Which was the first vehicle in which the driver sat over the steering wheel rather than behind it like they do in older lorry’s, just wondered
You may be better asking this on the old time forum,I doutb there are many on here who’ve driven a lorry with out a steering uj shaft .
Dan Punchard:
You may be better asking this on the old time forum,I doutb there are many on here who’ve driven a lorry with out a steering uj shaft .
I just keep looking at the old wagon pics on here and I just got me wondering who made the change
Was it a myth that you could spot an Atkinson driver in a cafe by his hunchback, caused by the driving position?
I’m pretty sure safety improved.
Do you mean cab over/forward control as opposed conventional/normal control.In which case the former is usually characterised by the vertical steering column with steering box beneath it using a drag link to the rearward set front axle and as a result more horizontal angle set wheel.
As opposed to the latter in which the steering column goes out ahead through the bulkhead to the forward set front axle thereby resulting in a more vertical angle set wheel.
In which case,with the exception of possibly more adjustment possibility built into the column allowing a more vertical wheel setting on newer forward control designs,it’s just an issue of design configuration to date not old v new.Although personally I always preferred the typical forward control horizontal wheel position v the typically more vertically angled normal control type. 
Carryfast:
Do you mean cab over/forward control as opposed conventional/normal control.In which case the former is usually characterised by the vertical steering column with steering box beneath it using a drag link to the rearward set front axle and as a result more horizontal angle set wheel.As opposed to the latter in which the steering column goes out ahead through the bulkhead to the forward set front axle thereby resulting in a more vertical angle set wheel.
In which case,with the exception of possibly more adjustment possibility built into the column allowing a more vertical wheel setting on newer forward control designs,it’s just an issue of design configuration to date not old v new.Although personally I always preferred the typical forward control horizontal wheel position v the typically more vertically angled normal control type.
Did you seriously just restrict yourself to a mere three paragraphs there? You can do better than that, come on. Thatcher, EU, Immigration, A trains, B trains, Drawbars the 70s. That should give you something to go on for round two after a bit of google and youtube research.
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast:
Do you mean cab over/forward control as opposed conventional/normal control.In which case the former is usually characterised by the vertical steering column with steering box beneath it using a drag link to the rearward set front axle and as a result more horizontal angle set wheel.As opposed to the latter in which the steering column goes out ahead through the bulkhead to the forward set front axle thereby resulting in a more vertical angle set wheel.
In which case,with the exception of possibly more adjustment possibility built into the column allowing a more vertical wheel setting on newer forward control designs,it’s just an issue of design configuration to date not old v new.Although personally I always preferred the typical forward control horizontal wheel position v the typically more vertically angled normal control type.
Did you seriously just restrict yourself to a mere three paragraphs there? You can do better than that, come on. Thatcher, EU, Immigration, A trains, B trains, Drawbars the 70s. That should give you something to go on for round two after a bit of google and youtube research.
Considering the question was just about relative steering wheel positions and nothing else that’s the question I answered.As usual with no need for any involvement with google or youtube in the form of any so called ‘research’.
So exactly what contribution did you intend to make to the OP’s question other than to have a go at mine. 
Wot 'e ackshurely arsked wos What lorry first had forward control.
peterm:
Wot 'e ackshurely arsked wos What lorry first had forward control.
If that actually was the question then Commer, FWD (and no doubt many other’s) made forward control lorries well before WW1.
Pete.
windrush:
peterm:
Wot 'e ackshurely arsked wos What lorry first had forward control.If that actually was the question then Commer, FWD (and no doubt many other’s) made forward control lorries well before WW1.
Pete.
Which is why I said that the different types of configuration isn’t really an issue of old design v new.IE it’s still possible to buy a new conventional/normal control truck while finding relatively very old examples of forward control/cab over designs,as described above,in museums.
While if the question was when were tilting steering columns introduced on forward control.From memory I think the old Scania 112 at least had some serious tilt adjustment provision for anyone who preferred a more vertical set wheel position.
I suppose that when full tilt cabs became the ‘norm’ and uj’s were required on the steering shaft, as opposed to the Ergomatic and Foden versions where the drivers seat and steering column remained fixed to the chassis and the cab tilted around them, then it was easy to make the steering column adjustable. The Foden S80 column was adjustable for rake, 1972/3 I think, and the later Fodens could be raised or lowered as well. However I haven’t a clue which truck was the first to have had the vertical steering wheel adjustment facility as I have never driven a non British truck!
Pete.
AEC ergo cab…great driving position. …in my humble opinion
I think Carryfast maybe right the 2 series scania you could realy tilt the wheel so it was almost in a car steering wheel position.
The volvo fl10 was the same can’t remember if the f10/12 was the same as I’ve never driven one and it’s been years since I even saw the inside of one
kr79:
I think Carryfast maybe right the 2 series scania you could realy tilt the wheel so it was almost in a car steering wheel position.
The volvo fl10 was the same can’t remember if the f10/12 was the same as I’ve never driven one and it’s been years since I even saw the inside of one
The F10 probably also had a similar adjustment but I can’t remember exactly because the one I used was always left as I wanted it which mean’t as near as possible to London Routemaster bus driving position. 
I remembered the Scania which was a long term rental not one of our own and whoever was driving it on the firm was adjusting it as you’ve described and I had to re adjust it every time I started my shift. 
When you see the old motors with LAD cab, old fodens , ERFs , the old Traders and the foreign motors the drivers are sat behind the wheel, I just wondered who made the first one were the driver was sat over the wheel which became the normal and what seems to be the standard position in all lorry’s now im just getting old and these silly questions pop in to your head 
Carryfast:
the one I used was always left as I wanted it which mean’t as near as possible to London Routemaster bus driving position.
No wonder you retired early through ill health! 
atlas man:
When you see the old motors with LAD cab, old fodens , ERFs , the old Traders and the foreign motors the drivers are sat behind the wheel, I just wondered who made the first one were the driver was sat over the wheel which became the normal and what seems to be the standard position in all lorry’s now im just getting old and these silly questions pop in to your head
I’d guess that you’re being confused by what are a few examples of certain forward control cab over designs which had a more set forward engine position relative to the front of the cab.Which thereby had a relatively more horizontal angled steering column position and therefore more vertical wheel position.As opposed to the more vertical column and horizontal wheel which characterises most forward control designs.
The best example to show the comparative difference is that Routemaster bus example v Bedford R type.
youtube.com/watch?v=s58Ik4NkBmw
youtube.com/watch?v=7th-yT2zZAc
None of which has anything to do with development time lines.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
the one I used was always left as I wanted it which mean’t as near as possible to London Routemaster bus driving position.No wonder you retired early through ill health!
Blimey that would have mean’t an under 50 retirement age for every London bus driver and most truck drivers. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
the one I used was always left as I wanted it which mean’t as near as possible to London Routemaster bus driving position.No wonder you retired early through ill health!
Blimey that would have mean’t an under 50 retirement age for every London bus driver and most truck drivers.
It was a joke. Quite why you’d want to sit like that though is beyond me. I’ve driven busses with that arrangement, painful