dieseldog999:
tachograph:
dieseldog999:
i cant be bothered looking it up,but when you are referring to those…lock over tensioners,are you meaning those things commonly referred to as …dwangs?He’s talking about these things, it could be bloody painful if it sprung back and hit you in the face
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As for dolly knots, I started on flat beds back in the 70s so couldn’t forget how to tie one even if I wanted to
so its a dwang then…
No, it called a dog leg…
windrush:
Fatboy slimslow:
Jawohl.yes I can rope and sheet!
dolly knot, double dolly, sheepshanko and splice my wn ropes together too.
[/quote]We had a driver on tippers at the quarry who always took time to splice the ropes on his sheet ties instead of just knotting them together in a rush like most of us, I once asked him why he did that and his reply was “Because I can” which rather put me in my place good and proper!
Pete.
Quite.
Is it just me, but who ever called a hitch a dolly knot? Back in the day, unlike now, you couldn’t just blag your way into a job on general haulage. You really had to pay your dues, and that meant knowing how to sheet a load up…any load, with any amount of sheets, and do that anywhere in any conditions. Sometimes having to handball the load on first. Veteran drivers did not need to earn respect, they got it, because younger drivers knew what it took to be classed as competent. Seniority did not come with a light bar and tasselled curtains back then.
It should still be a basic skill that any driver should know. As for knot tying not being relevant, a while back I done a RYA course, and the tutors party trick was to tie the required knots with his eyes closed…reason being that you may need to tie a boat up at night. I was the only student who could do it, thanks to it being in-grained by years of repetition. Also, recently had to transport a load of timber to the tip from the garden. No roof rack, but put short lengths of timber across the roof bars, piled the rest on top and lashed it with a few hitches and away to the tip, with more than a few glances from other drivers when there…but that might of been because there must of been half a ton of old wet decking timber on the roof of my poor volvo. 
I only had the one mishap with the dogs and chains. Same as most. Wet miserable day and me fingers slipped off the tube. Away it went and it seemed to be about ten minutes before I heard it land. The tension was unbearable.
Janos:
Is it just me, but who ever called a hitch a dolly knot? Back in the day, unlike now, you couldn’t just blag your way into a job on general haulage. You really had to pay your dues, and that meant knowing how to sheet a load up…any load, with any amount of sheets, and do that anywhere in any conditions. Sometimes having to handball the load on first. Veteran drivers did not need to earn respect, they got it, because younger drivers knew what it took to be classed as competent. Seniority did not come with a light bar and tasselled curtains back then.
It should still be a basic skill that any driver should know. As for knot tying not being relevant, a while back I done a RYA course, and the tutors party trick was to tie the required knots with his eyes closed…reason being that you may need to tie a boat up at night. I was the only student who could do it, thanks to it being in-grained by years of repetition. Also, recently had to transport a load of timber to the tip from the garden. No roof rack, but put short lengths of timber across the roof bars, piled the rest on top and lashed it with a few hitches and away to the tip, with more than a few glances from other drivers when there…but that might of been because there must of been half a ton of old wet decking timber on the roof of my poor volvo.
RYA equals haha, I had my Foreign Going Masters so had my minions did all the menial tasks for me, hardest job I did was putting the kettle on during the 8 to 12 watch, any of the ships arrival eta’s before 8 am and the ship was slowed down to make it later. Sod having to get up early to earn a crust. My present boss has an RYA endorsement and reckons he knows it all !!
simon1958:
groovemachine:
nick2008:
Did years of gen haul , I can do a full load old style any time rope @ sheet no prob.
Nothing better than seeing a lovely tidy rope an sheeted load rolling down the roadI’ve got to say (i’m a southerner) northeners always seemed to have the neatest loads, I could never get it perfect.
I’m lousy at wrapping presents too… ‘’ ( i’m a southerner ) ‘’ . You’re forgiven
Pfhhhh
Born in Bristol and still here so you’ve no excuse.
Not a proper trucker, can’t tie a dolly, never done roping and sheeting.
I asked my dad to show me a couple of times, but it didn’t sink in enough to remember it now
even though its all curtainsiders and fridges nowadays,wouldnt anyone that dont know how to tie it not think it might be prudent to know how to tie it in case you need to secure something at some point in your working life? even to put a restraint over the back 2 pallets if youve no straps,or tying your back doors open if youve wrecked them,or the curtains back when windy?..even taking stuff down to the skips ffs…id always have thought it would be something that would be part of any drivers job .show some initiative,do something for yourself instead of the brain dead newbie attitude of.il just call it in and let someone sort the problem for me?
ive no experience of tankers,car transporters,bulkers or tippers,if i took a job there,id wing it whilst asking and doing my hands on best,but how interested in your profession would you need to be not to know how to tie the most basic and popular knot in your profession.?
But I don’t have a rope!
Curtain sider, Inc with lifting roof, sliding roof
Tilts
Used every type of tail lift I’ve ever seen on the road
Hook loader
Tilt and slide recovery
Tankers, centrifugal pump, hydraulic lobe pump, blown, vacuum
Bulkers and tele handler cert to load myself
Bulk blowing
Containers
Fridges
Flats, including extenders around central London
Tripple lifting deck livestock
The fabled Eaton twin splitter
A better grasp of drivers hours than the average
But I just don’t feel like a proper trucker now!!
Fertilizer out of Immingham or Billingham…
I could roll out, tuck in and tie down a full shoot of one ton or half ton bags under a fly sheet in almost the same time as a curtainsider.
Mind you, I was young, fit and I could still see my knees when I looked down in those days…sigh.
first day i ever done it the whole thing was an unmitigated disaster, lucky to get out of the yard let alone 300 miles across the UK lol
stevieboy308:
But I don’t have a rope!Curtain sider, Inc with lifting roof, sliding roof
Tilts
Used every type of tail lift I’ve ever seen on the road
Hook loader
Tilt and slide recovery
Tankers, centrifugal pump, hydraulic lobe pump, blown, vacuum
Bulkers and tele handler cert to load myself
Bulk blowing
Containers
Fridges
Flats, including extenders around central London
Tripple lifting deck livestock
The fabled Eaton twin splitter
A better grasp of drivers hours than the averageBut I just don’t feel like a proper trucker now!!
highly impressive cv…almost as good as conors…your definately up there with the driving gods…id have thought running flats,tilts,slidebacks and speclifts etc,you might have had to tie a knot now and again?..but there you go…
dieseldog999:
stevieboy308:
But I don’t have a rope!Curtain sider, Inc with lifting roof, sliding roof
Tilts
Used every type of tail lift I’ve ever seen on the road
Hook loader
Tilt and slide recovery
Tankers, centrifugal pump, hydraulic lobe pump, blown, vacuum
Bulkers and tele handler cert to load myself
Bulk blowing
Containers
Fridges
Flats, including extenders around central London
Tripple lifting deck livestock
The fabled Eaton twin splitter
A better grasp of drivers hours than the averageBut I just don’t feel like a proper trucker now!!
highly impressive cv…almost as good as conors…your definately up there with the driving gods…id have thought running flats,tilts,slidebacks and speclifts etc,you might have had to tie a knot now and again?..but there you go…
I also forgot
A frames and Demountable bodies!
But even so, straps and chains has surficed
I’ll never catch Connor up, I realise that though!!
Could probably manage if I was pushed lol [emoji13]
its an art form in itself…i just find it hard to comprehend that someone employed as a truckie in whatever form of employment cant tie a dolly as a matter of course.
ive used it countless times not connected to the job in respect of boats,going to the dump,and just general usage now and again.just seems kinda sad,and yet another example of lowering of standards to the industry in general. 
Not everyting loads well in a curtainsider, or a fridge box. So flatbeds are a necessary evil. roping & sheeting will still be in there.
None taken about statement ‘whoosh’ Had Paddys flying past me many a time on the A55 @ 75 mph + heading for Holyhead. ( over weight & over hours 
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Now don’t forget your fishing line and magnet.
well the original question was…if you cant tie a dolly,own up…but even without carryfasts hijacking attempts,theres only beed about 2 answers in 3 pages…irrespective of what aspect of the truck industry your in,id have thought anyone involved would just know how to tie one.old,or newbie…and its a wire,not a fishing line, 
Yes I can tie one, but as yet never even had a rope…
dieseldog999:
well the original question was…if you cant tie a dolly,own up…but even without carryfasts hijacking attempts,theres only beed about 2 answers in 3 pages…irrespective of what aspect of the truck industry your in,id have thought anyone involved would just know how to tie one.old,or newbie…and its a wire,not a fishing line,
Ah b*****s. New technique then 
Evil8Beezle:
Yes I can tie one, but as yet never even had a rope…
Would’nt have to in Southampton. I thought all containers round
xichrisxi:
Which RDC did you hear this in■■?
Next time you’re on the road count how many hgvs you see that facilitate roping and sheeting I bet it’s less than 5% if hgvs on the road.
as couple others said its part of the initial cpc, module 4, which new drivers have to pass to receive their license, relevant bit:
10.03: General competence
The object of the test is to ensure that the candidate has a sound knowledge of the test subject areas and can show this in a practical way. Examiners should remember that many candidates will be more nervous during the test than when practising with their instructor or with a friend. A pleasant outgoing approach, not only in the waiting room and on the way to the vehicle, but throughout the test is particularly important to help candidates to relax.Emphasis must be on the candidate demonstrating their ability to answer the questions. For example: the candidate will be expected to make a physical check of certain equipment fitted to the vehicle, rather than tell you where it is and how to operate it.
For LGV tests only, a piece of equipment will be required. This is the load demonstration securing trolley (LSDT). This will be used by candidates to demonstrate their ability to secure and un-secure loads using the equipment provided which includes the use of rope, chain, a webbing strap and a load tensioning bar.
It’s probably the best part of the whole cpc as it forces some drivers who may never have touched a lorry before to familiarise themselves with real world stuff, not just theory that goes in one ear out the other in a class room.
