Now if this type of topic was in the DCPC I might consider attending. Can some of the trainers on here get a lesson together for inclusion?
As for the original topic it’s been done to death on here. It’s a box ticking exercise for the government to keep the bell ends in Europe happy. That’s why they have no interest in how it’s run, by whom, or even what is covered. To that end an English class may be of help to some on here.
albion1971:
The reason the government introduced the CPC is that far too many drivers were not capable of learning basic rules and regulations them selves.
I disagree with you there. I thought the government was required to introduce it under European Law.
Its not because drivers are too stupid it is because they are no longer TRUSTED not to be stupid.
The larger firms which have outsourced their recruitment department to an agency simply do not trust that drivers are able to do their jobs, but rather rely on idiot proofing the job with lots of tick sheets, disclaimers and what not, which not only then covers their arse, it also serves to de-skill our job… I mean profession.
I feel like the job is being dumbed down at the same time as we are paying to be considered professional.
Professionals are trusted, surely?
wow this forum just get better and better I cant be bothered to decipher someone’s post because they have not used commas or full stops! I am pretty sure your brain being so educated would automatically place them in the correct places a bit like the old if you can raed tihs … but hey ho back school forget load restraints or drivers hours lets all do a dcpc module on professional forum writing 
Yep. I stand by it, too … why should I put any effort into deciphering someone’s posts if they can’t be bothered to put any effort into writing them? It’s impolite to the reader to expect them to do all the work. We’re not talking advanced stuff here, just punctuating and writing in sentences. Pretty basic school stuff. Why people think only English teachers and university graduates should write in proper English, I don’t know.
Well first of all I can only apologise if I have caused any offence, I only wanted fellow drivers opinion on this subject. I have never stereotyped any one and would certainly not do so we are all very much individual, it is unfortunate that it may seem that being a truck driver may make some drivers feel it is a solitary life, but I have been far away from home and having heard a country man’s voice have made a effort to make conversion, I only am struggling to understand the situation we are all in as professional drivers! And could it be possible if we all stood up with collective voice could it be possible to change our industry for the better?
steviej45:
And could it be possible if we all stood up with collective voice could it be possible to change our industry for the better?
It would be possible if we all stood up with a collective voice.
…but it’ll never happen. Getting lorry drivers together and singing from the same hymn sheet would be harder than herding cats.
Looooo:
Professionals are trusted, surely?
I would love to agree with you here…but I can’t!
I instruct DriverCPC amongst other things and I deal with lots of guys & gals coming through the doors and it’s quite shocking how many of them, in this profession, even fail to grasp the fundamentals of things that we should know let alone the more complex issues that we might face on a day to day basis. Key areas that drivers fail on include basics like the Driver’s Hours regs, WTD, load security, HSe and O’ licence knowledge. Bear in mind that 80%+ of VOSA warnings and FPN are issues cos we don’t complete walk-arounds properly in the morning and many fail to understand the ramifications and legal consequences of Load security, the Highway Code and even Drink Driving…
At no point am I going to state here that DriverCPC in it’s current state is implemented correctly. I will though state that many, many guys coming through my classes say that at the very least, they’ve learned something at the end of the day and THAT can’t be a bad thing.
I’ve heard a hell of a lot about “professionals” whinging and whining about DCPC, yet my experience standing in front of a lot of people telling them what they SHOULD now but DON’T means that DCPC really does need to be treated properly by many of us. Afterall, we DON’T know it all…and there is a level of arrogance to assume we do!
Meistre:
Looooo:
Professionals are trusted, surely?I would love to agree with you here…but I can’t!
I instruct DriverCPC amongst other things and I deal with lots of guys & gals coming through the doors and it’s quite shocking how many of them, in this profession, even fail to grasp the fundamentals of things that we should know let alone the more complex issues that we might face on a day to day basis. Key areas that drivers fail on include basics like the Driver’s Hours regs, WTD, load security, HSe and O’ licence knowledge. Bear in mind that 80%+ of VOSA warnings and FPN are issues cos we don’t complete walk-arounds properly in the morning and many fail to understand the ramifications and legal consequences of Load security, the Highway Code and even Drink Driving…
At no point am I going to state here that DriverCPC in it’s current state is implemented correctly. I will though state that many, many guys coming through my classes say that at the very least, they’ve learned something at the end of the day and THAT can’t be a bad thing.
I’ve heard a hell of a lot about “professionals” whinging and whining about DCPC, yet my experience standing in front of a lot of people telling them what they SHOULD now but DON’T means that DCPC really does need to be treated properly by many of us. Afterall, we DON’T know it all…and there is a level of arrogance to assume we do!
I am glad someone else realises the reality of the situation.I have found exactly the same over the years.I have never done any DCPC training but when I did my own training(which was well done)I noticed how little some knew and also as you say how they failed to grasp the fundamentals as you say.It was actually quite embarrassing at times.
It was exactly the same when I was training,most but certainly not all were better at the practical(driving and related subjects) where as when it came to the theory some really found it very hard to retain anything.
Do not get me wrong though there were some that were excellent but not enough.
I feel it is probably some of the ones that moan about it are some of the ones that cannot grasp it but who knows.Maybe DCPC is not ideal the way it is but we definitely need a way to improve standards throughout.
Meistre:
I’ve heard a hell of a lot about “professionals” whinging and whining about DCPC, yet my experience standing in front of a lot of people telling them what they SHOULD now but DON’T means that DCPC really does need to be treated properly by many of us. Afterall, we DON’T know it all…and there is a level of arrogance to assume we do!
I think my main issue with the DCPC periodic training is that you’re not tested on whether or not you actually took any of it in. Both courses that I am going on this week (Driver’s Hours/Digi Tacho)(H&S part1/Fuel efficient driving) are attendance only i.e. at the end of the day you’ve got your 7 hours - even if you’ve been asleep up the back of the class all day.
Being a qualified teacher I wonder how many driver’s on here would be happy if I told them at a parent’s night that their kid knew how to do Pythagoras, they knew how to do Differentiation and they had no problems with Integration - after all I have taught them how to do it. I suspect that some of you might be tempted to say, “How do you know they can do it? Have they sat a test? Can I see what mark they got in the test?”.
For that reason, I think the whole DCPC thing is a bit of a scam/sham and will only be any use to those driver’s who actually take an interest in what they’re doing and will be looking to learn something at their DCPC courses - the rest will just clock up their 7 hours and won’t give a f…
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dri-diddly-iver:
kevin0410:
albion1971:
Your not as highly qualified as you seem to think!Muphrey’s Law strikes! It’s ‘You’re’.
Strike 2 - I’m sure it’s Murphy!
No, I definitely meant Muphrey’s Law. Look it up.
albion1971:
kevin0410:
albion1971:
Your not as highly qualified as you seem to think!Muphrey’s Law strikes! It’s ‘You’re’.
Ha Ha who the hell is MUPHREY? Are you sure it should not be…you are…
No, I definitely meant Muphrey’s Law. Look it up.
You’re is a contraction of you are.
The word is grammar and not grammer.The DCPC as it stands is still not fit for purpose.
sonofjamie:
I think my main issue with the DCPC periodic training is that you’re not tested on whether or not you actually took any of it in. Both courses that I am going on this week (Driver’s Hours/Digi Tacho)(H&S part1/Fuel efficient driving) are attendance only i.e. at the end of the day you’ve got your 7 hours - even if you’ve been asleep up the back of the class all day.
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I’m with you here on this, you’ll not hear me saying that I agree with the way DCPC is currently being implemented but the principle is sound.
Another thing I note on MANY of the courses I deliver, is the number of drivers who state that their controllers should attend these courses because they don’t know all the rules either. Many, many people in the traffic office don’t know the regulations and are giving the driver’s instructions, putting the driver’s licence, bank balance and income on the line.
I am hoping that DCPC informs drivers as to their exact position and liability at work and they subsequently put pressure BACK onto Traffic in an attempt to improve the industry as a whole. I wait with bated breath to see what happens… 
Meistre:
I’m with you here on this, you’ll not hear me saying that I agree with the way DCPC is currently being implemented but the principle is sound.
I’ve been saying exactly that ever since it came out.
The basic idea behind initial and periodic DCPC is very good, but in my own opinion, the way that the UK has implemented it can only be put down to a (massively) missed opportunity. I’d even go as far as to say that I think we’ve all been let down by it.
Meistre:
Another thing I note on MANY of the courses I deliver, is the number of drivers who state that their controllers should attend these courses because they don’t know all the rules either. Many, many people in the traffic office don’t know the regulations and are giving the driver’s instructions, putting the driver’s licence, bank balance and income on the line.
This is almost always the case with my subject (ADR) and the comment I’ve heard the most is… “the boss has sent me to learn the Regulations.”
The reality is that the driver attends, learns what the driver’s responsibilities actually are, and passes exams to gain a driver’s licence to carry dangerous goods. A driver is NOT taught to gain a knowledge of the ADR Regulations, because ADR says that that’s the boss’ job (via the company’s DGSA) whether the boss likes it or not.
(A DGSA course is a completely different kettle of fish.)
Meistre:
I am hoping that DCPC informs drivers as to their exact position and liability at work and they subsequently put pressure BACK onto Traffic in an attempt to improve the industry as a whole. I wait with bated breath to see what happens…
I like your style, but my experience of doing that is that the blue touch paper burns rather too slowly. 
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well said quite a few of yawl, oops me eeengilsh has gone, we live in a multi cultural multi farsicle, eeengilish gone again, society why cant we av a rant without a full stop will vosa or elfn safety do us, point is what a ■■■■ industry this is cant wait to get out come september, keep paying to stay in work lads thats what the bottom line is
kevin0410:
albion1971:
kevin0410:
albion1971:
Your not as highly qualified as you seem to think!Muphrey’s Law strikes! It’s ‘You’re’.
Ha Ha who the hell is MUPHREY? Are you sure it should not be…you are…
No, I definitely meant Muphrey’s Law. Look it up.
You’re is a contraction of you are.
Must admit had not heard of muphrey but I know all about you’re and you are.
You have a valid point meins. I suppose it would be wrong to think we all have a grasp of all the rules and regs, however if the dcpc was better implemented testing to ensure we have learned something and just sat at the back and fell asleep that would be better I just think attending the same course over and over just to meet the requirements, is very wrong , however more testing over and above all other testing you may have to do just doing your daily job adr,lorry loader ,etc etc how many would want to be truck drivers. Asda shelf stacker. Bring it on!
yes CPC is a joke but we all have to do it
even my MD has had to do it and he wont drive a bus or lorry with people in but he might have to move one but he likes to drive the new ones around the block some times
I was thinking about this today (I’m currently doing an ADR course without the exams purely to get the CPC hours). I’m going to do a first aid course next year for the DCPC hours, and my ADR is up for renewal in August 2015, so that should get me all my DCPC hours up to 2025. I think. Anyway, the point is that I’d not have considered doing a first aid course at all if it wasn’t for the fact that I have to do something for my CPC. Maybe there is some value in having to get 35 hours’ training under your belt if you approach it in the right way?