DQC do those with D1 (101) get PCV?

Any pre 1997 drivers out there with only the pre D1 (101) and no other PCV categories got the PCV covered on their DQC as well as the LGV?

I would imagine that many of us with pre 1997 car test passes have passed the DSA/DVSA test(s) for LGV but not PCV

I am one of those but do not have a DQC so cannot check this

It is my understanding that a pre 97 D1 (101) is counted as a vocational category but not automatically.

As far as I know you can contact DVSA (might be DVLA?) and ask them to add the vocational bit which would then trigger a new DQC with C’s and D’s on it.

I haven’t as yet met anyone with D1 (101) who has done this or received a DQC with D on it.

I also can’t think of a situation where someone would need a DQC but be driving on a 101 restriction. I take it there are such circumstances but I can’t think what they are.

Of course if you were going to go and get a D category - you could avoid the initial CPC by getting the vocational bit added now.

Of course - being a DCPC trainer I stand a good chance of being wrong.

Thinking about it I’ve got my DQC with just C’s on it so I’ll contact DVSA and see if I can get acquired rights added for my D1(101)

Scenario with D1 (101)

Guests stay at hotel which is 5 miles from nearest town
Free minibus to town is a listed option which guests might like to take up

Minibus driver is a waiter with only a pre 97 D1 (101)

Guests do not pay to use it nor is it included as a paid part of their stay - only a free option

That means the waiter can drive it but according to the DVSA the driver needs a DQC … but here is the rub … periodic DCPC hours cannot be uploaded for PCV unless the driver has passed a PCV test … OR HAVE I GOT THAT WRONG?

This is why I need to find out if those with D1 (101) only have PCV on their DQC along with the LGV

ROG:
Scenario with D1 (101)

Guests stay at hotel which is 5 miles from nearest town
Free minibus to town is a listed option which guests might like to take up

Minibus driver is a waiter with only a pre 97 D1 (101)

Guests do not pay to use it nor is it included as a paid part of their stay - only a free option

That means the waiter can drive it but according to the DVSA the driver needs a DQC … but here is the rub … periodic DCPC hours cannot be uploaded for PCV unless the driver has passed a PCV test … OR HAVE I GOT THAT WRONG?

This is why I need to find out if those with D1 (101) only have PCV on their DQC along with the LGV

Sorry but courtesy mini bus services are counted as “hire and reward” therefore having a restriction code of 101 means it cannot be driven.

You will not receive a DQC for D1 (101) because you cannot driver commercially on that license.

bobdebouwer:
Sorry but courtesy mini bus services are counted as “hire and reward” therefore having a restriction code of 101 means it cannot be driven.

Where did you get your info from :question: - I got mine by letter from DVLA/DFT via my MP

ROG:

bobdebouwer:
Sorry but courtesy mini bus services are counted as “hire and reward” therefore having a restriction code of 101 means it cannot be driven.

Where did you get your info from :question: - I got mine by letter from DVLA/DFT via my MP

As much as you’re right in what you said above Rog about any Tom, ■■■■ or Harry driving them, I think bob might be correct because the driver is being paid whilst driving it, how can it not be for reward?
I think that Brittania Hotel accident years ago cleared it up and they now SHOULD (but won’t always be) without the 101 restriction.

Being paid does not mean its H&R

The criteria is what the vehicle is being used for

A LGV driver can drive the company artic for free but if its on a commercial run then it comes under all the usual H&R rules

A council worker gets paid to drive a community minibus - that is legal under D1 101

http://adiforum.co.uk/forum/discussion/13316/minibus-driving-and-the-d1-101-exclusion/p1

All quite clear, if you drive a minibus as part of your job you need a vocational license.

Council workers drive under section 19 rules meaning they are exempt.

You can drive a minibus without even having D1 (101) on your license but only under certain circumstances and it has to be in the voluntary sector.

You need to find how the definition of hire and reward relates to the driving of a minibus being used by a company where there are no fare paying passengers which is what my MP did by contacting the ministers and their legal advisers in the DfT

Payment for providing transport
The legal term for this is ‘hire or reward’. It’s any payment, in cash or kind, which gives a person the right to be carried on the vehicle, regardless of whether or not that right is exercised. Hire or reward takes place if the journey is organised in a way that goes beyond the bounds of mere social kindness.

The payment may be made by the passenger or on the passenger’s behalf. It may be a direct payment, eg a fare or an indirect payment such as a membership subscription. Where indirect payments are made in respect of other services (rather than specifically for the transport) they are still likely to be viewed by the courts as hire or reward because anyone who hadn’t made the payment would have no right to be carried.

The courts have taken a broad view of what constitutes “hire or reward”, and may consider indirect payments to be hire or reward. If you are in any doubt over whether your organisation operates vehicles for hire or reward you should seek further advice.
If no charge is made either directly or indirectly for services that include carriage on the vehicle then no permit is required.

EDIT
Also
http://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3113

bobdebouwer:
The courts have taken a broad view of what constitutes “hire or reward”, and may consider indirect payments to be hire or reward

That is why each case is individual and until the high court sets something in case law then this will always be a grey area

Back to the topic … anyone got PCV on a DQC with just having a D1 101 :question:

ROG:
Back to the topic … anyone got PCV on a DQC with just having a D1 101 :question:

Sorry, forgot about your actual question.

I didnt pass til March 2000 so I dont have that on mine but from reading the below everyone who passed pre-1997 should have it on their DQC.

ROG:

bobdebouwer:
The courts have taken a broad view of what constitutes “hire or reward”, and may consider indirect payments to be hire or reward

That is why each case is individual and until the high court sets something in case law then this will always be a grey area

Back to the topic … anyone got PCV on a DQC with just having a D1 101 :question:

it’s not on mine

Ta folks - it seems that a D1 101 will not get PCV on a DQC as I suspected so the DVSA stating that drivers using their D1 101 must get 35 hours periodic is going to be impossible to do

This sort of thing comes up in the education sector.E.G. if the teacher drives the hockey team to an away match and the parents agree to pay X amount for the vehicle costs its vocational.If the costs are rounded up and come from the general school budget then no DCPC required.I learned this on the DCPC course so it has to be correct :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

alamcculloch:
This sort of thing comes up in the education sector.E.G. if the teacher drives the hockey team to an away match and the parents agree to pay X amount for the vehicle costs its vocational.If the costs are rounded up and come from the general school budget then no DCPC required.I learned this on the DCPC course so it has to be correct :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

That is not what the DVSA are saying - they say that even if no payment is made then although it can be driven on a D1 101 the driver must have dcpc … dcpc hours cannot be uploaded for PCV on a D1 101 so how do they expect that to happen■■?

Hi all I have a pre 1997 licence and it still has 101 on d1 and only c1 c c+e on my dcpc ? If that helps

ovy:
Hi all I have a pre 1997 licence and it still has 101 on d1 and only c1 c c+e on my dcpc ? If that helps

It does help - thanks

I have pre-97 licence, which initially only had c categories on it. Last February I contacted DSA and asked for d categories to be put on, as advised by the course provider, so that the AFR course hours could be counted towards the next session (due to the 6year session for d categories to line them up with c categories). I got a new card issued with both c and d (all cats), but couldn’t get the hours added as it was only valid if you already had dqc at the time of the cat d deadline.

So simple answer is yes, you can get the categories added with a d1-101, but it doesn’t seem to do a lot :slight_smile: