Our company, for some reason unknown to me, calculates our working hours for the WTD like this:
Time clocked in till time clocked out minus 30 mins for break.
All other breaks are counted towards our WTD total.
I guess most companies work it out by actually following the rules!!
I’d hazard a guess that the reason that they calculate it that way is because they have little or no grasp of the WTD.
You didn’t say whether you’re salaried or hourly paid? If salaried I’d say let them carry on this way.
kevin0410:
I guess most companies work it out by actually following the rules!!
Yes that’s what ours do, how can you calculate it from the time you clock in ? some drivers will come into work half hour early and have a coffee and chill before work so that’s hardly work time.
Only thing i have owt to do with wtd is the 6hr break rule ,thats it 
the maoster:
I’d hazard a guess that the reason that they calculate it that way is because they have little or no grasp of the WTD.You didn’t say whether you’re salaried or hourly paid? If salaried I’d say let them carry on this way.
We’re hourly paid and get paid as per how I stated they work out our hours for the WTD.
seth 70:
Only thing i have owt to do with wtd is the 6hr break rule ,thats it
What about the average 48 hour/week rule?
bald bloke:
kevin0410:
I guess most companies work it out by actually following the rules!!Yes that’s what ours do, how can you calculate it from the time you clock in ? some drivers will come into work half hour early and have a coffee and chill before work so that’s hardly work time.
Yep, I agree. Also, how can you count some of the break taken as working time?!!
bald bloke:
Yes that’s what ours do, how can you calculate it from the time you clock in ? some drivers will come into work half hour early and have a coffee and chill before work so that’s hardly work time.
Ours do. You clock in and then when you put your card in a vehicle, you do a manual entry to cover the time between clocking in, also the time between taking your card out and clocking out the last day. Our tacho records have to correspond with our clocking in records.
If people are showing up for work half an hour early to have a brew, why are they clocking in & getting paid for it? Surely, you clock in when you start work.
rob22888:
If people are showing up for work half an hour early to have a brew, why are they clocking in & getting paid for it? Surely, you clock in when you start work.
Why not of you’re getting paid for it?
probably early starters so clock in
pre 0500 to become night workers
Pimpdaddy:
rob22888:
If people are showing up for work half an hour early to have a brew, why are they clocking in & getting paid for it? Surely, you clock in when you start work.Why not of you’re getting paid for it?
Why not indeed, i’d be with them if I could be got away with it. Not sure it’s a legitimate reason for a firm not to use clocked hours for WTD though.
kevin0410:
Our company, for some reason unknown to me, calculates our working hours for the WTD like this:Time clocked in till time clocked out minus 30 mins for break.
All other breaks are counted towards our WTD total.I guess most companies work it out by actually following the rules!!
Breaks still count towards the max 15 hour day. I’d suggest that “time clocked in to time clocked out” therefore should not exceed 15 hours.
If the breaks didn’t count, you could legally do say, a 15:45 shift, have 45m deducted for the break - and then get into trouble for having less than 9 hours daily rest for starting the shift at the same time tomorrow!
The breaks & POA DO count therefore.
DOWN with the firms who are only trying it on to get extra unpaid hours at work out of their staff. We should all be boycotting such outfits, to work for the newly minted pay rises elsewhere in the industry by this point.
10-12 hour shifts, 4 days a week - for a full week’s wage - is what is required, needed, and perhaps soon to be demanded everywhere as well. 
kevin0410:
Our company, for some reason unknown to me, calculates our working hours for the WTD like this:Time clocked in till time clocked out minus 30 mins for break.
All other breaks are counted towards our WTD total.I guess most companies work it out by actually following the rules!!
They are following the rules for non-mobile workers. I guess they’ve just decided its easier to implement this for everyone.
Yes, not at all.