If there wasn’t a shortage of drivers this thread wouldn’t pop up every other week
There seems to be a shortage of drivers that enjoy the job that’s for sure, if you don’t like or enjoy it then move on. It’s a continual stream of people, I won’t call them drivers because I don’t know if they are, whining on about the hours, the pay, the vehicles, the traffic, the other drivers, the forkies, the tm, the planners. Last time I checked nobody was getting dragged into a yard & being forced to drive a truck.
As it happens I like & enjoy my current job. Decent pay, decent hours, decent kit.
It depends on the definition of ‘polished drivers’.If polished means they want to do international trunking,preferably driving an LHV,they are obviously going to be disappointed working in a domestic only transport sector that even then is dedicated to sending as much freight as possible by rail.Leaving trucks to do the short haul zb.
BillyHunt:
If there wasn’t a shortage of drivers this thread wouldn’t pop up every other week
There seems to be a shortage of drivers that enjoy the job that’s for sure, if you don’t like or enjoy it then move on. It’s a continual stream of people, I won’t call them drivers because I don’t know if they are, whining on about the hours, the pay, the vehicles, the traffic, the other drivers, the forkies, the tm, the planners. Last time I checked nobody was getting dragged into a yard & being forced to drive a truck.
As it happens I like & enjoy my current job. Decent pay, decent hours, decent kit.
It depends on the definition **of ‘polished drivers’.**If polished means they want to do international trunking,preferably driving an LHV,they are obviously going to be disappointed working in a domestic only transport sector that even then is dedicated to sending as much freight as possible by rail.Leaving trucks to do the short haul zb.
Road transport needs a new approach .
If supermarkets , supermarket suppliers and pallet/parcel companies COOPERATED instead of COMPETED then many ( perhaps 25%■■) of lorries could come off the road , reducing congestion , CO² , fuel use AND demand for drivers !!
Instead of labour politicals urging renationalisation of railways …
They should campaign for renationalisation of ROAD TRANSPORT , which would be more cost effective AND more environmentally friendly AND more voter friendly
To repeat what I have said before, there IS a shortage of HGV drivers. Mmmmmm, let me guess exactly where those shortages are, or to be more precise, where they struggle to retain drivers.
Multiple drop retail deliveries: (Bakeries and Milk are two that are forever advertising for drivers.)
Home deliveries of heavy goods: (Argos etc.)
Builders merchants: (Again always advertising for drivers)
Jobs that have more than two nights out a week: (Surprisingly many drivers like to be home sometimes).
Throwing an extra 50p a hour at drivers, or trying to describe these roles as ‘prestigious’ or ‘blue chip’ just isn’t going to cut it in this modern day. Who in their right mind, is going to spend thousands of pounds off their own money out, to end up doing that sort of crud? Just how many people outside of truck driving, go to work and have to contend with a whole plethora of agencies trying to take money off them, for ridiculously petty things?
Most ( the vast majority of people ) are entirely unaffected by what happens on the trains .
Particularly as those massive hugely expensive things can only cope with 2/3 cyclists !!
Almost everybody is affected by road transport and would pay massive political dividends to politician who fixes it by nationalisng the whole sorry industry and imposes sanity into planning by forcing cooperation
boredwivdrivin:
Road transport needs a new approach .
If supermarkets , supermarket suppliers and pallet/parcel companies COOPERATED instead of COMPETED then many ( perhaps 25%■■) of lorries could come off the road , reducing congestion , CO² , fuel use AND demand for drivers !!
Instead of labour politicals urging renationalisation of railways …
They should campaign for renationalisation of ROAD TRANSPORT , which would be more cost effective AND more environmentally friendly AND more voter friendly
Firstly the issue of CO2 is only an issue ‘if’ anyone believes that it’s the CO2 in the atmosphere of Venus that cooked the planet as opposed to it’s distance from the sun and atmospheric pressure.IE as anyone familiar with diesel engines should know even good old fashioned air increases by 2 degrees fahrenheit for every 1 psi increase in pressure.So Venus isn’t doing too bad at 872 degrees for around 1,300 psi atmospheric pressure in an almost all CO2 atmosphere. Let alone the fact that even if we burnt all the Earth’s fossil fuels the addition to the already negligible amount would be even more negligible.IE on Earth CO2 is just a beneficial gas that plants breath and turn into oxygen.While contrary to Sagan’s bs it seems to actually be acting as a cooling gas on Venus compared to air on Earth,given an equivalent pressure let alone sun’s energy at that distance from it.
As for nationalisation being the answer to everything that’s bs.No one can compete for non existent loads and historic precedent suggests that nationalisation doesn’t remove the competitive process.Especially in the case of the very real issue of competition between road transport v rail.The problem in this case being the rigging of that market through road fuel taxation and road transport over regulation.Which affects productivety and reduces the ability of the industry to pay decent wages and provide decent job opportunities.
LIBERTY_GUY:
To repeat what I have said before, there IS a shortage of HGV drivers. Mmmmmm, let me guess exactly where those shortages are, or to be more precise, where they struggle to retain drivers.
Multiple drop retail deliveries: (Bakeries and Milk are two that are forever advertising for drivers.)
Home deliveries of heavy goods: (Argos etc.)
Builders merchants: (Again always advertising for drivers)
Jobs that have more than two nights out a week: (Surprisingly many drivers like to be home sometimes).
Throwing an extra 50p a hour at drivers, or trying to describe these roles as ‘prestigious’ or ‘blue chip’ just isn’t going to cut it in this modern day. Who in their right mind, is going to spend thousands of pounds off their own money out, to end up doing that sort of crud? Just how many people outside of truck driving, go to work and have to contend with a whole plethora of agencies trying to take money off them, for ridiculously petty things?
^ This.Although the ‘right’ work will possibly need more than two nights out per week.The way to deal with that is by employing more drivers to create rotas to compensate as what seems to be the case of European distance work operations.None of which is sustainable in an environment of drivers being seen as second best regards their European counterparts and crippling fuel costs and over regulation which acts as a disincentive to send anything over any distance by road.
Side story as to “Wot’s derwiving gweenhouth gathes” at this time:-
The CO2 content in the Earth’s atmosphere is a fraction of 1%. As and when this percentage increases, the atmopshere heats up, and more jungle proliferates. That jungle then breaths out the excess CO2 and re-draws the original balance. In the “dieback” phase, jungles shrink. It has nothing to do with Man Made Climate Change - which quite frankly I don’t believe in at all.
In the case of Venus - an atmosphere with a majority of CO2 in it - is bloody heavy, and accounts for much of the atmospheric pressure.
The atmosphere being heated by the THEN greenhouse effect to a high enough temperatue to melt Lead - can bring about the rest of it’s 90 bar rating.
Since there is no vegetation on Venus to “■■■■ Co2 back out of the Atmosphere” as there is on Earth - There is no cycle to be interrupted, and what has happened is not the culmination of “runaway greenhouse effect” at all. Who can tell me a date when Venus was like the Earth? - It had the wrong rock composition, and a lack of a life cycle to disrupt - to even get “runaway greenhouse effect” off the ground.
Maybe some space probe should be sent there to mine some cores to prove this beyond a doubt. If I’m right - they’ll be no coal on the entire planet!
It’s important that we don’t base our future estimations of climate change on a planet that never had a climate different to what it is now. Even flipping it over can’t have changed it’s overall atmospheric pressure much. Velikovski was right about his predictions for Venus’ properties - but not what the cause of them was, nor the property’s future effects upon itself.
Winseer:
Side story as to “Wot’s derwiving gweenhouth gathes” at this time:-
The CO2 content in the Earth’s atmosphere is a fraction of 1%. As and when this percentage increases, the atmopshere heats up, and more jungle proliferates. That jungle then breaths out the excess CO2 and re-draws the original balance. In the “dieback” phase, jungles shrink. It has nothing to do with Man Made Climate Change - which quite frankly I don’t believe in at all.
In the case of Venus - an atmosphere with a majority of CO2 in it - is bloody heavy, and accounts for much of the atmospheric pressure.
The atmosphere being heated by the THEN greenhouse effect to a high enough temperatue to melt Lead - can bring about the rest of it’s 90 bar rating.
Since there is no vegetation on Venus to “■■■■ Co2 back out of the Atmosphere” as there is on Earth - There is no cycle to be interrupted, and what has happened is not the culmination of “runaway greenhouse effect” at all. Who can tell me a date when Venus was like the Earth? - It had the wrong rock composition, and a lack of a life cycle to disrupt - to even get “runaway greenhouse effect” off the ground.
Maybe some space probe should be sent there to mine some cores to prove this beyond a doubt. If I’m right - they’ll be no coal on the entire planet!
It’s important that we don’t base our future estimations of climate change on a planet that never had a climate different to what it is now. Even flipping it over can’t have changed it’s overall atmospheric pressure much. Velikovski was right about his predictions for Venus’ properties - but not what the cause of them was, nor the property’s future effects upon itself.
The simple question as to what would Earth’s surface temperature be if we increased its atmospheric pressure to over 90 bar let alone moving it around 25 million miles closer to the sun.Without any change at all in its existing atmospheric composition,shows the level of the lie contained and/or gullibility of the believers in such a total scam.
Winseer:
Side story as to “Wot’s derwiving gweenhouth gathes” at this time:-
The CO2 content in the Earth’s atmosphere is a fraction of 1%. As and when this percentage increases, the atmopshere heats up, and more jungle proliferates. That jungle then breaths out the excess CO2 and re-draws the original balance. In the “dieback” phase, jungles shrink. It has nothing to do with Man Made Climate Change - which quite frankly I don’t believe in at all.
In the case of Venus - an atmosphere with a majority of CO2 in it - is bloody heavy, and accounts for much of the atmospheric pressure.
The atmosphere being heated by the THEN greenhouse effect to a high enough temperatue to melt Lead - can bring about the rest of it’s 90 bar rating.
Since there is no vegetation on Venus to “■■■■ Co2 back out of the Atmosphere” as there is on Earth - There is no cycle to be interrupted, and what has happened is not the culmination of “runaway greenhouse effect” at all. Who can tell me a date when Venus was like the Earth? - It had the wrong rock composition, and a lack of a life cycle to disrupt - to even get “runaway greenhouse effect” off the ground.
Maybe some space probe should be sent there to mine some cores to prove this beyond a doubt. If I’m right - they’ll be no coal on the entire planet!
It’s important that we don’t base our future estimations of climate change on a planet that never had a climate different to what it is now. Even flipping it over can’t have changed it’s overall atmospheric pressure much. Velikovski was right about his predictions for Venus’ properties - but not what the cause of them was, nor the property’s future effects upon itself.
The simple question as to what would Earth’s surface temperature be if we increased its atmospheric pressure to over 90 bar let alone moving it around 25 million miles closer to the sun.Without any change at all in its existing atmospheric composition,shows the level of the lie contained and/or gullibility of the believers in such a total scam.
Interesting as it is ruminating on a surface pressure equivalent to Venus, but what effect would this have on a driver shortage? Notwithstanding being all dead. What a pain in the arse. Bloody Charles’ combine gas law. There’d be a right old shortage then. At least rates would go up.
Don’t take this personally but if I’m in my barometric hi viz suit working the fridge lorries I hope you’re not the only other driver who’s bought one:-
(A) As one of two people left on the planet I simply could not face listening to your endless yacking about the old days, China, socialism buggering up the atmospheric pressure, bridge spans in America, bla bla, yadda yadda.
And…
(B) Being two of us left on the planet, you’d push the rates down. I might be so desperate I’d have to pop your suit with a pin. I wouldn’t do this under normal atmospheric pressures you’d understand, but with the Earth at 90 bar desperate times and all that…
In the name of ■■■■. I thought the change from driver shortage to whether train drivers were worth their wage was a pretty big subject shift but I think his one will take some beating. We’ve went from a drivers shortage to discussing the bloody solar system??
That has to be a first. Even by trucknet standards, that shift is from pretty far out of left field
Winseer:
Side story as to “Wot’s derwiving gweenhouth gathes” at this time:-
The CO2 content in the Earth’s atmosphere is a fraction of 1%. As and when this percentage increases, the atmopshere heats up, and more jungle proliferates. That jungle then breaths out the excess CO2 and re-draws the original balance. In the “dieback” phase, jungles shrink. It has nothing to do with Man Made Climate Change - which quite frankly I don’t believe in at all.
In the case of Venus - an atmosphere with a majority of CO2 in it - is bloody heavy, and accounts for much of the atmospheric pressure.
The atmosphere being heated by the THEN greenhouse effect to a high enough temperatue to melt Lead - can bring about the rest of it’s 90 bar rating.
Since there is no vegetation on Venus to “■■■■ Co2 back out of the Atmosphere” as there is on Earth - There is no cycle to be interrupted, and what has happened is not the culmination of “runaway greenhouse effect” at all. Who can tell me a date when Venus was like the Earth? - It had the wrong rock composition, and a lack of a life cycle to disrupt - to even get “runaway greenhouse effect” off the ground.
Maybe some space probe should be sent there to mine some cores to prove this beyond a doubt. If I’m right - they’ll be no coal on the entire planet!
It’s important that we don’t base our future estimations of climate change on a planet that never had a climate different to what it is now. Even flipping it over can’t have changed it’s overall atmospheric pressure much. Velikovski was right about his predictions for Venus’ properties - but not what the cause of them was, nor the property’s future effects upon itself.
The simple question as to what would Earth’s surface temperature be if we increased its atmospheric pressure to over 90 bar let alone moving it around 25 million miles closer to the sun.Without any change at all in its existing atmospheric composition,shows the level of the lie contained and/or gullibility of the believers in such a total scam.
Interesting as it is ruminating on a surface pressure equivalent to Venus, but what effect would this have on a driver shortage?
It has loads to do with it.Because it’s the bs global warming theory based on the surface temperature on planet Venus that the government is using as an excuse to put trucks off the road when and wherever possible.Thereby ironically reducing the demand for drivers in the ‘right’ type of work and lowering wage rates.Thereby creating a ‘driver shortage’ for the remaining types of wrong work and a load of pished off drivers who’s wages are going to pay for the extortionate levels fuel taxation.
The-Snowman:
In the name of [zb]. I thought the change from driver shortage to whether train drivers were worth their wage was a pretty big subject shift but I think his one will take some beating. We’ve went from a drivers shortage to discussing the bloody solar system??
That has to be a first. Even by trucknet standards, that shift is from pretty far out of left field
To be fair it was boredwivdrivin who started it by using CO2 as an example to base his reasoning concerning issues which are entirely on topic.
Winseer:
Side story as to “Wot’s derwiving gweenhouth gathes” at this time:-
The CO2 content in the Earth’s atmosphere is a fraction of 1%. As and when this percentage increases, the atmopshere heats up, and more jungle proliferates. That jungle then breaths out the excess CO2 and re-draws the original balance. In the “dieback” phase, jungles shrink. It has nothing to do with Man Made Climate Change - which quite frankly I don’t believe in at all.
In the case of Venus - an atmosphere with a majority of CO2 in it - is bloody heavy, and accounts for much of the atmospheric pressure.
The atmosphere being heated by the THEN greenhouse effect to a high enough temperatue to melt Lead - can bring about the rest of it’s 90 bar rating.
Since there is no vegetation on Venus to “■■■■ Co2 back out of the Atmosphere” as there is on Earth - There is no cycle to be interrupted, and what has happened is not the culmination of “runaway greenhouse effect” at all. Who can tell me a date when Venus was like the Earth? - It had the wrong rock composition, and a lack of a life cycle to disrupt - to even get “runaway greenhouse effect” off the ground.
Maybe some space probe should be sent there to mine some cores to prove this beyond a doubt. If I’m right - they’ll be no coal on the entire planet!
It’s important that we don’t base our future estimations of climate change on a planet that never had a climate different to what it is now. Even flipping it over can’t have changed it’s overall atmospheric pressure much. Velikovski was right about his predictions for Venus’ properties - but not what the cause of them was, nor the property’s future effects upon itself.
The simple question as to what would Earth’s surface temperature be if we increased its atmospheric pressure to over 90 bar let alone moving it around 25 million miles closer to the sun.Without any change at all in its existing atmospheric composition,shows the level of the lie contained and/or gullibility of the believers in such a total scam.
Interesting as it is ruminating on a surface pressure equivalent to Venus, but what effect would this have on a driver shortage?
It has loads to do with it.Because it’s the bs global warming theory based on the surface temperature on planet Venus that the government is using as an excuse to put trucks off the road when and wherever possible.Thereby ironically reducing the demand for drivers in the ‘right’ type of work and lowering wage rates.Thereby creating a ‘driver shortage’ for the remaining types of wrong work and a load of pished off drivers who’s wages are going to pay for the extortionate levels fuel taxation.
Yeah rolleyes indeed huh, shucks! Bloody pressure at 90 bar, Venus. Unions need to be on this Venus thing. Thank sunny Jesus we have slate cold thinkers like you and not swivell eyed tangent loonies left alone to smack our bare arse with wild ideas.
Don’t going building yourself a suit though. Meant what I said. Pin.
