stevejones:
well that genius on last post sums up the mentallity of some muppets
Is it the mentality of a muppet or the mentality of a professional driver trying to protect himself from a huge fine or worse by checking his trailer a couple of time, you are covering your own arse basically as fairly or unfairly you are responsible for what’s in or on your vehicle, imagine if a few bin bags full of class A drugs found their way in with the clandestine’s, not being arsed with checking the trailer will be cold comfort to you and your family when you’re doing 12 years
jessicas dad:
Block dover on a saturday… don’t make me laugh, its the quietest day lol.
Actually I think its an ideal day to do it, think about how many holiday makers will be held up, it’s only not busy with freight. Although to be fair I think its a waste of time personally.
Checking your trailer i don’t have a problem with, but sometimes(the majority of times) you can’t open your doors and look inside it, because it will be sealed, by one of many types of seal, break that and you risk the load getting rejected (explain that to your boss) No only this but sometimes the trailer wil be stacked 2 plts high, leaving around 6-12inches of space to the roof, so without a ladder how is a driver supposed to check it, not only that but Elf and saftey would have somthing to say about it, and should a driver fall then what wh’s going to pay the bills ?
Also all those that get caught at calais by the body snatchers, ukba or the security who man the lanes with the dog(the only reliable method of clandestine detection) used at the port , As i know of a driver who had the heartbeat device used on his trl which didn’t detect any movement,(But the dog was able to smell them) So it’s probably a useless blag,when they can be bothered to actually use it that is
truckyboy:
Absolutely…if it involves truckers, they have to stop them protesting, but our Muslim brothers can do whatever they want,insults left right and centre against a country they hate and want to hurt.
U ■■■ why do you have to bring muslims into something totally non related you pea brain
tommy t:
Checking your trailer i don’t have a problem with, but sometimes(the majority of times) you can’t open your doors and look inside it, because it will be sealed, by one of many types of seal, break that and you risk the load getting rejected (explain that to your boss) No only this but sometimes the trailer wil be stacked 2 plts high, leaving around 6-12inches of space to the roof, so without a ladder how is a driver supposed to check it, not only that but Elf and saftey would have somthing to say about it, and should a driver fall then what wh’s going to pay the bills ?
Also all those that get caught at calais by the body snatchers, ukba or the security who man the lanes with the dog(the only reliable method of clandestine detection) used at the port , As i know of a driver who had the heartbeat device used on his trl which didn’t detect any movement, So it’s probably useless,when they can be bothered to actually use it that is
You can always get it re sealed at the co2 or ukba with paper work stamped . I bet it will cause your boss and customer more problems with you turning up with a load of people in the back ■■■■■■■■ all over the load then the load being ruined and a big insurance claim for your boss to deal with .
Only way it would work would be if everyone stopped at the bottom of the linkspan, got out the ladder and the torch, and thoroughly checked the tractor and trailer.
Would only work at Calais though, too late at Dover, but think of the chaos. Of course it won’t happen because everyone wants to get home, don’t they?
gmccabe13:
Is there any other industry were u get fined when the authorities don’t do there job correctly
It ain’t the authorities it’s drivers not doing their job. it is our responsibility to make proper checks and measures that A . They don’t get in in the first place . And B . If they do get in you make sure u turf them out before you get to the boat and check again b4 you get off the boat. I think most uk drivers have the grasp of how bad the situation is it’s mainly drivers from other countries where it isn’t in the media that get caught out by it
Would be interested to know when you were last out there, the other week when they tried to storm the port I was leaving Calais heading to Belgium the road into the port was strewn with objects designed to slow the traffic enabling them to jump on board lorries. A few years back I would of had no problem turfing out any illegals but things have changed now and you risk putting yourself in danger if you attempt it. The problem you then have is that should you have an illegal what to do? Pull into the port where it is safe and alert the French authorities and they will deal with it for you however alert the UK authorities and even though you have informed them of the problem you will still incur a fine, yes it will be reduced on appeal in the majority of cases. Would you expect to be fined if you rang the police to inform of a break in to your house and the burglars were still on the premises yet your trailer gets broken into and it is your fault. The illegals are getting more and more ingenious and when the break in is done properly will leave no trace of the break in remember that the people traffickers are assisting them in getting on board and covering up any signs. Personally now I do not stop within 4 hours of Calais but that is not either practical or possible for everyone
tommy t:
Checking your trailer i don’t have a problem with, but sometimes(the majority of times) you can’t open your doors and look inside it, because it will be sealed, by one of many types of seal, break that and you risk the load getting rejected (explain that to your boss) No only this but sometimes the trailer wil be stacked 2 plts high, leaving around 6-12inches of space to the roof, so without a ladder how is a driver supposed to check it, not only that but Elf and saftey would have somthing to say about it, and should a driver fall then what wh’s going to pay the bills ?
Also all those that get caught at calais by the body snatchers, ukba or the security who man the lanes with the dog(the only reliable method of clandestine detection) used at the port , As i know of a driver who had the heartbeat device used on his trl which didn’t detect any movement,(But the dog was able to smell them) So it’s probably a useless blag ,when they can be bothered to actually use it that is
You can always get it re sealed at the co2 or ukba with paper work stamped . I bet it will cause your boss and customer more problems with you turning up with a load of people in the back ■■■■■■■■ all over the load then the load being ruined and a big insurance claim for your boss to deal with .
Yes i’m well aware that the imigration services as they now call themselves will do that ,if they wish to open the trl and look inside, But the problem is by then the driver is going to be looking at a fine, and the load will already ■■■■■■ and crapped on by then depending how long they have been in their for ,
The point that i was making is that it sometimes not possible or safe for drivers to visually check inside the trl they are pulling, At the port upto the heartbeat shed or xray scanner run ny the french no fines if they are detected then, after that point it’s a fine, and the barstewards havent even entered their chosen land, but are soon released by the french authorities near the port or train terminal to have another try , why don’t the french deport them?
tommy t:
Checking your trailer i don’t have a problem with, but sometimes(the majority of times) you can’t open your doors and look inside it, because it will be sealed, by one of many types of seal, break that and you risk the load getting rejected (explain that to your boss) No only this but sometimes the trailer wil be stacked 2 plts high, leaving around 6-12inches of space to the roof, so without a ladder how is a driver supposed to check it, not only that but Elf and saftey would have somthing to say about it, and should a driver fall then what wh’s going to pay the bills ?
Also all those that get caught at calais by the body snatchers, ukba or the security who man the lanes with the dog(the only reliable method of clandestine detection) used at the port , As i know of a driver who had the heartbeat device used on his trl which didn’t detect any movement,(But the dog was able to smell them) So it’s probably a useless blag ,when they can be bothered to actually use it that is
You can always get it re sealed at the co2 or ukba with paper work stamped . I bet it will cause your boss and customer more problems with you turning up with a load of people in the back ■■■■■■■■ all over the load then the load being ruined and a big insurance claim for your boss to deal with .
Yes i’m well aware that the imigration services as they now call themselves will do that ,if they wish to open the trl and look inside, But the problem is by then the driver is going to be looking at a fine, and the load will already ■■■■■■ and crapped on by then depending how long they have been in their for ,
The point that i was making is that it sometimes not possible or safe for drivers to visually check inside the trl they are pulling, At the port upto the heartbeat shed or xray scanner run ny the french no fines if they are detected then, after that point it’s a fine, and the barstewards havent even entered their chosen land, but are soon released by the french authorities near the port or train terminal to have another try , why don’t the french deport them?
French cant deport them because they bin there passports so its not known where to deport the buggers to .If you cant see on top of your load try holding your phone up and take a pic of the top of the load .
No they don’t dispose of their ID documents until they land saftley in the uk , So the frogs could deport them, but they don’t simply because they don’t want to stay in france,and the frogs know this and have done nothing about it, hence the high number of them there now
AT LEAST PORT UKBA SHOULD TO PROVIDE PROPER CHECK PLACE AND MORE OF THEM INSTEAD BLAMING A DRIVER.
however there is few problems
1st. checking under roof - H&S ladder etc.
2nd. seal , who will pay the bill if load refused?
3rd. do i have really to fight with some (zb) at 3am b4 calais to make sure nobody in.
solution: (?) If the so called government cant provide proper control on its boarders then they should have to do it asap, as truly europe/eu cant stop the southern immigration any longer.
Especially UK has a better position in this matter, it’s an isle it must be easier to look for it. more scanners more staff, more police at calais and if they will find somebody just ship them back within 24 hours to the place they came from, -france
truckyboy:
Absolutely…if it involves truckers, they have to stop them protesting, but our Muslim brothers can do whatever they want,insults left right and centre against a country they hate and want to hurt.
U ■■■ why do you have to bring muslims into something totally non related you pea brain
So you start your post defending a religion with an insult relating to someone’s ■■■■■■■■■?
Well done mate you have just lost all credibility.
I don’t go over the water so you guy’s that do have my sympathy,but I don’t understand why the French are not dealing with this its france theyre in not the uk they should be sending the ■■■■■■■■■ back where they came from simple’s
samsgrandad:
I don’t go over the water so you guy’s that do have my sympathy,but I don’t understand why the French are not dealing with this its france theyre in not the uk they should be sending the [zb]'s back where they came from simple’s
Not so simple when you consider that the French don’t necessarily know where they did come from. But you are right, it is a French problem, or should be treated as such, but it is the Schengen agreement which is at the root of the problem. This has opened the internal borders of most of the continental EU countries. There are no checks so no way of stopping them entering France.
The real answer is stricter controls at the external borders, Greece and Italy for example, once they manage to get into those countries there is no stopping them till Calais.
If I was an HGV operator I would seriously consider switching from Calais to Dieppe. Any ferry cost difference would be somewhat offset by the less distance to cover on both sides of the Channel, certainly for vehicles coming from France, Spain and Portugal.
I have to declare an interest here, I always use Dieppe for many reasons and the rumour is that it may discontinue, so if loads of wagons start switching I may have to book earlier - but at least there may still be a ferry to book on.
I have already posted that I will join the blockade but don’t have a vehicle,when I drove overseas this problem didn’t exist ,it has to be a nightmare for drivers now,surley its the Frogs that must take the blame,all trucks should pass through a detector be put in a secure compound ,then brought out only to board the boat,if anyone gets into the trailer after that its not the drivers fault it might cause a bit of a delay ,but im sure all drivers would prefer this than a fine, there was a program just over the last week or two when the clandestines were climbing a 30ft fence which was camera secure and the security guys just watched ,sorry but what hope have the drivers got,I drove abroad for 25 years in the 70s 80s and part 90s when the bottom droped out of the transport ,after the wall came down in East Germany ,no more said about that ,Driving abroad was fun then ,apart from Border customs ,but it has to return,to the old days sod the going forward,bring back T Forms carnets german fuel tank control,permits and the like,good old days none of this B… Sh.t,I salute all Truckers who do the job now,you all need to see a quack and have your heads tested
Roger
jan_m:
yeah yeah block the docks, more f(zb)s will jump onto trailers, if you want to block something start with UKBA
More clandestines jumping on trailers in Dover and heading south would be a result, wouldn’t it?
I don’t think they’d be that daft though. I once parked on the beach in Calais on my way empty to Valenciennes. In the morning my padlock had been cut and the doors left open. Empty? They knew which way I was going, and it wasn’t north.
