If you are double manning a Truck , and its carrying Hazardous goods which require a license for transportation, do both drivers need an ADR license, or is 1 license holder sufficient??
Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROG 
ROG:
If you are double manning a Truck , and its carrying Hazardous goods which require a license for transportation, do both drivers need an ADR license, or is 1 license holder sufficient??
My understanding is, one ADR holder & one “competent person”
DieselDave will put us all right i’m sure 
ROG:
If you are double manning a Truck , and its carrying Hazardous goods which require a license for transportation, do both drivers need an ADR license, or is 1 license holder sufficient??
Hi ROG, It depends on whether both people are to drive the truck.
One ADR licence will never “cover” both people, if both are to drive.
2 drivers = 2 ADR licences.
If the second person isn’t needed for driving, then that person doesn’t need an ADR licence.
However, the non-driving second person would need:
- permission from the vehicle owner to be on board.
- documented ADR awareness training.
- Hi-viz
- a pocket lamp
- an acceptable form of photographic ID
- all PPE mentioned on the Instructions In Writing
This person might legitimately be an attendant or is required to assist the driver with loading or unloading.
For instance, you’ll notice that some gas companies have more than one person in a cab, particularly on an artic, because handballing a full load of gas cylinders is quite tiring.
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROG
Whistling 
Dave…how would the following situation work?-
You’re driving an 18 ton curtain sider carrying Haz-it breaks down, with all cargo intact, but you will need a front end lift and subsequent tow back to your depot.
Being in the passenger seat of the tow truck, surely one VTC will cover you & the tow truck driver? (as he may well not have a VTC) ? 
Hope that question doesn’t sound silly…
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROG
It’s a favourite trick of his, he’s tried it before re Driver’s Hours Regs. 
Coffeeholic:
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROGIt’s a favourite trick of his, he’s tried it before re Driver’s Hours Regs.
BUSTED
montana man:
Coffeeholic:
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROGIt’s a favourite trick of his, he’s tried it before re Driver’s Hours Regs.
BUSTED
GUILTY M’LUD
GlesgaBill:
Dave…how would the following situation work?-You’re driving an 18 ton curtain sider carrying Haz-it breaks down, with all cargo intact, but you will need a front end lift and subsequent tow back to your depot.
Being in the passenger seat of the tow truck, surely one VTC will cover you & the tow truck driver? (as he may well not have a VTC) ?
There is an exemption for the recovery of breakdowns / accidents, but the exemption relies on the recovery being escorted by the emergency services. Depending on what’s loaded on the vehicle, or if it’s a very short distance, the police might take the view that they’d prefer to ■■■■■■ it if there was a security issue. A recovery driver normally needs an ADR licence in order to recover ADR regulated vehicles. I’ve noticed an increase in recovery drivers on ADR courses over the last year.
Sorry GlesgaBill, but I can’t think of any possibility of one ADR licence (VTC) “covering” two people.
GlesgaBill:
Hope that question doesn’t sound silly…
It’s not a silly question at all mate, you asked it because you wondered…
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROG
Where shall I send the invoice
dieseldave:
montana man:
:shock: Wouldn’t be pilfering advice to answer a questions on another Trucking site eh ROG
Funnily enough…
…the place whose members DON’T like us
All understood, Dave…taking a note as we speak! 
(type)
Cheers
GlesgaBill:
My understanding is, one ADR holder & one “competent person”
Yes GlesgaBill, that would do nicely.
ADR uses the phrase “competent person” in connection with parking and supervision, if the vehicle is to be left parked otherwise than in a secure depot, supervised lorry park, MSA or suitable open space. Certain dangerous goods carried in certain amounts trigger the need for supervision. The supervision requirements vary, depending on the “S” code for a given substance in the dangerous goods list.
dieseldave:
GlesgaBill:
My understanding is, one ADR holder & one “competent person”Yes GlesgaBill, that would do nicely.
ADR uses the phrase “competent person” in connection with parking and supervision, if the vehicle is to be left parked otherwise than in a secure depot, supervised lorry park, MSA or suitable open space. Certain dangerous goods carried in certain amounts trigger the need for supervision. The supervision requirements vary, depending on the “S” code for a given substance in the dangerous goods list.
Cheers, Dave
I knew you would come up with the “goods”
ps…got my VTC through this morning for packages course…passed all classes (minus 1&7) :D:D
A wage rise beckons!
GlesgaBill:
Cheers, Dave
I knew you would come up with the “goods”ps…got my VTC through this morning for packages course…passed all classes (minus 1&7)
A wage rise beckons!
Congratulations GlesgaBill,
I had a feeling you’d pass 
Cheers, Dave…i enjoyed a quiet dozen Guinness or so last night to celebrate
GlesgaBill:
Cheers, Dave…i enjoyed a quiet dozen Guinness or so last night to celebrate
I think your arse will need ADR labels on it this morning.
Coffeeholic:
GlesgaBill:
Cheers, Dave…i enjoyed a quiet dozen Guinness or so last night to celebrate
Quite right Coffeeholic, as GlesgaBill now knows, some products have more than one hazard.
The two labels now required are:
AND 
GlesgaBill:
A wage rise beckons!
Here ya go
Will that be all Sir