Driver CPC set to be achieved on target

GasGas:
Driver Hire has just reported its busiest ever week…I suspect they are providing drivers to cover for drivers who are training.

This last week I went on holiday and every time I turned the phone on there were messages from three agencies asking me if I wanted to do any shifts - bear in mind it has been over half a decade since I’ve driven and I only mentioned to a couple of mates and a former agency I was thinking about getting driving again. Pay around here has increased at the agencies by £2/hr in the last few months.

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Meaningless, unsupportable “statistics”. Only time will truly tell which way the wind is blowing. Ive been on agency work for my current outfit for a few short weeks, and theyre already offering full time jobs to us temps to counter the defections of their permanent guys, who are moving on to better offers. As much as I despise them, I`m unsure whether to stay on agency for the moment and see how this situation develops. Heard that Foulger and Bartrums are also in the same boat. Might help their case if they offered more than the going rate for supermarket workers. :unamused:

Who’s to say the “better offers” are in fact the higher hourly rates now touted around agencies… whilst full time posts get their pay cut further “because we offer the security of regular hours” like…

Put it another way - WHO among full time recruiters are offering full time jobs with bumped-up payrates?
RM are not recruiting… Brakes are not recruiting artic drivers - just rigid ones. What’s the news around your way? :exclamation: :arrow_right:

Immigrant:
Cameron will step out of EU. Then it gets scrapped anywhy. :laughing:

Cameron couldn’t step out of a paper bag… The 2017 referendum isn’t going to happen, because that promise is based on him winning a majority next year - which isn’t going to happen either. The Tories couldn’t appeal to the ethnic vote in 2010, so what’s going to change in time for next year’s election? :open_mouth:

What is the obsession with ‘leaving the EU’ & linking it to DCPC being scrapped■■?

  1. IF, IF we as a nation decide to leave the EU tomorrow, then this will take at least 10 years to happen IMO.

  2. As has been mentioned Norway (a non-EU nation) and Switzerland (another non-EU nation) are voluntarily implementing DCPC as a mark of good practice - who says UK won’t take the same stance■■?

So, I don’t think DCPC is going anywhere in a hurry…concentrate on getting it improved. i.e. ALL relevant training counting towards the 35 hours, such as 2 hour site inductions, 3 hour manual handling courses. New vehicle/equipment familiarisation training - an hour here & an hour there - soon adds up & means less time in the classroom. Just my opinion like.

We are an island and a much smaller proportion of our driving workforce do so in continental Europe. Norway and Switzerland share land borders with EU member states so not doing it prejudices their ability to work elsewhere much more so.

Like everyone politicians are lazy and like things that keep the punters happy. The punters get fed up of sitting behind Tesco lorries pottering along at 40 and lo and behold the limit is going up to 50mph.

If there is any disruption to goods in the shops at Christmas it will very likely be ditched and JAUPT as well as others responsible will find themselves joining the former head of the DSA Rosemary Thew at the Job Centre (bit of irony as she was in charge of Job Centres before she was at the DSA).

Anyone who is yet to complete should note this:

Driving professionally without carrying your DQC carries a £50 fixed penalty. (That’s just the card)

Driving without a Driver CPC qualification may also lead to prosecution proceedings - with a £1,000 maximum penalty - for both the driver and the operator.

These offences will also be referred to the Traffic Commissioner, which could result in the suspension of the driver’s and/or the operator’s licence.

It’s too late to stop DCPC, as I agree with those who suggest it would take over 10 years to roll it back - even if we left the EU tomorrow.

What DOES happen “if we leave the eu” is that we can rip up all the treaties that are EU based, and stick “protectionist” policy in place…

For example, any truck driver entering this country with foreign plates (ie pays no UK taxes whatsoever) gets charged a visa fee at the port of entry.

In fact, there could be a school of thought that suggests that the “fee at port of entry” could be charged as “the difference in what a EU trucker gets paid - and what we get paid” - thus, their entire mass hoard do not get to push our wages down by working over here any more, by running goods to us for E200 per week, no road tax, no MOT, no PPE, and often No licences as well. :smiling_imp:

If we’re not able to enforce our own revenue laws upon others coming here - then we need to stop them coming here by a method that cannot be dodged, hence “port of entry” seems like a jolly good idea… I don’t think you’re going to get many trucks "sneaking across the channel at night, creeping up the beach, covered in what looks like British Livery (with spelling mistakes) and other such clandestine measures from those abroad that would come here on the cheap…

I wouldn’t have any problems with immigration at all - IF they all paid their way. NO tax offsets. NO benefits. PAY all the fees same as we have to pay etc etc… That’s not right-wing, xenophobic, or racist - it’s just me not liking having the ■■■■ taken out of us as a nation all the time…

Dream on Windseer. If we leave the EU, and that is as big an if as Scottish independence, do you REALLY believe that the government will start tearing up all that legislation?

I don’t think for a minute that very much will change. Yes to some curbs on EU migration (and don’t forget that they would likely be imposed on us too). Yes to escape from the EU court of so called justice. But if you think that any government will have the will, or even the wish, to tear up any of the repressive regulations to which modern lorry drivers are subject - think again.

Santa:
Dream on Windseer. If we leave the EU, and that is as big an if as Scottish independence, do you REALLY believe that the government will start tearing up all that legislation?

I don’t think for a minute that very much will change. Yes to some curbs on EU migration (and don’t forget that they would likely be imposed on us too). Yes to escape from the EU court of so called justice. But if you think that any government will have the will, or even the wish, to tear up any of the repressive regulations to which modern lorry drivers are subject - think again.

Agreed all these people who believe leaving the EU will be the answer to all thier problems are living in cloud cookoo land. No doubt migration will be Kerbed, well a bit, business will still rule the roost, our votes mean very little compared to thier donations to party funds. So when they complain they can’t get workers at the rate they’re willing to pay then special exceptions will be made.

The European court of human rights is not part of the EU, so leaving the EU won’t automatically mean we opt out of it.

As for charging foreign trucks at a port of entry, this can work both ways and again for business to continue to trade abroad they’ll have to be loads of bi-lateral agreements like Switzerland or we join the European economic area like Norway. And they’ll still be free trade agreement and free of movement.

And do any of you that think we’ll get rid of things like tachographs, drivers hours regulations, (see how many countries are part of the aetr regs) or the DCPC, because a few lorry driver don’t like, we are a very small minority and spread out so not very will represented in parliament, if we all lived in one area we could have our own MP. So really for any government our problems are pretty low priority, hence the appalling level of decent parking.

I agree that merely leaving the EU and doing nothing else is no good at all.

We need to leave, and implement/overturn policies as well - or it’s all for naught.

If we kept out of Europe 100 years ago, the “great war” would have been a European war in which the UK would have been neutral, and broker of peace deals - instead of just another EU state that wasted millions of lives over what? - bits of paper? Germany would eventually have been crushed by Russia over time, with too many of their forces occupying a freshly-conquered western Europe. Germany could never hope to come up with the sheer number of boots on the ground over time as Imperial Russia could. With Germany gone, and Imperial Russia secure - we would have had no Hitler AND No Stalin/Communist regime…

The entire Euro Project will eventually drag us into a another war we didn’t want. What happens for example - when unemployed south Europeans (especially “recent arrivals”!) start attacking us in the north? Too much enslavement, low wages, huge debts, and involvement with a wider world that merely means the EU will make the same mistake with the middle east as we did with Europe a century back… Too many males have migrated north already. The natural balance cannot remain so out of kilter for very long before Nature steps in, and re-balances: A war has always been the easiest way for menfolk to be killed en masse, and when there’s too many womenfolk - a pandemic usually redresses that imbalance. A century ago, we had one right after the other.

So… leaving the Euro AND having a new kind of government in this country would be required both at the same time… A new government to stop ■■■■■■■ about and get some proper hard-line policies in place. It’s upto us here to make sure this new leader doesn’t go on to lose their marbles, and become another Hitler or whatever…

Cameron isn’t promising even a referendum on Europe - because unlike Scotland - It’s well-known in advance that you have to be pretty well heeled to benefit from staying in. Any referendum held would go massively in favour of leaving. Once out, it would be bad for the rich, bad for employers, and bad for those in high office. Good for the general population - once they get past the lies that’ll be told them to sway them to vote the other way…

The “Yes” camp in Scotland never really had massive majority support in the first place - so there’s really no comparison. It’s even weaker now, as time goes on as well.

I’m no dafter than those who said “A war is coming” in 1910. Few could see it then, and the country didn’t prepare as a result. You don’t “avert” a war that is coming because of long term policy abuses - you prepare for it.

How many had heard of “ISIS” (beyond a reference to an ancient Egyptian godess) a year back?
What do we do if a number of Muslim nations gang-up on Israel in response to their recent genocide policies? Fancy getting called up to fight FOR Israel - because they control enough states and banks & big businesses to kinda “make” us do it?

What do we do when, right here in the UK - we are outbred by the (“southern”) immigrant population, and start being attacked on our own doorsteps by that new majority? You don’t have the right to defend you and yours already. What happens when your entire family’s lives are on the line, and you cannot act until it is too late? Don’t think for a moment that “bands of fanatics going around systematically murdering everyone” cannot happen here!
The demographic projections as they stand - would suggest that it WILL come here - sooner or later.

These things creep up on the unwary, and it’s only a matter of time now until all the hate on this overpopulated planet comes home to roost here as well. :frowning:

^^^^ Wow…It’s only Driver CPC when all said & done!!!

How did we get onto this■■?

This is what happens when the lid is removed from Pandora"s Box.The elephant in the room has been ignored for far too long.

Drivers DCPC is just another piece of bull we put up with, roll over, and get on with it - that never had our consent.

I wonder how many VOSA will be pulling over next month

“Can I see your blue card please sir?”

“No speke English!”

“On your way then… I’ll find some home-grown talent to bust instead.”

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Santa:
Dream on Windseer. If we leave the EU, and that is as big an if as Scottish independence, do you REALLY believe that the government will start tearing up all that legislation?

I don’t think for a minute that very much will change. Yes to some curbs on EU migration (and don’t forget that they would likely be imposed on us too). Yes to escape from the EU court of so called justice. But if you think that any government will have the will, or even the wish, to tear up any of the repressive regulations to which modern lorry drivers are subject - think again.

  • 1 the proof is in the pudding. Our systems would just keep half the stuff. It’s become too much of a habit. For example, we’re the only gluttons to slavishly agree to everything that comes out of the court of human rights, as if - as British people we’re devoid of judgement and need a child like guiding hand on such matters. Even so far it can see a man, here illegally, wiping out a little Girl then driving off from the scene. He then (this is what grinds my acorns) has the gall and lack of guilt and personal recourse of human right to then challenge the courts and take his rebuttle to the European court of human rights to escape deportation on grounds of being a father himself. Other countries agree to the decrees that make sense, but apply judgement to some of the liberal nonsense that comes from that court.

The latest young generation is so hell bent on what they perceive (incorrectly and naively) as liberalism they sign up to everything, everyone, every shouty mouth and every dictatorial religion going to happily sell England by the pound (my old man liked Geneisis, what can I say) with or without the EU.

Sorry this has turned into a bit of a rant, I sound like Farage!

Winseer:
Put it another way - WHO among full time recruiters are offering full time jobs with bumped-up payrates?
RM are not recruiting… Brakes are not recruiting artic drivers - just rigid ones. What’s the news around your way? :exclamation: :arrow_right:

No decent outfit is recruiting, bumped up rates or not. In my area I’ve been struggling to find a full time job for years:!:

So… There’s plenty of indecent outfits recruiting then? :unamused:

Large firms block book drivers from agencies. They might well never recruit full timers again - unless they can’t get agency cover for the crappiest jobs they have.

Medium firms can’t actually find any drivers, so are forced to use agency…

Small firms won’t use agency, but have enough raw recruits happy to work for minimum wage, that for now at least - they can still recruit, and prosper.
There might even be some “yard loyalty” from the 20-somethings brought up with a different ethos to the rest of the labour market…

In a downturn, the agency drivers are the first to see their hourly rates stagnate, and left on the sidelines - like January these past few years.

In an upturn? - The agency driver will constantly be offered jobs at the places they work, but shrewdly turn them down, because taking a full time job by this point actually means a pay cut - and who wants that in exchange for “regular hours” which is meaningless - because the agency driver is flat-out already every week, and is turning away work from other agencies on a regular basis as well… :bulb:

If there’s ever going to be a genuine shortage of drivers - it has to be agency first. There’s only x number of drivers, but always another agency pops up…

They are going to be recruiting each other’s drivers. They won’t want to offer more money, except for the crappiest jobs…

Drivers wise to the way agencies work will stick to the ones that bugger them about the least.

If the faltering agency is owned by a holding company with bottomless pockets - then we’ll have the daft scenario of “too many agencies with no work at all, but none go bust - because they are a tax loss to the larger holding company”. A small agency trying it on like this would go to the wall quickly - so the small agency does NOT bugger it’s drivers about, and we should all perhaps start making tracks towards those small agencies for that reason. :bulb:

That’s where the regular hours are. That’s where the decent hourly rates are to be had. That’s where you can pick and choose what work you want - and not see situations where the “phone stops ringing” just because you turned down that stupid O’clock start last week. :wink:

Think winseer sums it up nicely

I concur Winseer , I took a fulltime job in Jan since then Ive been offered more agency work than when I was agency at very good rates to, so much so that come next year ill be back to the agency, if of course the top rates hold up in that time.

Every full time job I’ve ever started - started in January.

At the time, and even since - I always thought that “January” was a popular start month for employers because it got them out of having to pay you a CHristmas bonus for nearly a year… Ie a skinflint move. Now though? - I reckon there are other reasons as already stated in this thread…