rivits:
Which brings me to the Drivers CPC. Call me cynical but how can sitting in a classroom for 35hrs every 5yrs improve the standards of a veteran driver or learn a new driver anything?
Look at the dumbass questions asked in this forum about even basic drivers hours rules by drivers who’ve been doing it for years and there’s your answer. How many veteran drivers think you can legally do more than three 15hr shifts a week as long as you take 11hrs off?
er…I have just completed the DCPC and one of the things we covered yesterday was that you CAN do more than three 15hr shifts in one week. Go and study WTD and then learn about POA. You can’t WORK more than 15 hours three times, but you certainly CAN do more than three 15hr shifts.
All the courses I’ve done have had too much time filler and stuff not tailored to the drivers attending. How many hours of a drivers’ 35 is the introductions? At Smiths we did the EPIC course, one instructor wasted ages getting people to introduce themselves. WTF for when we either worked for Smiths or were employed by subbies who hauled for them on most days? I bet another 2 hours per course is hearing/being subjected to drivers’ “experiences” which is similar to RDC waiting room ■■■■■■■■, then there must be at least an hour of stuff unrelated to the job in question; In my case it was safety when delivering/loading tarmac. When actually nobody in the room had a truck capable of hauling it.
Knock off what you already know then take off the time filling in the trainers and course appraisal form and you’ve done maybe 3 hours of valuable training, padded out to the required 7.
£70 per day plus lost income means it will cost me approximately £200 per day to read a book since i am not interested in listening to some guy who cant do my job, telling me how to do my job
i am looking for someone who will take my money but will let me sit at home instead. I am willing to give up a 6th shift but i don’t like the idea of losing a normal working day. Zero interest in the course, i just want the card
scanny77:
£70 per day plus lost income means it will cost me approximately £200 per day to read a book since i am not interested in listening to some guy who cant do my job, telling me how to do my job
i am looking for someone who will take my money but will let me sit at home instead. I am willing to give up a 6th shift but i don’t like the idea of losing a normal working day. Zero interest in the course, i just want the card
The guy who took my week long course was not only a DCPC instructor, a company O licence holder, a bus driver, held a class 1 HGV licence and had worked as a tramper. He was also an ADR instructor and had spent time driving ADR tankers, been a tipper driver, driven low loaders and slow overweight stuff too. It’s good to know your crystal ball is working so well.
I thought I knew it all before the course…I didn’t, and I know think I’m less likely to infringe or get into trouble with VOSA or my employers.
scanny77:
£70 per day plus lost income means it will cost me approximately £200 per day to read a book since i am not interested in listening to some guy who cant do my job, telling me how to do my job
i am looking for someone who will take my money but will let me sit at home instead. I am willing to give up a 6th shift but i don’t like the idea of losing a normal working day. Zero interest in the course, i just want the card
The guy who took my week long course was not only a DCPC instructor, a company O licence holder, a bus driver, held a class 1 HGV licence and had worked as a tramper. He was also an ADR instructor and had spent time driving ADR tankers, been a tipper driver, driven low loaders and slow overweight stuff too. It’s good to know your crystal ball is working so well.
I thought I knew it all before the course…I didn’t, and I now think I’m less likely to infringe or get into trouble with VOSA or my employers.
truckyboy:
i learned for 50 years all need to know about transport
It is completely impossible to do a job for 50 years and not have to learn something. The job changes dramatically over that period of time from the wagons you drive to the legislation surrounding the industry.
It’s completely possible to work on supermarket store deliveries for many decades and the job not change in the slightest and if they’re all happily delivering goods to stores safely and compliantly I can’t see how introducing training they don’t need adds anything but confusion
scanny77:
£70 per day plus lost income means it will cost me approximately £200 per day to read a book since i am not interested in listening to some guy who cant do my job, telling me how to do my job
i am looking for someone who will take my money but will let me sit at home instead. I am willing to give up a 6th shift but i don’t like the idea of losing a normal working day. Zero interest in the course, i just want the card
The guy who took my week long course was not only a DCPC instructor, a company O licence holder, a bus driver, held a class 1 HGV licence and had worked as a tramper. He was also an ADR instructor and had spent time driving ADR tankers, been a tipper driver, driven low loaders and slow overweight stuff too. It’s good to know your crystal ball is working so well.
I thought I knew it all before the course…I didn’t, and I know think I’m less likely to infringe or get into trouble with VOSA or my employers.
one option i have is pay £70 per day for a recruitment consultant to take the course. That is an option for ME, not you or anyone else and does not suggest that each and every trainer is a pen pusher with no more than a cat B licence
I think that the experience that Born Idle had should be the norm rather than the exception.My DCPC trainer spoke ■■■■■■■■ ,he said that you cant drive a bendy bus or a unit without an E licence .I put him right and we argued until he phoned his boss who also put him right.We can find out what we need to know on here or from the folk that we work with.As It stands the the DCPC helps no one.
I think that anybody no matter what line of business they are in resents when they have done their job to a competent level for years to suddenly be told they need to retrain to do the same job causes resentment. The amount of bull to come out of the EU is getting beyond a joke e.g. a window cleaner needing a training certificate to climb a ladder. It makes a laugh out of the democratic process that a load of unelected bureaucrats such as failed politician Neil Kinnock can dictate what we can & cannot do. It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth when our elected government in London then bows down to these clowns and acts as an enforcer of stupid legislation although its fair to say that generally the legislation they enforce upon us generally involve huge revenue gains such as the landfill tax, VAT on electricity, gas etc and this ridiculous cpc. Then we get the old ’ it is not us its the EU’ well as far as I remember the EEC was about free movement of goods between member states i.e. a trading community not an organisation for dictating what length or shape a banana should be. An absolute disgrace.
rivits:
I think that anybody no matter what line of business they are in resents when they have done their job to a competent level for years to suddenly be told they need to retrain to do the same job causes resentment. The amount of bull to come out of the EU is getting beyond a joke e.g. a window cleaner needing a training certificate to climb a ladder. It makes a laugh out of the democratic process that a load of unelected bureaucrats such as failed politician Neil Kinnock can dictate what we can & cannot do. It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth when our elected government in London then bows down to these clowns and acts as an enforcer of stupid legislation although its fair to say that generally the legislation they enforce upon us generally involve huge revenue gains such as the landfill tax, VAT on electricity, gas etc and this ridiculous cpc. Then we get the old ’ it is not us its the EU’ well as far as I remember the EEC was about free movement of goods between member states i.e. a trading community not an organisation for dictating what length or shape a banana should be. An absolute disgrace.
Being told what to do is rife. Some people want you to wear seat belts or get a fine when its nothing to do with them what you do with yourself.
rivits:
I think that anybody no matter what line of business they are in resents when they have done their job to a competent level for years to suddenly be told they need to retrain to do the same job causes resentment. The amount of bull to come out of the EU is getting beyond a joke e.g. a window cleaner needing a training certificate to climb a ladder. It makes a laugh out of the democratic process that a load of unelected bureaucrats such as failed politician Neil Kinnock can dictate what we can & cannot do. It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth when our elected government in London then bows down to these clowns and acts as an enforcer of stupid legislation although its fair to say that generally the legislation they enforce upon us generally involve huge revenue gains such as the landfill tax, VAT on electricity, gas etc and this ridiculous cpc. Then we get the old ’ it is not us its the EU’ well as far as I remember the EEC was about free movement of goods between member states i.e. a trading community not an organisation for dictating what length or shape a banana should be. An absolute disgrace.
Being told what to do is rife. Some people want you to wear seat belts or get a fine when its nothing to do with them what you do with yourself.
well seatbelts are for your own safety m8, was that a dig I suspect■■?
rivits:
I think that anybody no matter what line of business they are in resents when they have done their job to a competent level for years to suddenly be told they need to retrain to do the same job causes resentment. The amount of bull to come out of the EU is getting beyond a joke e.g. a window cleaner needing a training certificate to climb a ladder. It makes a laugh out of the democratic process that a load of unelected bureaucrats such as failed politician Neil Kinnock can dictate what we can & cannot do. It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth when our elected government in London then bows down to these clowns and acts as an enforcer of stupid legislation although its fair to say that generally the legislation they enforce upon us generally involve huge revenue gains such as the landfill tax, VAT on electricity, gas etc and this ridiculous cpc. Then we get the old ’ it is not us its the EU’ well as far as I remember the EEC was about free movement of goods between member states i.e. a trading community not an organisation for dictating what length or shape a banana should be. An absolute disgrace.
Being told what to do is rife. Some people want you to wear seat belts or get a fine when its nothing to do with them what you do with yourself.
well seatbelts are for your own safety m8, was that a dig I suspect■■?
No its not a dig. I’m just pointing out what i see as a flaw in your thought process. A certificate to show a window cleaner can get up his ladder safley is for his saftey? You think this is a joke somehow? But when it comes to a seatbelt you’re right on it and you’ll refuse to drive them. But given someone chancing his neck up a ladder you’re happy for him to just crack on ? I got it right didn’t i, or have i misread you?
nick2008:
I aint gonna read all this but seat belts are for everyones safety .
INSIDE the vehicle they are in and other vehicles yes people that get thrown from vehicle 1 can cause other problems for other road users,
You should read it all really Nick, its good !! Seat belts are all about saving lives, and the DCPC is all about making sure people know what they’re doing, thereby saving lives !
As far as seatbelts go the worldwide automotive standard of safety restraints is the now standard 3 point seatbelt which was actually invented by The Volvo Car Corporation of Gothenburg, Sweden. As it was a proven safety feature Volvo chose not to apply a patent and allow other manufacturers to use their invention. Had they put a patent on this invention they would probably never have to have made another car, truck or ball-bearing ( Volvo was originally a bearing manufacturer, Volvo being Latin for ‘I roll’ ) through the cash they could have raised through licencing of their invention so please do not try and tell me the law of wearing seatbelts is in anyway similar to the drivers cpc nonsense. I would expect everybody whether a motorist, lorry driver, bus driver or passenger of any kind of road moving vehicle to belt up FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY. A window cleaner climbing up a ladder as has been pointed out to me is not travelling in the region of 56 -62 mph like a lorry driver or a bus passenger is moving at or am I missing something MIKE
rivits:
As far as seatbelts go the worldwide automotive standard of safety restraints is the now standard 3 point seatbelt which was actually invented by The Volvo Car Corporation of Gothenburg, Sweden. As it was a proven safety feature Volvo chose not to apply a patent and allow other manufacturers to use their invention. Had they put a patent on this invention they would probably never have to have made another car, truck or ball-bearing ( Volvo was originally a bearing manufacturer, Volvo being Latin for ‘I roll’ ) through the cash they could have raised through licencing of their invention so please do not try and tell me the law of wearing seatbelts is in anyway similar to the drivers cpc nonsense. I would expect everybody whether a motorist, lorry driver, bus driver or passenger of any kind of road moving vehicle to belt up FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY. A window cleaner climbing up a ladder as has been pointed out to me is not travelling in the region of 56 -62 mph like a lorry driver or a bus passenger is moving at or am I missing something MIKE
And being a building site labourer for a few years before I entered into transport I am well aware of the proper procedure of climbing a ladder, a lot safer than the tree climbing I did as a kid!!!
rivits:
I think that anybody no matter what line of business they are in resents when they have done their job to a competent level for years to suddenly be told they need to retrain to do the same job causes resentment. The amount of bull to come out of the EU is getting beyond a joke e.g. a window cleaner needing a training certificate to climb a ladder. It makes a laugh out of the democratic process that a load of unelected bureaucrats such as failed politician Neil Kinnock can dictate what we can & cannot do. It leaves a very bad taste in the mouth when our elected government in London then bows down to these clowns and acts as an enforcer of stupid legislation although its fair to say that generally the legislation they enforce upon us generally involve huge revenue gains such as the landfill tax, VAT on electricity, gas etc and this ridiculous cpc. Then we get the old ’ it is not us its the EU’ well as far as I remember the EEC was about free movement of goods between member states i.e. a trading community not an organisation for dictating what length or shape a banana should be. An absolute disgrace.
Being told what to do is rife. Some people want you to wear seat belts or get a fine when its nothing to do with them what you do with yourself.
well seatbelts are for your own safety m8, was that a dig I suspect■■?
No its not a dig. I’m just pointing out what i see as a flaw in your thought process. A certificate to show a window cleaner can get up his ladder safley is for his saftey? You think this is a joke somehow? But when it comes to a seatbelt you’re right on it and you’ll refuse to drive them. But given someone chancing his neck up a ladder you’re happy for him to just crack on ? I got it right didn’t i, or have i misread you?
You missed motorbike helmets, how can that affect anyone but the motorcyclist - ok, someone’s gotta pick up the bits of brains when I crash, but that keeps them in a job surely
