Driver jailed

[jakethesnake]

Nite Owl:

jakethesnake:
Surely if you can’t see the road ahead clearly and have done everything else possible then you need to pull off the road or stop?

As a night driver, every autumn I find myself driving into the setting sun and every spring i drive into the rising sun. The ONLY time I have ever considered stopping due to glare was on a motorway with settled snow at the side. Proper sunglasses (not just ones that make me look cool), proper adjustment on visors and appropriate speed meant that I didnt have to.[/quote

Yep, in most cases other things can be done to prevent stopping.

[dieseldog999]

I`m not sure here, but I am going to take a wild guess at what you should do if you cannot see the road or anything else in front of you…Stop? It is what I have done and would do again.
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obviously that makes you one of the top productive employees in your company then?
i can only imagine the phone call to the planners.
hello,its sunny and i cans see so ive just stopped and il move again when the shiny sun goes away.

fantasy drivvle,dont be turning into a rowley/jts clone.
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I just wonder which phone call they would prefer

sorry im a little delayed for drop x because I had to ease off due to road conditions.

or

I was driving flat out even though I couldn’t see and I have killed someone oh and btw none of the remaining work is going to get done and there is damage to your truck so you got that to pay out for too.
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nobody mentioned easing off.
going slower because of road conditions is par for the course,whereas stopping because the sun is out and by definition staying stopped till it goes away is ridiculous.

[robthedog]

The real Biffo:
Link to METRO news report at METRO.co.uk

Wiped out by an EE surprise surprise, about time we clamped down on these menaces on our roads. They blatantly flout our laws drink like fish most cant drive correctly have dodgy licences something needs to be done. And when there caught most disappear

[the_nodding_donkey]

robthedog:

The real Biffo:
Link to METRO news report at METRO.co.uk

Wiped out by an EE surprise surprise, about time we clamped down on these menaces on our roads. They blatantly flout our laws drink like fish most cant drive correctly have dodgy licences something needs to be done. And when there caught most disappear

That’s not a very nice way to speak about your countrymen…

[elsa_lad]

yourhavingalarf:

cooper1203:
Just 8 months and a 2 year ban its pitiful really.

I see what…

You’re saying but, put yourself in his shoes. He never set out to kill anyone any more than I do or you but, because of his ignorance/bad luck/poor judgement/inexperience he’s killed someone. He’s got to live with that for the rest of his life and his family too.

Don’t get me wrong, the man [zb] up big time and the laws we have dictate how he should be punished.

If fit was you standing there in the dock before the judge for the same offence, would you be saying 8 months isn’t enough?

What we do for a living is a very fine line between another day at work or possibly destroying other peoples lives.

Have to agree with yourhavingalarf on this one, It could happen to anyone of us. Have you ever looked down at the delivery notes while driving? changed channel on the radio? looked down to grab that mug of tea and oh yes answered that call? Yes we all done it and will continue to do so. It is so easy to lose concentration and in a split second someone life can be gone.

One of my biggest fears being a driver is causing a accident where someone gets hurt, Its easy to judge someone else but none of us are 100% perfect. I feel very sorry for both the family and the driver as all their life are ruined.

You can slag me off for saying this but I’m being honest.

[cooper1203]

elsa Lad:

yourhavingalarf:

cooper1203:
Just 8 months and a 2 year ban its pitiful really.

I see what…

You’re saying but, put yourself in his shoes. He never set out to kill anyone any more than I do or you but, because of his ignorance/bad luck/poor judgement/inexperience he’s killed someone. He’s got to live with that for the rest of his life and his family too.

Don’t get me wrong, the man [zb] up big time and the laws we have dictate how he should be punished.

If fit was you standing there in the dock before the judge for the same offence, would you be saying 8 months isn’t enough?

What we do for a living is a very fine line between another day at work or possibly destroying other peoples lives.

Have to agree with yourhavingalarf on this one, It could happen to anyone of us. Have you ever looked down at the delivery notes while driving? changed channel on the radio? looked down to grab that mug of tea and oh yes answered that call? Yes we all done it and will continue to do so. It is so easy to lose concentration and in a split second someone life can be gone.

One of my biggest fears being a driver is causing a accident where someone gets hurt, Its easy to judge someone else but none of us are 100% perfect. I feel very sorry for both the family and the driver as all their life are ruined.

You can slag me off for saying this but I’m being honest.

no need to “slag you off” I see what your saying im sure we all have taken our eyes off the road. However how many times have you looked at your delivery notes while negotiating a hazard. Im guessing that you do it when it is safe as possible to do so and even then you probably ease off.

[robroy]

Nite Owl:

Tude:

dieseldog999:
wrong place ,wrong time,
dazzled by the sun bouncing off a wet road so what could he do to rectify the situation as mentioned in the newspaper,except park up and wait for the nasty sun to go away.
as usual the fact he was on a legally used hands free call gets plastered as a possible reason to jail him.
irrespective of using the phone or not,then that type of accident could happen to anyone.
the prison sentence serves no purpose whatsoever.
would anyone have a clue what additional precautions theyre waffling on about might be apart from mabey wearing sunglasses and impairing his vision even further?

ps,just for rowley/jake,

this is a perfect example of what happens when a hgv is being driven within the speed limits and not being driven normally at least 10 mph above them.
if he had been driving flat to the mat,then he would have been well past her,or not even on the same road as her at the time of the collision.

I`m not sure here, but I am going to take a wild guess at what you should do if you cannot see the road or anything else in front of you…Stop? It is what I have done and would do again.

So you’re perfectly happy to stop in the live lane of a dual carriageway for however long it takes for the sun to move? What about a single carriageway? Would you block a road for however long?

Your answer is as extreme as the flat to the mat brigade. How about a little common sense. Maybe slow down a bit to give yourself more time. Put some polarised sunglasses on to cut out the glare. How about pulling the shade down?

Yep, I reckon I can now retire from Trucknet (don’t build your hope’s up I’m being faceitous )
I finally now HAVE heard it all that comes from the mouths of drivers…‘‘In bright sunlight, park up’’.
Take note all you lads who do regular Spain and Italy, think of all that time sunbathing,…see if yer guvnors will go with it.

Tude mate…buy a set of ■■■■ Raybans and put the sun visors down !!!.

[rigsby]

All that arguing and the answer is simple , cancel the call and devote 100% attention to the job in hand . Maybe all cabs should be built like a Faraday Cage .

[robroy]

yourhavingalarf:

cooper1203:
Just 8 months and a 2 year ban its pitiful really.

I see what…

You’re saying but, put yourself in his shoes. He never set out to kill anyone any more than I do or you but, because of his ignorance/bad luck/poor judgement/inexperience he’s killed someone. He’s got to live with that for the rest of his life and his family too.

Don’t get me wrong, the man [zb] up big time and the laws we have dictate how he should be punished.

If fit was you standing there in the dock before the judge for the same offence, would you be saying 8 months isn’t enough?

What we do for a living is a very fine line between another day at work or possibly destroying other peoples lives.

A man who talks common sense at last, ■■■■ happens and absolute tragic ■■■■ happens where people lose their lives on the roads.
I know it’s going to be ‘‘What if it was your …etc etc’’ and I DO get that, so don’t even bother.

Jake goes on about what we should and shouldn’t all do whilst driving (just for a change )
We should all apparentlly drive for 9 hours with 100 % total uninterrupted attention, sat bolt upright, hands at 10 to 2 trying to prevent his famous ‘carnage on the roads’ at all times.
And you know what?
… He’s right we should.

However just to leave Jakeyworld for Realityworld, it’s humanly impossible, there are always distractions, and the human mind wanders whether you (or Jake) like it or not.

So now some say hand’s free conversations should be outlawed , ok, let’s outlaw listening to the radio, let’s outlaw talking to passengers, in fact…let’s outlaw passengers in our private cars,.all distractive conversations are had in this way.

The guy was LEGALLY talking on his hands free, so why was this even brought up in court, they can’t have it both ways…and I understand this poor woman lost her life, but whenever you have moving vehicles of different types there are ALWAYS going to be accidents …let’s outlaw driving completely, and we’ll all stay at home wearing tin foil hats and sit under the table.

Only last week I was pulling in to a park which crossed a cycle lane, dark and foggy, I indicated, saw this carefree ■■■■ lycra man, and yeh he had right of way, but he just kept tearing up regardless,presumably thinking he was safe in that knowledge because he wore a headcam, if he had half a brain behind that ■■■■ headcam, he would at least have slown down in case I hadn’t seen him…and guess what ?..I was talking to a mate on hands free , asking if the Newcastle match was on tv at the pub that I was making for, so distractions 2 fold…hang me now .

[jakethesnake]

rigsby:
All that arguing and the answer is simple , cancel the call and devote 100% attention to the job in hand . Maybe all cabs should be built like a Faraday Cage .

Summed up perfectly Rigsby.

Of course this kind of accident can happen to anyone. It’s just far more likely to happen to some than others
Its all about concentration levels.

Robbie, I may have taught many to pass a test but never have I said anyone should drive as you say.

[cooper1203]

robroy:
So now some say hand’s free conversations should be outlawed , ok, let’s outlaw listening to the radio, let’s outlaw talking to passengers, in fact…let’s outlaw passengers in our private cars,.all distractive conversations are had in this way.

does that mean I don’t have to take the other half with me when she is nagging

[jimmy_mcnulty]

jakethesnake:

Nite Owl:

Tude:

dieseldog999:
wrong place ,wrong time,
dazzled by the sun bouncing off a wet road so what could he do to rectify the situation as mentioned in the newspaper,except park up and wait for the nasty sun to go away.
as usual the fact he was on a legally used hands free call gets plastered as a possible reason to jail him.
irrespective of using the phone or not,then that type of accident could happen to anyone.
the prison sentence serves no purpose whatsoever.
would anyone have a clue what additional precautions theyre waffling on about might be apart from mabey wearing sunglasses and impairing his vision even further?

ps,just for rowley/jake,

this is a perfect example of what happens when a hgv is being driven within the speed limits and not being driven normally at least 10 mph above them.
if he had been driving flat to the mat,then he would have been well past her,or not even on the same road as her at the time of the collision.

I`m not sure here, but I am going to take a wild guess at what you should do if you cannot see the road or anything else in front of you…Stop? It is what I have done and would do again.

So you’re perfectly happy to stop in the live lane of a dual carriageway for however long it takes for the sun to move? What about a single carriageway? Would you block a road for however long?

Your answer is as extreme as the flat to the mat brigade. How about a little common sense. Maybe slow down a bit to give yourself more time. Put some polarised sunglasses on to cut out the glare. How about pulling the shade down?

Surely if you can’t see the road ahead clearly and have done everything else possible then you need to pull off the road or stop?

The driver ‘may have been dazzled by the sun’

As in he has been asked by the police what happened and rather than say that he was using his phone (on speaker, not on bluetooth so the phone still needs handled to answer/dial and select speaker option) he has used that as an excuse instead.

Because it’s quite clearly a bull ■■■■ excuse.

[cooper1203]

robroy:

yourhavingalarf:

cooper1203:
Just 8 months and a 2 year ban its pitiful really.

I see what…

You’re saying but, put yourself in his shoes. He never set out to kill anyone any more than I do or you but, because of his ignorance/bad luck/poor judgement/inexperience he’s killed someone. He’s got to live with that for the rest of his life and his family too.

Don’t get me wrong, the man [zb] up big time and the laws we have dictate how he should be punished.

If fit was you standing there in the dock before the judge for the same offence, would you be saying 8 months isn’t enough?

What we do for a living is a very fine line between another day at work or possibly destroying other peoples lives.

A man who talks common sense at last, [zb] happens and absolute tragic [zb] happens where people lose their lives on the roads.
I know it’s going to be ‘‘What if it was your …etc etc’’ and I DO get that, so don’t even bother.

Jake goes on about what we should and shouldn’t all do whilst driving (just for a change )
We should all apparentlly drive for 9 hours with 100 % total uninterrupted attention, sat bolt upright, hands at 10 to 2 trying to prevent his famous ‘carnage on the roads’ at all times.
And you know what?
… He’s right we should.

However just to leave Jakeyworld for Realityworld, it’s humanly impossible, there are always distractions, and the human mind wanders whether you (or Jake) like it or not.

So now some say hand’s free conversations should be outlawed , ok, let’s outlaw listening to the radio, let’s outlaw talking to passengers, in fact…let’s outlaw passengers in our private cars,.all distractive conversations are had in this way.

The guy was LEGALLY talking on his hands free, so why was this even brought up in court, they can’t have it both ways…and I understand this poor woman lost her life, but whenever you have moving vehicles of different types there are ALWAYS going to be accidents …let’s outlaw driving completely, and we’ll all stay at home wearing tin foil hats and sit under the table.

Only last week I was pulling in to a park which crossed a cycle lane, dark and foggy, I indicated, saw this carefree [zb] lycra man, and yeh he had right of way, but he just kept tearing up regardless,presumably thinking he was safe in that knowledge because he wore a headcam, if he had half a brain behind that [zb] headcam, he would at least have slown down in case I hadn’t seen him…and guess what ?..I was talking to a mate on hands free , asking if the Newcastle match was on tv at the pub that I was making for, so distractions 2 fold…hang me now .

I personally don’t use my phone whilst driving maybe im soft but I know that if I ever had an accident resulting in serious injury or death whilst I was on the phone I would for ever more wonder if it was because I was on the phone.

Im not saying I’m perfect its just how I know I personally would feel so I take steps to avoid that.

As to banning the radio yes there is an argument for that however on the night you were talking to your mate about the football match can you remember every song that played in a 20 min period. If you asked me to list some of the songs I was listening to on Friday just gone I couldn’t and there were some bloody good songs. in fact with me I cant remember the last time I heard a song all the way though with out it becoming background noise that was just there. However I do find when say trying to find an address any music or inane chatter drives me up the bloody wall so the radio goes off.

[robroy]

cooper1203:
I personally don’t use my phone whilst driving maybe im soft but I know that if I ever had an accident resulting in serious injury or death whilst I was on the phone I would for ever more wonder if it was because I was on the phone.

Im not saying I’m perfect its just how I know I personally would feel so I take steps to avoid that.

As to banning the radio yes there is an argument for that however on the night you were talking to your mate about the football match can you remember every song that played in a 20 min period. If you asked me to list some of the songs I was listening to on Friday just gone I couldn’t and there were some bloody good songs. in fact with me I cant remember the last time I heard a song all the way though with out it becoming background noise that was just there. However I do find when say trying to find an address any music or inane chatter drives me up the bloody wall so the radio goes off.

Yeh ok, but you know what I mean, using a hands free phone is 100% legal, so why was it even mentioned in court as if it was something that he legally should not have been doing…it’s like saying he was switching on his wipers, or adjusting his mirrors or something.
I still use hands free phone, and tbh I would still use a hand held one as we all did once, and managed with no probs, if it wasn’t for the fact I’d get done.
I don’t readily believe all the official bs rhetoric and biased statistics like most do, we are a multi task species, but as per usual the legislation is aimed towards inept f/whits, like every ■■■■ thing else in this country.

The only thing I think is a big no no is texting, and browsing social media and the like.
As for the radio, it’s on most of the day, I’d be bored ■■■■ less without it tbh.

[bigtruck3]

robroy:

cooper1203:
I personally don’t use my phone whilst driving maybe im soft but I know that if I ever had an accident resulting in serious injury or death whilst I was on the phone I would for ever more wonder if it was because I was on the phone.

Im not saying I’m perfect its just how I know I personally would feel so I take steps to avoid that.

As to banning the radio yes there is an argument for that however on the night you were talking to your mate about the football match can you remember every song that played in a 20 min period. If you asked me to list some of the songs I was listening to on Friday just gone I couldn’t and there were some bloody good songs. in fact with me I cant remember the last time I heard a song all the way though with out it becoming background noise that was just there. However I do find when say trying to find an address any music or inane chatter drives me up the bloody wall so the radio goes off.

Yeh ok, but you know what I mean, using a hands free phone is 100% legal, so why was it even mentioned in court as if it was something that he legally should not have been doing…it’s like saying he was switching on his wipers, or adjusting his mirrors or something.
I still use hands free phone, and tbh I would still use a hand held one as we all did once, and managed with no probs, if it wasn’t for the fact I’d get done.
I don’t readily believe all the official bs rhetoric and biased statistics like most do, we are a multi task species, but as per usual the legislation is aimed towards inept f/whits, like every [zb] thing else in this country.

The only thing I think is a big no no is texting, and browsing social media and the like.
As for the radio, it’s on most of the day, I’d be bored [zb] less without it tbh.

Its food for thought maybe we need cameras faceing the driver so we can watch him all day or have it recorded so we can hang him even if he is doing nothing wrong but it could make us look good

[harry_monk]

It is a tragic event, but I’m going to present a slightly contrarian viewpoint here.

I suppose it could be argued that a cyclist is entitled to ride anywhere it is legal to do so, but I have a Honda Express moped which does 25mph, which is 2-3 times the speed of a pedal cycle and it is far more visible than a pedal cycle, but there are plenty of roads on which I wouldn’t consider it safe to ride, particularly those with high speed truck traffic.

Perhaps I should be able to, but in the real world a bit of common sense goes a long way when it comes to self-preservation.

[yourhavingalarf]

Harry Monk:
It is a tragic event, but I’m going to present a slightly contrarian viewpoint here.

I suppose it could be argued that a cyclist is entitled to ride anywhere it is legal to do so, but I have a Honda Express moped which does 25mph, which is 2-3 times the speed of a pedal cycle and it is far more visible than a pedal cycle, but there are plenty of roads on which I wouldn’t consider it safe to ride, particularly those with high speed truck traffic.

Perhaps I should be able to, but in the real world a bit of common sense goes a long way when it comes to self-preservation.

+1…

I have on occaision come across cyclists on the A5 between Magna Park and the M69. Sure, they’re perfectly entitled to ride on it but I can’t think of a more dangerous place to be pedalling away with your back to the traffic on a mirrorless wobbly contraption.

[jakethesnake]

Harry Monk:
It is a tragic event, but I’m going to present a slightly contrarian viewpoint here.

I suppose it could be argued that a cyclist is entitled to ride anywhere it is legal to do so, but I have a Honda Express moped which does 25mph, which is 2-3 times the speed of a pedal cycle and it is far more visible than a pedal cycle, but there are plenty of roads on which I wouldn’t consider it safe to ride, particularly those with high speed truck traffic.

Perhaps I should be able to, but in the real world a bit of common sense goes a long way when it comes to self-preservation.

A bit of a selfish view Harry in my opinion. A cyclist has been killed by a driver who has admitted to causing death by careless driving. Also admitted not taking any action for the blinding sun but you are saying the cyclist should have thought it may not be safe to ride home from work, a route which she used regularily.

Unfortunately every person is not maybe so aware of the dangers as somebody who drives regularily and as you quite rightly say she was perfectly legal and entitled to cycle that route. Maybe that was her only mode of transport.

Maybe if the lorry driver has done what he should have done she would have still been alive today with her family. Very unfair to blame the victim.

[dieseldog999]

Harry Monk:
It is a tragic event, but I’m going to present a slightly contrarian viewpoint here.

I suppose it could be argued that a cyclist is entitled to ride anywhere it is legal to do so, but I have a Honda Express moped which does 25mph, which is 2-3 times the speed of a pedal cycle and it is far more visible than a pedal cycle, but there are plenty of roads on which I wouldn’t consider it safe to ride, particularly those with high speed truck traffic.

Perhaps I should be able to, but in the real world a bit of common sense goes a long way when it comes to self-preservation.

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+1
thats excellent common sense and logic,which goes right out of the window when you have 59 year old wifeys,idiots on those lie back and pedal horizontal things,and not forgetting your whale kissing tree huggers with pippa or giles getting dragged along in a basket en route to the farm shop for an organic nut cutlet.
nobody would ride on main roads like that except myopics,idiots and the new breed of lycra clad mangina cyclists complete with helmet can as irrespective of how stupid it is for them to be there,itl be someone elses fault when they get creamed.( which they do on a regular basis whether in the city or elsewhere)

[harry_monk]

jakethesnake:
A bit of a selfish view Harry in my opinion. A cyclist has been killed by a driver who has admitted to causing death by careless driving. Also admitted not taking any action for the blinding sun but you are saying the cyclist should have thought it may not be safe to ride home from work, a route which she used regularily.

Unfortunately every person is not maybe so aware of the dangers as somebody who drives regularily and as you quite rightly say she was perfectly legal and entitled to cycle that route. Maybe that was her only mode of transport.

Maybe if the lorry driver has done what he should have done she would have still been alive today with her family. Very unfair to blame the victim.

I wouldn’t agree that my view is “selfish” but to expand slightly and give you a personal example, last year I was moored on my boat at Fradley and I decided to visit the National Memorial Arboretum which was around six miles away. This is exactly the sort of thing the Honda is for, I keep it on the bow deck of my boat and as it is so light I can lift it on and off unaided.

The most direct route was straight up the A38. There is no legal restriction on my doing this, but knowing that stretch of the A38, I considered that this would be an extremely foolish and dangerous thing to do on such a slow-moving vehicle, and so I took a slightly longer route which kept me entirely on country lanes, and I doubt I saw half-a-dozen moving vehicles all the way there and back. I could have held the view that “I’m perfectly entitled to be on the A38”, which of course I would be, but sometimes you just have to accept that a course of action can be legal but unwise.

Incidentally, I highly recommend a visit to the National Memorial Arboretum, which is a very moving and evocative site.