I find this advert ironic because the advert is clearly aimed at the Wilkos drivers who have recently lost their jobs. Although the Wilko drivers where employed by GXO and around 14 drivers where able to transfer to the new B&Q warehouse at Blyth, some of the drivers are out of work, and despite DHL laying off drivers they are now advertising
Salary:38,638
Region:Worksop
Job Type/Function:Transport
Contract Type:Permanent
Total number of weekly/annual hours:42
DHL, award winning leading supply chain business is seeking a HGV Class 1 Drivers to play a vital role in our distribution service.
AVAILABLE SHIFTS AND SALARY:
4 on 4 off Days - £34,650
4 on 4 off Nights - £38,638
Any 5 from 7 Days - £34,650
Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638
The rates DHL are offering are £5K below what anywhere else locally is offering, but might be OK for anyone starting out or desperate to put food on the table
On another note the GXO trucks from Wilkos yard have just been moved to the B&Q yard up the road
I’m assuming as its DHL there is a drivers union on site ? If so thats a great advertisement for the so called strength of a union and what it can do for their members . Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
£38638 by 52 weeks =£743/ week and if thats top line ( because they all love to quote top line not what actually ends up in your bank ) minus 25% for tax and insurance leaves you with £557 a week . Even here in Northern Ireland the land that time forgot thats a pretty poor wage .
The so called benefits package had better include free parking on site and a free uniform .
Is this in the so called "Golden Triange " area I hear so many drivers on about ?
Tbh I don’t see many jobs offering much better rates than that round here myself.
I’d like to know where all these mega rates are people often talk about. Most other non hgv jobs you couldn’t dream of earning nearly 40k a year unless you are exceptionally well qualified in proper career sectors.
Advert says based on 42 hours a week as well, most jobs figures are based on 50 hours a week in the sector.
‘Deliveries’ and ‘Collections’ translates as class 1 multi drop.No nights out translates as local multi drop.Wages quoted as salary not hourly rate is also a can of worms.
As for unions my wages and terms and conditions and quality of work went from ok to bad to worse to abysmal under the TGWU.
To the point where a decent job and finish direct distance night trunking trailer swap job that I started in 1985 at around £200 per week averaging around 40 hours max.
Had turned into a 50 hour per week hub system grind, used as a warehouse labourer during the resulting transhipment ‘sort’, all for the sum of around £350 per week as of the mid to late 1990’s.
While now the industry has the elephant in the room of a rampant rail freight sector about to decimate it and what quality jobs might still be out there.
beefy4605:
. Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
I guess in principle if the 4o4o shifts are routinely the longer runs you could get to a position where the hours worked over a reference period are by and large the same which might justify the pay parity.
beefy4605:
I’m assuming as its DHL there is a drivers union on site ? If so thats a great advertisement for the so called strength of a union and what it can do for their members . Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
£38638 by 52 weeks =£743/ week and if thats top line ( because they all love to quote top line not what actually ends up in your bank ) minus 25% for tax and insurance leaves you with £557 a week . Even here in Northern Ireland the land that time forgot thats a pretty poor wage .
The so called benefits package had better include free parking on site and a free uniform .
Is this in the so called "Golden Triange " area I hear so many drivers on about ?
£38638 take home pay is £582.62 per week £2524.68 per month… thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
And as said above by another poster that is based on a 42 hour week so on that salary it is £17.70 per hour.
beefy4605:
. Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
I guess in principle if the 4o4o shifts are routinely the longer runs you could get to a position where the hours worked over a reference period are by and large the same which might justify the pay parity.
What are you both talking about?
42 hours is 42 hours! Doesn’t matter if it is 4/4 or 5/7. Just down to personal preference, one is not inherently better than the other.
beefy4605:
. Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
I guess in principle if the 4o4o shifts are routinely the longer runs you could get to a position where the hours worked over a reference period are by and large the same which might justify the pay parity.
What are you both talking about?
42 hours is 42 hours! Doesn’t matter if it is 4/4 or 5/7. Just down to personal preference, one is not inherently better than the other.
4 on 4 off means you are working only half the year so allows a much better work life balance especially for night workers. 182 days a year. As opposed to any 5 from 7 which means you work 260 days a year. So 4 on 4 off. For giving up working weekend when your rota falls to work is worth it for the same basic rate. So you end up working less days a year. And that’s probably without taking into account annual leave probably.
182 days a year minus 19 days holiday is 163 days worked a year.
260 days worked a year minus 28 days holiday is 232 days worked a year.
That is the crucial difference between 4 on 4 off and working 5 days a week. It’s a massive difference.
If all my maths is correct that is. Not my strongest subject by a long shot.
I know which I would take that basic for, 4 on 4 off as much as I don’t like working weekends. Then again I work Sunday night anyway as the start of the week on a 5 day contract so still lose one day of the weekend to work as it is.
I have ignored the shift lengths as typically 4 on 4 off is usually a 12 hour shift, but as we all know driving is a 10 to 15 hour shift generally in the majority of jobs regardless of whether you do 4 on 4off or 5 out of 7.
Add in company sick pay like DHL pay, and now if you know how to work the system you can work even less days a year like that. I know because some of the 4 on 4 off staff were regularly off sick just enough for it to not affect their Bradford score that would trigger investigations/disciplinary action if you worked it out just right.
Actually a waste of time the Bradford scale as less days off sick but more frequent than more days off sick less frequent gets you a higher score. So the more days you take off sick typically of your 4 on gets you a lower score than say 2 single days off sick if working 5 days a week.
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Ital Sped:
The demise of Wilkinson’s is due to the directors creaming off 50 million in a black hole of money.
The reason for any if not most companies to exist is to pay shareholders/directors massive figures, bonuses and or dividends. They don’t do it for love or for your benefit. It is only done for one reason and that reason is greed in any business. And to try and pay as little as possible in wages/overheads to staff etc.
As a comparison
Just around the corner at B&Q (GXO) the drivers are on at least £41K-£42K basic (48hrs) and the night men are on around £6K more + perks/full sick pay etc, and atm they are only working 6-8hrs a day. The drivers further up the road at Premier foods (OXO/Bisto) are on similar money.
That’s a good point, but after reviewing all the opinions from all the UK everyone is saying how friendly and decent their staff were, the other issue is their competition having out of town retail outlets with easy car access and the town centre Wilkinson’s were not so popular for drivers with car park charges and lugging big stuff from the shop to their cars.
They didn’t reduce their prices to match or beat the likes of B&M, Superdrug,Savers, Poundland,Poundstretcher and Home Bargains.
peirre:
As a comparison
Just around the corner at B&Q (GXO) the drivers are on at least £41K-£42K basic (48hrs) and the night men are on around £6K more + perks/full sick pay etc, and atm they are only working 6-8hrs a day. The drivers further up the road at Premier foods (OXO/Bisto) are on similar money.
With actual physical proof of that rather than just some advert stating as such? I find it hard to believe a company is paying nights 50k a year for doing 6 to 8 hours a night. 4 on 4 off or any 5 out of 7?
simcor:
Add in company sick pay like DHL pay, and now if you know how to work the system you can work even less days a year like that. I know because some of the 4 on 4 off staff were regularly off sick just enough for it to not affect their Bradford score that would trigger investigations/disciplinary action if you worked it out just right.
Actually a waste of time the Bradford scale as less days off sick but more frequent than more days off sick less frequent gets you a higher score. So the more days you take off sick typically of your 4 on gets you a lower score than say 2 single days off sick if working 5 days a week.
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Same at the NHS.
They can have 6 months off on full pay, and then go to half pay, but if it is one continuous sick period, they don’t put you on a disciplinary, but you go onto a stage 1, which is just basically a, “Are you alright?” If you have sporadic days off, you climb the escalation ladder but it is rare for anyone to get dismissed. They man manage your time back.
My wife is a team leader and has 2 people that milk the system and she would like to get rid of them tomorrow, but her hands are tied.
simcor:
Add in company sick pay like DHL pay, and now if you know how to work the system you can work even less days a year like that. I know because some of the 4 on 4 off staff were regularly off sick just enough for it to not affect their Bradford score that would trigger investigations/disciplinary action if you worked it out just right.
Actually a waste of time the Bradford scale as less days off sick but more frequent than more days off sick less frequent gets you a higher score. So the more days you take off sick typically of your 4 on gets you a lower score than say 2 single days off sick if working 5 days a week.
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Same at the NHS.
They can have 6 months off on full pay, and then go to half pay, but if it is one continuous sick period, they don’t put you on a disciplinary, but you go onto a stage 1, which is just basically a, “Are you alright?” If you have sporadic days off, you climb the escalation ladder but it is rare for anyone to get dismissed. They man manage your time back.
My wife is a team leader and has 2 people that milk the system and she would like to get rid of them tomorrow, but her hands are tied.
Yeah like I said lots of people worked the system to have as much sick time as possible. And like you say no matter how much the company would have liked to get rid generally they couldn’t and their hands were tied. Although some often did something else that the company could fire them for.
simcor:
With actual physical proof of that rather than just some advert stating as such? I find it hard to believe a company is paying nights 50k a year for doing 6 to 8 hours a night. 4 on 4 off or any 5 out of 7?
My limp is parked in their yard, with the occasional change to the Doncaster yard, so I know a lot of the people and what they earn.
Their contracts are 5/7 but they only work M-F on days with some of the night men split between M-F and S-T doing a mix of night trunks, or picking up between 2-4 cans a shift from Sheffield.
Like all non food retail companies B&Q are feeling the pressure as sales slow down, and the need for full load deliveries to stores has decreased, and the frequency of deliveries has decreased. Stores that where having full loads 5 days a week are now have 2-3 half loads
Carryfast:
‘Deliveries’ and ‘Collections’ translates as class 1 multi drop.No nights out translates as local multi drop.Wages quoted as salary not hourly rate is also a can of worms.
As for unions my wages and terms and conditions and quality of work went from ok to bad to worse to abysmal under the TGWU.
To the point where a decent job and finish direct distance night trunking trailer swap job that I started in 1985 at around £200 per week averaging around 40 hours max.
Had turned into a 50 hour per week hub system grind, used as a warehouse labourer during the resulting transhipment ‘sort’, all for the sum of around £350 per week as of the mid to late 1990’s.
While now the industry has the elephant in the room of a rampant rail freight sector about to decimate it and what quality jobs might still be out there.
Oh for gods sake give it a rest you f’ing bore. When you’ve actually managed to find a company both stupid and desperate enough to employ a workshy, lazy know it all such as yourself with a p#*s poor attitude to boot then come back and comment. Until then stop writing crap that you have no first hand experience of in the last 30 years.
